Current Events > Trump goes to social media saying he just bombed 3 Iranian nuclear sites

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And now Iran has said every American is a target.

It's a shame the bullet missed...this sucks.

008Zulu posted...

And now Iran has said every American is a target.

How is this different from the last 50 years?

St0rmFury posted...

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No sympathy for the stupid.

lilhurk1985187 posted...

No sympathy for the stupid.

Plus, despite that tweet I guarantee that person is still deep in the maga cult and makes that their entire personality.

008Zulu posted...

And now Iran has said every American is a target.

Last thing Iran wants is boots on the ground.

chaos_knight posted...

Last thing Iran wants is boots on the ground.

Thinking there's not gonna be escalation here is delusional. It would be utterly pathetic not to retaliate, and dictatorial regimes can't afford looking weak.

SecretBase posted...

Thinking there's not gonna be escalation here is delusional. It would be utterly pathetic not to retaliate, and dictatorial regimes can't afford looking weak.

I know, but if Iran does anything major, it's a full on invasion

ssjevot posted...

This is kind of hard to take seriously because congress hasn't declared war since WWII. The US has slowly ceded all authority to the executive and Trump is just finally testing the limits of that.

Congress authorized the Gulf and Afghanistan wars. Trump started this one behind everyone's back.

Every general and officer who carried out these unconstitutional orders should be held just as accountable.

MarshMellow posted...

Congress authorized the Gulf and Afghanistan wars. Trump started this one behind everyone's back.

Every general and officer who carried out these unconstitutional orders should be held just as accountable.

Did Congress vote to bomb Libya? How about send troops to Syria? Did Obama do those things? Did Congress authorize all the drone strikes in countries we weren't at war with? How about the American citizen? How about his son?

Honestly this entire thing is making me dislike Democrats more than I already did, because it's reminding of how they're just the less bad right wing party.

ssjevot posted...

Did Congress vote to bomb Libya? How about send troops to Syria? Did Obama do those things? Did Congress authorize all the drone strikes in countries we weren't at war with? How about the American citizen? How about his son?

Honestly this entire thing is making me dislike Democrats more than I already did, because it's reminding of how they're just the less bad right wing party.

No doubt some of those things are still controversial. But to say congress hasn't authorized a war since WWII is false.

In this case the use of military force is based on the imagination of a psycho who watches too much Fox News since top US officials have said Iran has no nuclear weapons.

MarshMellow posted...

No doubt some of those things are still controversial. But to say congress hasn't authorized a war since WWII is false.

In this case the use of military force is based on pure speculation from a psycho since top US officials have said Iran has no nuclear weapons.

Congress has not authorized a war since WWII. There are occasionally authorizations for vague actions, but they have not declared war. They have allowed the president to act unilaterally on bombing other countries and it happened repeatedly.

Look I voted for Kamala, I think Trump is uniquely bad, far worse than any other American president in my life, and yet Obama was a war criminal and Democrats routinely support this type of shit. This isn't unprecedented at all.

ssjevot posted...

Congress has not authorized a war since WWII. There are occasionally authorizations for vague actions, but they have not declared war. They have allowed the president to act unilaterally on bombing other countries and it happened repeatedly.

Look I voted for Kamala, I think Trump is uniquely bad, far worse than any other American president in my life, and yet Obama was a war criminal and Democrats routinely support this type of shit. This isn't unprecedented at all.

Yet they've authorized actions that would 100% put us at war, so what's the difference aside from terminology?

Regardless of all the "But *insert former president's name here*, Trump's putting us in the middle of something with no justification. There's no justification for the use of US military force in Iran.

Russia does the same. Like 'special military operation'. Everyone is too scared to just call it what it is.

MarshMellow posted...

Yet they've authorized actions that would 100% put us at war, so what's the difference aside from terminology?

Regardless of all the "But *insert former president's name here*, Trump's putting us in the middle of something with no justification. There's no justification for the use of US military force in Iran.

I agree. I am saying that this isn't unprecedented and then people who totally always opposed this stuff start making excuses for why it was fine before. This isn't new and I am sure most of the people who are totally against this here would be totally for it if Kamala was the one doing it. And likely she would have done it. Because this is what Democrats have historically done and we have no reason to believe they wouldn't here. There's a denial about what is wrong with America if you pretend this was a uniquely bad action by Trump.

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St0rmFury posted...

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I'm never going to forgive these fucking morons

ssjevot posted...

Congress has not authorized a war since WWII. There are occasionally authorizations for vague actions, but they have not declared war. They have allowed the president to act unilaterally on bombing other countries and it happened repeatedly.

