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Underleveled
08/10/25 8:41:14 PM
#301:


Shes actually insufferable

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Inviso
08/10/25 8:43:11 PM
#302:


She's hilarious. The Rachel/Ashley/Ava/Will side of the house is bringing the drama (with Keanu and Kelley as well). Insufferable is Vinny and his constant mastermind gametalk confessionals.

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Underleveled
08/10/25 8:48:32 PM
#303:


I literally cant watch this season anymore. Ive NEVER done this before, but Im out. Somebody PM me when shes fucking gone

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Inviso
08/10/25 8:49:20 PM
#304:


I don't understand how you can watch a scene like this and think RACHEL is the annoying one in the scene.

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Underleveled
08/10/25 8:51:00 PM
#305:


I don't understand how you can feel the opposite. Vince is a chill guy and a straight shooter. Rachel is the most obnoxious self-victimizing hypocrite on planet earth and I cannot take another second of it.

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Inviso
08/10/25 8:53:03 PM
#306:


Underleveled posted...
I don't understand how you can feel the opposite. Vince is a chill guy and a straight shooter. Rachel is the most obnoxious self-victimizing hypocrite on planet earth and I cannot take another second of it.

Vinny's not chill at all. Vinny runs around, forming alliances with everyone in the house and can't handle the slightest bit of pressure before he tries this histrionic crap. He thinks he's the mastermind of the house and hasn't had that assumption corrected because everyone this season is fucking up a bunch.

Rachel is at least FUNNY.

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Inviso
08/10/25 9:00:21 PM
#307:


Keanu's reaction is perfectly fair, but holy hell Vinny's was embarrassing...only for Zach to step up and be even MORE embarrassing.

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Mewtwo59
08/10/25 9:14:59 PM
#308:


Underleveled posted...
I literally cant watch this season anymore. Ive NEVER done this before, but Im out. Somebody PM me when shes fucking gone

I'm amazed you made it this long. Not a surprise that a person who played a big part in TAR 20 doing the impossible and being worse than the Family Edition is completely insufferable here too.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/10/25 9:49:52 PM
#309:


I really don't like how Rachel "wants to show these people how to play Big Brother" - when she's essentially being shut out of any and all major alliances and being largely ignored strategically. It's this cast's way of saying "This ain't your season, it's ours" to her, and it's pretty great tbh. She's showing that she's a fraud since she hasn't found an in. She hasn't been able to influence anybody and, even when on the bottom, a good player can at least get something to stick to improve their position.

Amy and Jimmy were evicted because of their proximity to Rachel, so literally nobody wants to be next in that sequence. That's why Ava is listening to Mickey and Will before Rachel. Ava doesn't want to be on her way out next because that's what happens to Rachel's allies. It's sorta like what Savai'i did to Ozzy in South Pacific - they voted out his cuddle buddies and forced him to win challenges for them. And this was optimal because Redemption Island was in play and the absolute LAST thing Jim Rice wanted was a pissed-off Ozzy going on a tear there.

Rachel is much the same way here. They want her to be delusional enough to think she actually has sway when she does not. And I don't think anyone outright hates her - they just hate the fact that she's there, and they don't want a legend overshadowing what was supposed to be THEIR season. Ergo, anyone who Rachel has a public F2 with has gotta go. So bye, Amy. Bye, Jimmy. Bye anyone else who does that! (Ashley might be next tbh.) There's a reason that even Lauren, who was fangirling the hardest when Rachel showed up, has a very minimal relationship with her.

So Rachel's cockiness is just bizarre to me. She's done literally nothing this season to improve her position. And she's just mad that these people aren't playing the game for HER - it's the old Ciera Eastin "Make a move!" speech without explaining why such a move would benefit somebody else. She thinks these people are idiots for not doing the best move for HER game, when that's a downright stupid thing to say. And the way she comes across is devoid of self-awareness that I thought she had by now.

That said, and this is pretty great, the cast has pretty much agreed that they want Rachel to be Mayor of Ponderosa again. Rachel has said that she'll refuse to go to the jury house - it's either she goes pre-jury or makes F4, with no in between. I'm all on board for this outcome. If they evict her - tequila, vomit, hair extensions, and all - and she quits the jury, I'm looking forward to seeing the fandom meltdown.

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Centurion
08/11/25 10:20:20 PM
#310:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
That said, and this is pretty great, the cast has pretty much agreed that they want Rachel to be Mayor of Ponderosa again. Rachel has said that she'll refuse to go to the jury house - it's either she goes pre-jury or makes F4, with no in between. I'm all on board for this outcome. If they evict her - tequila, vomit, hair extensions, and all - and she quits the jury, I'm looking forward to seeing the fandom meltdown.

