Board 8 > Save My Favorite Final Fantasy Characters XXVII: Day 98 (RULE CHANGE) [smfffc]

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mnk
07/19/25 5:58:29 PM
#201:


Chaeix posted...
lightning deserves a light kneeing

dohohohohoho
no

no dohoho to this one

only shame

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Chaeix
07/19/25 5:58:53 PM
#202:


mnk posted...
no

no dohoho to this one

only shame
mission accomplished

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GenesisSaga
07/19/25 5:58:55 PM
#203:


swordz9 posted...
Worst finalists imo were:

Cecil, Terra, Edward and Reno

You'd better hope Sabin wins then, because I've got some bad news for you in regards to who's eligible for CXXVIII and already getting Discord buzz for a potential push.

Surely two VIs can't make a final back to back right? When's the last time that happened? Where's the SEETHING? I saw traces of it all contest, and yet here we are.

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Leonhart4
07/19/25 5:58:56 PM
#204:


JC tried to make a joke but then he took a light kneeing

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mnk
07/19/25 5:59:27 PM
#205:


Leonhart4 posted...
JC tried to make a joke but then he took a light kneeing

oh no I chuckled :(

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Robazoid
07/19/25 5:59:46 PM
#206:


GenesisSaga posted...
You'd better hope Sabin wins then, because I've got some bad news for you in regards to who's eligible for CXXVIII and already getting Discord buzz for a potential push.
If there is buzz for Terra's Revenge other than me, people need to speak up because I'm already getting disheartened and considering Lunafreya. I haven't seen even one other person say they'd join a Terra run

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MartinFF7
07/19/25 5:59:57 PM
#207:


Leon we need a rankdown of 3rd place characters next

start at XX Kefka and work your way down from there

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Leonhart4
07/19/25 6:00:28 PM
#208:


Yes let's support this potentially made up character if it keeps Terra from making a redemption run

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Maniac64
07/19/25 6:00:59 PM
#209:


Leonhart4 posted...
Stand strong, stand together
*remembers seeing the messed up materia on everyone*

Never forgive, never forget

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Lopen
07/19/25 6:03:25 PM
#211:


She's a bad character. I've gone into why many times and I think people are tired of reading it.

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SaveEstelle
07/19/25 6:03:33 PM
#212:


Largely unsorted within the tiers themselves.

Dream of the Fayth Tier

Cloud > Rydia
Ramza > Aerith
Cloud > Laguna
Balthier > Zidane
Barret > Aerith

A 2000 Gil Job Tier
Vivi > Rydia
Zidane > Ashe
Vivi > Locke
Celes > Kuja
Auron > Sabin
Edgar > Tifa
Squall > Delita
Gilgamesh > Vivi
Tidus > Kefka
Zell > Yuffie
Cecil > Zidane
Kefka > Aerith
Sabin/Dagger

Whatever Tier

Lulu > Auron
Kuja > Terra
Steiner > Lightning
Reno > Kuja
Marche > Lightning

Youch, Seafood Soup Tier

Zack > Squall
Vanille > Locke
Lightning > Edward
Fang > Cid P

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Leonhart4
07/19/25 6:03:53 PM
#213:


Lopen posted...
She's a bad character. I've gone into why many times and I think people are tired of reading it.

What is love, I am boring

I will always remember that writeup

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Lopen
07/19/25 6:27:07 PM
#215:


I don't really feel like rewriting a rant but I can just bring back the old write-up I did back in... 2013? Wow. Time flies.

115. Terra Branford (Final Fantasy 6)
http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/terra-dissidia_27853.jpg <- This no longer exists-- it was a picture of Terra in a shocker.
What is love? I am boring. - Terra (paraphrased)

The quote really says all you need to know. Without a doubt, the most bland lead in the series, Terra.