Look I voted for Kamala, I think Trump is uniquely bad, far worse than any other American president in my life, and yet Obama was a war criminal and Democrats routinely support this type of shit. This isn't unprecedented at all.

lol ok jan

ConfusedTorchic posted...

lol ok jan

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/can-president-attack-another-country-without-congress

And it is that leeway that presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and now Trump have used to their advantage. Following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, Congress gave Bush authority to attack any countries or groups involved in the attacks, which was generally accepted to mean al-Qaida. Obama used that same authority to fight the Islamic State militant group, which emerged in 2014 as an outgrowth of al-Qaida. Trump has used that same authority to continue military action in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
The Obama administration maintained in 2011 that U.S. involvement in the months-long air campaign against Libya didnt require congressional permission because American forces were largely playing a supporting role as part of an international coalition.
In February 2015, Obama asked Congress to formally authorize war against the Islamic State, saying the militant group could threaten the U.S. homeland if left unchecked. His resolution would have limited authorization to three years, with no geographic restrictions for U.S. forces. It would have banned enduring offensive combat operations, an ambiguous term that attempted to define a middle ground between Democrats leery of another protracted Middle Eastern conflict involving ground troops, and Republicans, who largely believe the U.S. needs maximum flexibility to pursue IS.
Congress held a few hearings, but never acted on the proposal.

tremain07 posted...

I'm never going to forgive these fucking morons

How anyone thought that unstable, fickle dipshit ever had the capacity or integrity to stick to a promise made out of principle is willful self deceipt and their votes for him are an act of complete betrayal.

No forgiveness, ever.

ssjevot posted...

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/can-president-attack-another-country-without-congress

And it is that leeway that presidents George W. Bush, Barack Obama and now Trump have used to their advantage. Following the Sept. 11 attacks in 2001, Congress gave Bush authority to attack any countries or groups involved in the attacks, which was generally accepted to mean al-Qaida. Obama used that same authority to fight the Islamic State militant group, which emerged in 2014 as an outgrowth of al-Qaida. Trump has used that same authority to continue military action in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria.
The Obama administration maintained in 2011 that U.S. involvement in the months-long air campaign against Libya didnt require congressional permission because American forces were largely playing a supporting role as part of an international coalition.
In February 2015, Obama asked Congress to formally authorize war against the Islamic State, saying the militant group could threaten the U.S. homeland if left unchecked. His resolution would have limited authorization to three years, with no geographic restrictions for U.S. forces. It would have banned enduring offensive combat operations, an ambiguous term that attempted to define a middle ground between Democrats leery of another protracted Middle Eastern conflict involving ground troops, and Republicans, who largely believe the U.S. needs maximum flexibility to pursue IS.
Congress held a few hearings, but never acted on the proposal.

uh huh uh huh keep tryin

Right on queue the usuals are spinning to both sides something Trump decided to do.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

uh huh uh huh keep tryin

Unreal.

asdf8562 posted...

Right on queue the usuals are spinning to both sides something Trump decided to do.

Maybe Dems should stop being war criminals then. I'm embarrassed having to ally with such spineless people that can't even admit their own people did this same shit. Either own it or condemn it. Stop being a both sides apologist if you don't want to be accused of it.

lol

https://twitter.com/meredithllee/status/1936625470432592072

ssjevot posted...

Maybe Dems should stop being war criminals then. I'm embarrassed having to ally with such spineless people that can't even admit their own people did this same s***. Either own it or condemn it. Stop being a both sides apologist if you don't want to be accused of it.

Case in point.

It doesnt matter what Trump does, somehow someway you tend to spin the conversation to, "well how can I shift the conversation away from Trump.... and shift some of that blame at Democrats to 'both sides bad' something MAGA or Trump did.

The strategy is to always find a way to shift the conversion away from MAGA/Trump/Republican actions. 59 Republicans and 1 Democrats could vote to send minorities to concentration camps. Right on queue you would swoop into a conversation shaming Republicans for passing such a bill to both sides the conversation as if 40 Democrats voted for this.

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ssjevot posted...

Unreal

your delusion and attempt at whataboutism really are, but fortunately they have as much substance as wet toilet paper behind them

asdf8562 posted...

Case in point.

It doesnt matter what Trump does, somehow someway you tend to spin the conversation to, "well how can I shift the conversation away from Trump.... and shift some of that blame at Democrats to 'both sides bad' something MAGA or Trump did.

I'm not the one who claimed this was unprecedented. Lying about it is pathetic. Dems have been a weak ineffective joke in stopping Trump and now I have to play memory hole on this because they'll be able to impeach Trump now? Not all the shit before now that was actually unprecedented that they didn't do shit to stop, this is it, this is the moment?