If that's the reason they're still keeping her around then I'm all for it.

Hopefully she's retired from reality TV forever after this.

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Chaeix
08/12/25 1:35:02 PM
#311:


someone on reddit pointed out how often mickey blinks and uh

wow she blinks a ton

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Mewtwo59
08/12/25 2:23:32 PM
#312:


Centurion posted...
If that's the reason they're still keeping her around then I'm all for it.

Hopefully she's retired from reality TV forever after this.

I doubt it. This is her job. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason she came back was because she knows The Challenge producers are watching and she's using this as a tryout so she can get consistent work.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/12/25 11:19:56 PM
#313:


Mewtwo59 posted...
I doubt it. This is her job. I wouldn't be surprised if the reason she came back was because she knows The Challenge producers are watching and she's using this as a tryout so she can get consistent work.
Rachel would never compete on The Challenge. She was invited to The Challenge USA, the short-lived one with the CBS reality stars, but she read half the cast contract and was like "Who would go on this show?" She also wondered why a lot of the people who did go on it didn't read the fine print - again, she only needed to read half of that contract to know that the show was sketchy. And then look what happened.

I'm guessing she's back because she was offered $25,000 up front, and she just can't help herself but go on Big Brother when given the opportunity. She is a diva who thinks she's the best BB player ever, when we all know her win has a big fat asterisk next to it. Will say it's pretty funny how she's a floater this season, though!

Also, and this is minor feeds spoilers so I'm tagging it... over the past two days, more and more people are hopping on board with the "let's get rid of Rachel soon" train. So she may be gone pre-jury after all.

On another note... I am really not feeling this season at this point tbh. There was that wild period from Rylie being dethroned through the two hours after Jimmy being nominated, but aside from that this cast is just not clicking. And that may be why they brought Rachel in: They knew she'd stir shit, and that they needed somebody to. But she's more subdued in doing so since she fears this group would evict her for burning the place down, so she's gonna wait until she wins HoH. That may not happen, though. This whole thing may be the case of Grodner wanting to "spice things up" and having the exact opposite effect - because someone who stands out is there, nobody in this group wants to stand out even more, else they will be in the crosshairs next.

Really wish they'd have found someone like Tucker or Angela last season who was there to be entertaining. Or maybe that was supposed to be Zae, and... look what happened to him.

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Mewtwo59
08/13/25 2:41:52 PM
#314:


I did see an interview where Tyson basically called the entire production amateur hour, but I didn't realize that it was that apparent from the contract.

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Chaeix
08/13/25 2:46:14 PM
#315:


I feel awful for Kat. Rylie is like I am promising that I will marry you while shes like yeah sure I like you I guess. 100% chance shes not sharing her true feelings with anyone much less in confessionals lest she be seen as manipulative imo. im getting the vibes shes concerned about how far this has gone in Rylies head. like, how do you turn down someone as obsessive as him when youre stuck in that house?

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BlueCrystalTear
08/13/25 11:02:18 PM
#316:


Chaeix posted...
I feel awful for Kat. Rylie is like I am promising that I will marry you while shes like yeah sure I like you I guess. 100% chance shes not sharing her true feelings with anyone much less in confessionals lest she be seen as manipulative imo. im getting the vibes shes concerned about how far this has gone in Rylies head. like, how do you turn down someone as obsessive as him when youre stuck in that house?
It's honestly has been giving me BMC/Amber vibes for a while, but Rylie has a lot more charm than BMC ever did. And that's why Kat feels more trapped than Amber ever did. Strategically, he's a good shield for her, and if she shot him down, she has no idea what would become of it. I think she's afraid of him being obsessed with her anyway, so she might as well keep him under her control. And if she has someone willing to die for her, it's certainly better than having a stalker in a small, cramped environment.

But for similar, but not entirely the same circumstances... gotta give Lauren mad respect here. Zach is willing to fall on the sword for her, just like Rylie is for Kat, but Lauren's found some way to prevent a hook-up that puts a target on her back while still maintaining that alliance as a shield. The key difference is of course that Zach is a nice guy, while Rylie is a creep. Zach respects Lauren's boundaries, while Rylie physically melted Kat's down. I don't know if there was much Kat could've done to buy time tbh.