Game starts and she's like who am I. Unfortunately, unlike Cloud, she really fails to take any sort of initiative whatsoever. She is constantly led throughout the game, and used. Kefka does so early, but I never really got the feeling that Terra really wanted to help the Returners much either. She was sorta just like well okay this guy who helped me out before likes you guys so I can help. Then she goes insane and disappears for a while, only to come back and be used by the (now peace seeking!) empire again.

In the World of Ruin... she uh... decides to act like a mother to a bunch of children? Well uhh cool character development there. It's nice to protect kids, but I get the feeling that she's not actually doing anything that important. The older kids could've managed what she was doing. Also how the heck did she even provide for everyone. And if she was able to provide for everyone, why were they still in those bunk ruins of a town, eh?

The one active action she takes in the game? Harassing General Leo about what love is, which was fairly gagworthy anyway. I'm pretty sure every other thing she did was set in motion by some other character or organization. Now, I wouldn't mind this much, but seeing as she's bland as a brick, is arguably the main character, and certainly has the power within her to make changes happen. So it's just a bit frustrating for this brick to be a focal point of the game.

Oh, she's also annoying as hell to fight in Dissidia. Damn tornado attack.

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Suprak_the_Stud
07/19/25 7:32:29 PM
#216:


Damn I didn't realize Seymour was 2nd in lefty era. I legit thought he was a fun plucky underdog this year. Shame on me for not paying better attention I guess.

gg Seymour/FFX squad.

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TheCapisBack
07/19/25 7:47:04 PM
#217:


Suprak_the_Stud posted...
Damn I didn't realize Seymour was 2nd in lefty era. I legit thought he was a fun plucky underdog this year. Shame on me for not paying better attention I guess.

gg Seymour/FFX squad.

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Leonhart4
07/19/25 7:53:56 PM
#218:


The pluckiest underdog since Squall

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LiquidOshawott
07/19/25 8:02:11 PM
#219:


Quinton very sneaky making Cloud a two time champ

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Leonhart4
07/19/25 8:02:54 PM
#220:


LiquidOshawott posted...
Quinton very sneaky making Cloud a two time champ

It's okay I did the same thing for Auron before I caught it

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Bane_Of_Despair
07/19/25 8:03:44 PM
#221:


Auron would be a great two time champ, almost on par with Vivi

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LeonhartFour
07/19/25 10:10:04 PM
#222:


MartinFF7 posted...
Leon we need a rankdown of 3rd place characters next

start at XX Kefka and work your way down from there

....maybe some day in the future

Ask and you shall receive

Laguna > Auron > Zidane > Locke > Vivi > Rikku > Kuja > Aerith > Dagger > Sephiroth > Torgal > Edgar > Agrias > Rydia > Selphie > Freya > Terra > Faris > Kefka > Cecil > Seymour > Doomtrain > Minwu > Ultros

Number of times the third place character was the best character in the final three: 3

Also just realized we came close to getting Sabin/Dagger in CIX since she finished third that year.

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MartinFF7
07/20/25 2:59:56 AM
#223:


Oh I meant ranking insofar as an objective assessment of the 3rd place finisher in the context of the contest - which would also necessitate having duplicates e.g. separate IX Dagger and XXII Dagger - but this works too...

the seething Doomtrain ranking... potential repeat champs ranked 2nd, 3rd and 5th, wow... and poor Ultros...

and I never made the Sabin/Dagger connection before that either, that's crazy. Terra and Palom 4th and 5th that year... yikes.

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Leonhart4
07/20/25 3:14:26 AM
#224:


I like Doomtrain, but it's a GF. I'm not putting it above characters I like (but if it wants to be part of Big Zaddy Summer, it is welcome). Ultros sucks though, so yeah.