Get real. I'm not throwing my dignity away for this. I voted for Kamala, I don't regret it, I think she would be infinitely better than Trump, but I am under no illusions that Dems don't do the exact same shit. You can literally read that PBS article, which by the way is from 2017, the last time Trump did an unapproved bombing (which he wasn't impeached for).

ConfusedTorchic posted...

your delusion and attempt at whataboutism really are, but fortunately they have as much substance as wet toilet paper behind them

I linked to a PBS article published in 2017 when Trump bombed a country without congressional approval, which you can see was justified by pointing to the other times other presidents bombed countries without approval. Now here we are again.

ssjevot posted...

I voted for Kamala

This is useless claim. Especially if one has a tendency to both sides anything Republicans do on a constant basis.

Anything Trump and MAGA has done, even when simple math shows Republicans are to blame, you spin the conversation to blaming Democrats for something Republicans voted for. That or you pivot the conversation to attempting to drum up ire towards Democrats. Again, when its something Trump or MAGA did, not Democrats.

Trump decided to drop bombs on Iran, not Democrats. But right on queue there's a desperate need to shift the conversation to, "how can we get people to shift some of that disgust to a party that didnt actually drop the bombs, and dont have the power to actually stop him."

Anything to 'both sides' something MAGA did. Capping it off with, "I voted for Kamala" says little.

kaiolino posted...

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Sorry, Chuck, your letter isn't quite stern enough to rouse the GOP to stand against Dear Leader. Please try again later.

What past presidents did regarding military force is still controversial. They were attacking known terrorists in those regions which would be minimizing future terrorist attacks. The president does have the green light to do this in certain situations.

Here we have a president who swore no new wars and condemned any military action against Iran repeatedly, yet did it anyway based on watching Fox News while ignoring top US government officials.

There's really not much of a comparison. The man's destroying our economy, destroying our relationship with the rest of the world, destroying our social programs, disregarding the constitution constantly, disobeying federal orders, and now putting us in a war for no reason other than he's crazy. It's unprecedented and we're only 5 months in. His impeachment should be based on multiple violations, not just this one.

SOTU time... with Kasey Hunt? Sunday shows gonna be spicy.

Wonder how the Stop Harris movement is feeling today.

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I checked and of course John Bolton is praising this. He's wanted a war with Iran for the longest time. And he really wants us to install a US controlled puppet government in Iran even though that blew up in our faces the first time we did it but I guess this time it's different?

Chuckie loves to demand action when there isn't a chance in hell of it actually happening.

asdf8562 posted...

This is useless claim. Especially if one has a tendency to both sides anything Republicans do on a constant basis.

Anything Trump and MAGA has done, even when simple math shows Republicans are to blame, you spin the conversation to blaming Democrats for something Republicans voted for. That or you pivot the conversation to attempting to drum up ire towards Democrats. Again, when its something Trump or MAGA did, not Democrats.

Trump decided to drop bombs on Iran, not Democrats. But right on queue there's a desperate need to shift the conversation to, "how can we get people to shift some of that disgust to a party that didnt actually drop the bombs, and dont have the power to actually stop him."

Anything to 'both sides' something MAGA did. Capping it off with, "I voted for Kamala" says little.

I mean we all know that's a bullshit claim. So either you don't read my posts or you are just making shit up. I did nothing but encourage people here to vote for Biden and then Kamala. And again, I didn't shift the conversation. There was an attempt to make this some uniquely bad thing Trump has done, which is nonsense.

MarshMellow posted...

The man's destroying our economy, destroying our relationship with the rest of the world, destroying our social programs, disregarding the constitution constantly, disobeying federal orders, and now putting us in a war for no reason other than he's crazy. It's unprecedented and we're only 5 months in.

Yes, and those are all great reasons to oppose Trump and why Dems should have done anything other than roll over until now. Pretending this is the first time the War Powers Act has ever happened isn't a good reason. Not even remotely. This is one of those time I prefer ResetEra. Like when people here were in denial about Biden having bombed that debate and needing to be replaced. This place is just too Democrat apologist for me sometimes. I support them because they're much less bad than Republicans, not because they aren't bad.

ssjevot posted...

Yes, and those are all great reasons to oppose Trump and why Dems should have done anything other than roll over until now. Pretending this is the first time the War Powers Act has ever happened isn't a good reason. Not even remotely. This is one of those time I prefer ResetEra. Like when people here were in denial about Biden having bombed that debate and needing to be replaced. This place is just too Democrat apologist for me sometimes. I support them because they're much less bad than Republicans, not because they aren't bad.