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Espeon
08/14/25 12:32:04 PM
#317:


Watching the episode: I really hate how mopey and whiny Vince is as a sad sack. I know Rachel has been whiny too, but Rachel is in a position where the house treats her like a mascot rather than a legit player, and theyve taken out two of her friends (in stupid game moves for those particular HoHs). It makes sense for her to be upset if the cast is Ozzying her (as Andy compared). But Vince has been playing this scared game and staying in the middle this whole first month, and the second he doesnt get his way, he starts moaning about how its not fair; everyone is playing the middle; this has been his dream for ten years; wah wah wah.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/14/25 1:05:00 PM
#318:


Espeon posted...
Watching the episode: I really hate how mopey and whiny Vince is as a sad sack. I know Rachel has been whiny too, but Rachel is in a position where the house treats her like a mascot rather than a legit player, and theyve taken out two of her friends (in stupid game moves for those particular HoHs). It makes sense for her to be upset if the cast is Ozzying her (as Andy compared). But Vince has been playing this scared game and staying in the middle this whole first month, and the second he doesnt get his way, he starts moaning about how its not fair; everyone is playing the middle; this has been his dream for ten years; wah wah wah.
I think we were watching the same moment - him pleading helplessly at the end of the Veto comp - around the same time (I just finished the episode). The Vinny "The Lip" Panero name is gonna stick. He looked like such a whiny loser in the worst way, and that's not somebody other players want to align with. This may be why Mickey betrayed him. Would not shock me if they kicked Mickey out of Melting Pot and replaced her with Lauren, so long as Morgan is okay with that. Morgan has wanted Lauren out at times so she could "get Zach to herself" but.... that's not good gameplay. You get Lauren out, you betray Zach. And I think Morgan's come to that realization.

Also, Rachel is always whiny. It just makes more sense this time because of how little traction they're allowing her to get. That going on for long enough would make anyone whiny. Rachel fighting with Morgan was a pretty stupid move for her, since Morgan has a lot of connections that Rachel does not. Rachel's unwarranted cockiness, however... that's making her a fair amount of enemies, and not just Morgan.

Do gotta say, Vinny's costume is something else. He can't get up or down without somebody helping him. Keanu's is humorous, too, but his stint is typical fare. It's made feeds interesting. Rachel and Zach's thing was not on feeds because production sucks. Feedsters, particularly the paying ones, are complaining more than usual about getting the shaft this year.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/14/25 8:38:23 PM
#319:


They're going to make Lauren and Morgan the last two to vote, aren't they?

Also Julie sounds choked up about this. These are two really nice guys and Julie never likes to see people cry. She knows what's coming.

This is emotionally compelling nonetheless.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/14/25 8:51:56 PM
#320:


That was hard to watch. But hey, this is making me feel something. That's a good thing.

I think the house agreed on this. Not sure how it happened though. Some people, such as Lauren, didn't want to stand out by fighting for him. Not worth appearing on the radar when people keep forgetting you're playing the game lol

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Mewtwo59
08/14/25 11:47:04 PM
#321:


TAR 38 cast dropped today. Can't comment on it because I don't know who any of these people are, but I don't have high hopes considering the only Big Brother team I've actually liked on TAR was Derek & Claire.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/15/25 1:14:01 AM
#322:


Taylor Hale is objectively awesome and that's about all you need to know about her.

The rest of the TAR cast is pretty much what I'd expect, though I was anticipating someone who hadn't competed in the last decade. A deep cut from the old days.

I'm still not gonna watch. This kind of thing does not lure me back in. Even with Tucker and Angela there (they made last year so great), you gotta remember that those who are dynamic personalities on Big Brother might not have the same effect on another show. BB and TAR are very different shows in very different environments, so I doubt Tucker can find opportunity to troll everybody.

You've said you've heard it went really poorly though and may result in the show's cancelation. I think that part hinges on how well this new country music tour show does. If it does well, CBS won't need Amazing Race anymore.

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Chaeix
08/15/25 2:10:29 AM
#323:


New HoH is.... Rachel Reilly!

here we goooooooooooooo

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Chaeix
08/15/25 2:17:05 AM
#324:


Just looking at the TAR38 cast. Huge recency bias there and some really ?????? picks given the number of fun characters they could have chosen. Hannah? Turner? Joseph? To a lesser extent Izzy and Natalie?

Angela's return to TV will either be the most annoying shit anyone has ever had to watch or TV gold, who knows where the dice will fall.