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MZero
07/20/25 7:37:40 AM
#225:


Fantastic Tier
Auron > Sabin
Vivi > Locke
Tidus > Kefka

Upper Tier
Cloud > Laguna
Zidane > Ashe
Zack > Squall
Rydia > Cloud
Vivi > Rydia
Gilgamesh > Vivi
Cecil > Zidane
Balthier > Zidane

Could Have Been Better Tier
Zell > Yuffie
Vanille > Locke
Sabin/Dagger
Lulu > Auron
Celes > Kuja
Edgar > Tifa
Squall > Delita
Ramza > Aerith
Barret > Aerith
Kefka > Aerith
Marche > Lightning

Kill Me Now Tier
Kuja > Terra
Steiner > Lightning
Reno > Kuja
Lightning > Edward
Fang > Cid P

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andylt
07/20/25 9:13:07 AM
#226:


OK I calculated my official finals rankings by combining the scores I gave each character in Ifrit's ranking topic. No weight placed on who won.

Auron > Sabin (18)
Steiner > Lightning (18)
Gilgamesh > Vivi (23)
Vivi > Locke (25)
Vivi > Rydia (29)
Vanille > Locke (30)
Ramza > Aeris (30)

Lulu > Auron (41)
Sabin/Dagger (46)
Zidane > Ashe (48)
Squall > Delita (51)
Cecil > Zidane (53)
Lightning > Edward (60)
Rydia > Cloud (65)
Fang > Cid P (69)

Celes > Kuja (84)
Barret > Aeris (89)
Edgar > Tifa (94)
Kuja > Terra (110)
Zack > Squall (114)
Cloud > Laguna (117)

Tidus > Kefka (124)
Kefka > Aeris (137)
Zell > Yuffie (140)
Balthier > Zidane (149)
Reno > Kuja (155)

...Kefka really tanks the scores there huh >_>

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Lopen
07/20/25 9:39:17 AM
#227:


TheCapisBack posted...
Nah despite the constant whining hes got the most consistent push this side of Cecil and Layle

So to be clear are you implying Layle has a realistic chance to win the contest

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Leonhart4
07/20/25 9:41:17 AM
#228:


Layle's push has been consistent

In the sense that it almost always ends in the 30s

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LiquidOshawott
07/20/25 9:54:54 AM
#229:


Yeah theres a reason why the only two characters to stay above Layle every year are Cecil and Seymour

that said it might not happen if Charon is done (wondering if thats the case if he closed his account)

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Chaeix
07/20/25 10:12:22 AM
#230:


Sabin 10

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Chaeix
07/20/25 10:12:59 AM
#231:


oops

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FFDragon
07/20/25 10:14:55 AM
#232:


andylt posted...
OK I calculated my official finals rankings by combining the scores I gave each character in Ifrit's ranking topic. No weight placed on who won.

This will be a (not) fun game, considering we very rarely get a double banger. Also no weight on winner, straight numbers from the list

Zack > Squall (34)
Kefka > Aeris (34)
Zell > Yuffie (35)
Squall > Delita (37)

Vanille > Locke (58)
Ramza > Aeris (62)
Barret > Aeris (91)

Sabin/Dagger (109)
Rydia > Cloud (128)
Cloud > Laguna (160)
Marche > Lightning (162)
Tidus > Kefka (166)
Zidane > Ashe (166)
Auron > Sabin (188)
Gilgamesh > Vivi (193)

Fang > Cid P (202)
Vivi > Locke (206)
Vivi > Rydia (209)
Celes > Kuja (210)
Edgar > Tifa (211)
Lightning > Edward (246)
Reno > Kuja (251)
Lulu > Auron (268)
Balthier > Zidane (280)
Steiner > Lightning (285)
Cecil > Zidane (290)
Kuja > Terra (294)

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Lopen
07/20/25 10:15:14 AM
#233:


I'm saying talk about Seymour being an underdog was never about stats. It was about whether he could actually win the whole thing. Bringing up Layle in the same breath should make it obvious that stats don't necessarily mean you have any chance to win the whole thing.

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Suprak_the_Stud
07/20/25 10:15:38 AM
#234:


Let the record show that Andy hates the final where Tidus beat Kefka so we need to make sure Tidus never makes it back to the finals again for his sake.