The difference is going after ISIS and other terrorists organizations which are indeed a threat to national and global security, and going after something Trump has been told by the United States does not exist.

darkace77450 posted...

Sorry, Chuck, your letter isn't quite stern enough to rouse the GOP to stand against Dear Leader. Please try again later.

Its even worse than a sternly worded letter. Its a plea to give trump unlimited war powers.

kaiolino posted...

Its even worse than a sternly worded letter. Its a plea to give trump unlimited war powers.

Are we at literal Jar Jar here?

ssjevot posted...

mean we all know that's a bulls*** claim. So either you don't read my posts or you are just making s*** up. I did nothing but encourage people here to vote for Biden and then Kamala. A

I have, and your claim means very little if in the same breath you have a tendency to constantly tie in reasons not to vote as well.

Saying "vote Kamala" means nothing if in the same breath or 2 seconds later you pivot a topic about something awful Republicans specifically did, to desperately tie in blaming Democrats all the time. Theres even times when simple math will show Republicans are to blame for something. But somehow someway we have to both sides something Republicans in an overwhelming majority passed. That or pivot some of the conversion away from Republicans to somehow tie in Democrats.

Saying you voted for Kamala or encouraged it means very little if one has a tendency in the same breath to message on, "why bother vote, both sides are bad." Even if you arent directly saying those exact words, that is how your words are perceived to those who arent following politics.

Democrats and Republicans think Democrats are bad.
Only Democrats think Republicans are bad.
Its not a mystery how vibes can paint Trump might not be all that bad seeing the above constantly.

Part of why Trump got elected was vibes he's not all that bad. Even if I assume you are being genuine, it means little to nothing. Part of the vibes that contributed to people thinking Trump isnt all that bad is even those on our own side desperately falling over themselves to blame or tie in Democrats for Republican actions.

kaiolino posted...

Its even worse than a sternly worded letter. Its a plea to give trump unlimited war powers.

and he doesn't understand this will also heavily back fire on america as a whole if he get's his wish

Starks posted...

SOTU time... with Kasey Hunt? Sunday shows gonna be spicy.

Wonder how the Stop Harris movement is feeling today.

People really need to get off this tangent, they stopped Harris because they hated how she supported Israel and now Israel is causing a mess. They are not thinking anything beyond that they were correct to boycott supporters of Israel.

asdf8562 posted...

I have, and your claim means very little if in the same breath you have a tendency to constantly tie in reasons not to vote as well.

Saying "vote Kamala" means nothing if in the same breath or 2 seconds later you pivot a topic about something awful Republicans specifically did, to desperately tie in blaming Democrats all the time. Theres even times when simple math will show Republicans are to blame for something. But somehow someway we have to both sides something Republicans in an overwhelming majority passed. That or pivot some of the conversion away from Republicans to somehow tie in Democrats.

Saying you voted for Kamala or encouraged it means very little if one has a tendency in the same breath to message on, "why bother vote, both sides are bad." Even if you arent directly saying those exact words, that is how your words are perceived to those who arent following politics.

Democrats and Republicans think Democrats are bad.
Only Democrats think Republicans are bad.
Its not a mystery how vibes can paint Trump might not be all that bad seeing the above constantly.

Part of why Trump got elected was vibes he's not all that bad. Even if I assume you are being genuine, it means little to nothing. Part of the vibes that contributed to people thinking Trump isnt all that bad is even those on our own side desperately falling over themselves to blame or tie in Democrats for Republican actions.

Again, just be honest and say you don't read my posts and are making stuff up. It's the disingenuousness that annoys me. You clearly just made that nonsense up.

Here's a simple couple of questions for you:

1. Is Obama a war criminal?
2. Does Biden share some responsibility for the genocide in Gaza?

And before you answer. Trump is way worse than Obama, it isn't even close. Trump is the worst president in modern history by far. Obama is a war criminal, but far preferable to Trump.

Harris would have been much better for Gaza and Biden was also better than Trump. I am not saying both sides are the same. I am saying Republicans are way worse, but I am also not pretending Dems are good.

So please answer those two questions for me. Since we're all about being honest and not just making shit up about each other. I am giving you the chance to confirm you aren't just a Dem apologist.

ssjevot posted...

Again, just be honest and say you don't read my posts and are making stuff up. It's the disingenuousness that annoys me.

You say disingenuous..... then proceed to rest my case with the rest of your post to literally pivot to Obama, Biden and any other Democrat you can pivot to lol.

As I said before, Democrats and Republicans think Democrats are bad.
Only Democrats think Republicans are bad.
Its not a mystery how vibes painted Trump to not be all that bad to those who dont follow politics closely.

asdf8562 posted...

You say disingenuous..... then proceed to rest my case with the rest of your post lol.

Everyone can see you refused to answer the questions. I'm not refusing to answer any questions.

ssjevot posted...

Everyone can see you refused to answer the questions. I'm not refusing to answer any questions.

Everyone can see you proceeded to rest my case.

Your question was irrelevant and quite literally was a prime example to what I was pointing out. Pivoting away from Republicans to talk about Democrats instead, or at the very least shifting some of the blame away from Republicans.

asdf8562 posted...

Everyone can see you proceeded to rest my case.

Your question was irrelevant and quite literally was a prime example to what I was pointing out.

I'm telling you I am pragmatically supporting the lesser evil. You are making up shit about me in your posts. You however refuse to answer my questions, which means I actually do have a basis to assume you're just a Dem apologist like a lot of the people here are.

I am supporting your party out of reluctance, and actively encouraged others who either planned not to vote or to vote third party to do the same, because the alternative is worse. You guys whine about all the leftists who didn't vote or voted third party. Humble makes a topic about them every day. I voted for her, I encouraged other to vote for her, but apparently that's not enough. I'm not going to praise a bunch of corporate shills and war criminals just because the alternative is worse. It's bad enough I had to vote for them.

ssjevot posted...

I'm telling you I am pragmatically supporting the lesser evil.

And for reasons I already stated in post 195, you are not being pragmatic. Its only contributing to those vibes Trump isnt all that bad. And your question was irrelevant to the point I made.

Your question literally did the very thing that in the same breath you claimed you arent doing.

We can assume you are being genuine you voted for her and encouraged others to. You claiming you voted for her means absolutely nothing if in the same breath every time Republicans do something awful, you are spreading the great word to pivot, tie-in, or mitigate some of the blame onto Democrats.... for Republican actions on a constant basis.

Regardless if we assume you are being genuine.
- Democrats and Republicans think Democrats are bad, and are constantly on megaphone chanting they are bad.
- Only Democrats think Republicans are bad and do not nearly have this much of an issue of other Republicans bashing Republicans constantly. Especially during elections.

Its not a mystery how vibes painted Trump to not be all that bad to those who dont follow politics closely. Especially when we have those on our side desperately falling over themselves to pivot on blaming Democrats for Republican actions constantly.

ssjevot posted...

I'm not the one who claimed this was unprecedented. Lying about it is pathetic. Dems have been a weak ineffective joke in stopping Trump and now I have to play memory hole on this because they'll be able to impeach Trump now? Not all the shit before now that was actually unprecedented that they didn't do shit to stop, this is it, this is the moment?

Get real. I'm not throwing my dignity away for this. I voted for Kamala, I don't regret it, I think she would be infinitely better than Trump, but I am under no illusions that Dems don't do the exact same shit. You can literally read that PBS article, which by the way is from 2017, the last time Trump did an unapproved bombing (which he wasn't impeached for).

Everyone keeps saying how ineffective Democrats are, but not presenting any real path forward for the party to effectively fight when the electorate has left them with no real power in Washington whatsoever.

The problem is not that Democrats dont know how to lead. It is that the GOP spent the last 50 years using relentless propaganda and lies to turn a chunk of the voting public into a cult, combined with another chunk of the electorate that is just dumb and lazy. If a person wants to be pissed at Democrats, be pissed at the ones from the 80s and 90s that stood by and let this happen. The ones today are in control of nothing. Or be pissed at the voters in this country, which are ridiculously easy to mislead.

Donald Trump tried to overthrow the government on national TV, is a felon, and mismanaged a pandemic that destroyed the economy and killed scores of Americans (and on and on). This is all known. He isnt President again because the Democrats are bad at messaging or are weak. He is President again because the electorate was manipulated for five decades and is now completely broken. Probably forever.

And yes: I would like just one thread where Trump/Maga does an obviously stupid/terrible thing and the conversation doesnt immediately pivot to how Democrats are at fault for not stopping it or would have done the same. Trump did it, he is to blame. The voters had every opportunity to prevent this by voting correctly, and chose not to.

asdf8562 posted...

Regardless if we assume you are being genuine.

It's extremely bold of you to constantly accuse me of disingenuousness when you refuse to answer basic fucking questions. Maybe you should think about the vibes you give off as a Democrat when you're scared to condemn genocide or war crimes if your party was involved with them.