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FFDragon
07/20/25 10:16:33 AM
#235:


LiquidOshawott posted...
that said it might not happen if Charon is done (wondering if thats the case if he closed his account)

"oh"

shelke dream very dead then

Leon looks like we're a go for Armageddon fist slash zaddy summer next year then

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FFDragon
07/20/25 10:17:46 AM
#236:


Lopen posted...
I'm saying talk about Seymour being an underdog was never about stats. It was about whether he could actually win the whole thing. Bringing up Layle in the same breath should make it obvious that stats don't necessarily mean you have any chance to win the whole thing.

Also that STATS were created as a consolation prize when the creator thought their character would never win and wanted to hang their hat on something.

it's me. I'm the creator

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LeonhartFour
07/20/25 10:19:26 AM
#237:


Lopen posted...
I'm saying talk about Seymour being an underdog was never about stats. It was about whether he could actually win the whole thing. Bringing up Layle in the same breath should make it obvious that stats don't necessarily mean you have any chance to win the whole thing.

When you've got STATS in the high 80s and you have multiple top 5 finishes, you can win. Seymour is an underdog in the sense that he's not the type of character who ordinarily wins, and he's probably like the 6th or 7th most popular FFX character overall. But in terms of performance over the last 7 years, he's been only bested by one person in terms of consistency (and you can guess who that is).

Layle's STATS are just under 70% so this isn't quite the same thing.

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LeonhartFour
07/20/25 10:19:45 AM
#238:


FFDragon posted...
"oh"

shelke dream very dead then

Leon looks like we're a go for Armageddon fist slash zaddy summer next year then

heck yeah let's do it

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MZero
07/20/25 10:21:10 AM
#239:


andylt posted...
Zidane > Ashe (48)
Balthier > Zidane (149)

I never knew you hated Balthier so much
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LeonhartFour
07/20/25 10:21:57 AM
#240:


andy's been pretty open about hating Balthier actually

mostly because of Revenant Wings from what I recall but still

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LiquidOshawott
07/20/25 10:23:16 AM
#241:


My opinion of Balthier regressed somewhat on the zodiac play through

some of those one liners came across pretty corny

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Leonhart4
07/20/25 10:24:04 AM
#242:


They're supposed to be corny though

It's what a leading man does

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andylt
07/20/25 11:04:51 AM
#243:


MZero posted...
I never knew you hated Balthier so much
Yeah Leon's right, I was never big on him but he pissed me off in Revenant Wings to no end, withholding vital information for no reason and making snarky remarks that came off outright mean most of the time. Fran sucked too, but the game did improve my opinion on Vaan and Penelo.

FFDragon posted...
Zidane > Ashe (166)
Balthier > Zidane (280)
hey i'm not the only one

Suprak_the_Stud posted...
Let the record show that Andy hates the final where Tidus beat Kefka so we need to make sure Tidus never makes it back to the finals again for his sake.
Yeah maybe it wasn't the best idea to weigh each of the two equally there >_>

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MZero
07/20/25 11:06:10 AM
#244:


wait people actually played Revenant Wings?
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andylt
07/20/25 11:08:23 AM
#245:


As of August 2008, Revenant Wings has sold 1.04 million units worldwide,

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Leonhart4
07/20/25 11:30:40 AM
#247:


andylt posted...
hey i'm not the only one

I'm guessing there's probably a healthy dose of Zidane hate there for FFD too

UltimaterializerX posted...
I dont save stats but Im guessing Squall?

Aerith is #1 in LeftySTATS

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SaveEstelle
07/20/25 11:34:24 AM
#248:


Yeah, Revenant Wings was hardly a tremendous sales success, but people did, in fact, play it.

Its decent!

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pjbasis
07/20/25 11:45:08 AM
#249:


I'm gonna play it after I finish XIII-2

more Vaan fuel


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Bane_Of_Despair
07/20/25 11:49:22 AM
#250:


Don't bring Vaan back in and take away the only notable thing he has to himself

It's better to be a bottom 10 than some middling low in-between number

Unless we're bringing him back in to get another hardboot, that would be fine

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