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Mewtwo59
08/15/25 2:42:15 AM
#325:


I don't know if it went poorly or not, it's just that I heard that it's only around Europe. I thought I heard they're going back to the charter flights too, but I can't actually find if that was said anywhere or it was just an assumption based on the all-Europe race and the start line being in the Netherlands. But we saw what happened in season 36 when they went back to all the COVID stuff (even if it was filmed before), so I don't expect this season to be well received.

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Underleveled
08/15/25 8:51:50 AM
#326:


Love:
Kat
Taylor
Tucker

Like:
Chelsie
Hannah
Joseph
Natalie

Neutral/Mixed:
Enzo
Izzy
Jag
Rubina
Turner

Dislike:
Kyland

Hate:
Angela

So yeah, most of this cast falls into that neutral/soft-like for me. Also TIL Taylor and Kyland are dating. Oof that's going to be interesting with Joseph also on there.

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Underleveled
08/15/25 8:57:58 AM
#327:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
Taylor Hale is objectively awesome and that's about all you need to know about her.
And yes, Taylor Hale is easily my favorite BB contestant of all time, possibly even my favorite RTV contestant of all time.

BlueCrystalTear posted...
I was anticipating someone who hadn't competed in the last decade. A deep cut from the old days.
It may be hard to believe, but Natalie's season is almost a decade old.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/15/25 9:29:22 AM
#328:


Chaeix posted...
New HoH is.... Rachel Reilly!

here we goooooooooooooo
This is gonna be a fun week. Predicting nominations of Mickey, Morgan, and Vince. And then everybody goes against Rachel and they get her out next week.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/15/25 9:34:56 AM
#329:


Underleveled posted...
It may be hard to believe, but Natalie's season is almost a decade old.
Yeah, noticing that last night was pretty rough on me. I feel old.

Underleveled posted...
And yes, Taylor Hale is easily my favorite BB contestant of all time, possibly even my favorite RTV contestant of all time.
I block anyone who doesn't like her. That's only happened twice, on Facebook. Jealous people, trolls, and racists who are not worth my time.

BB24 is the "Taylor's Version" season. She is the protagonist and easily the best part of a pretty mid season. It's mid largely because there isn't much else going for it, just Taylor Hale.

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Xuxon
08/15/25 2:13:19 PM
#330:


Man I don't even remember Natalie, at all. I remember BB9 Natalie and BB11 Natalie but not 18.

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Underleveled
08/15/25 2:18:16 PM
#331:


Xuxon posted...
Man I don't even remember Natalie, at all. I remember BB9 Natalie and BB11 Natalie but not 18.
She was James's girlfriend.

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Underleveled
08/15/25 2:23:52 PM
#332:


BlueCrystalTear posted...
BB24 is the "Taylor's Version" season. She is the protagonist and easily the best part of a pretty mid season. It's mid largely because there isn't much else going for it, just Taylor Hale.
There's kind of an interesting paradox when considering the quality of 24. At first thought, you remove Taylor and you think it becomes terrible, but then again, without Taylor, a lot of people's terrible sides aren't exposed because they aren't treating Taylor like crap.

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Mewtwo59
08/15/25 3:05:06 PM
#333:


As someone who didn't watch the season, I'm amazed how everyone treated her like garbage and then she got enough votes to win. Did they get some time to reflect on how awful they all were in Big Brother Ponderosa or something?

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Underleveled
08/15/25 3:18:45 PM
#334:


Mewtwo59 posted...
As someone who didn't watch the season, I'm amazed how everyone treated her like garbage and then she got enough votes to win. Did they get some time to reflect on how awful they all were in Big Brother Ponderosa or something?
I think it was a combination of a few things...
-The people who were the absolute worst to her were not on the jury (most of them went pre-jury and the other was her F2 opponent)
-Her showmance was on the jury so he almost certainly did some rallying for her
-She called out most of the behavior in her final speech so it would have looked especially bad on the jury not to give it to her after being forced to face their actions

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BlueCrystalTear
08/15/25 8:21:11 PM
#335:


Underleveled posted...
There's kind of an interesting paradox when considering the quality of 24. At first thought, you remove Taylor and you think it becomes terrible, but then again, without Taylor, a lot of people's terrible sides aren't exposed because they aren't treating Taylor like crap.
This made for a potentially compelling narrative, but the Big Brother format is too long to be conducive to this story. It would work better over 14 episodes like Survivor has.

I don't know where the intrigue is without Taylor, though. Having the best protagonist the show has ever had (and she's easily one of the best in ANY reality show) added a lot.

Also, nomination spoilers.... I called it exactly. No surprises!

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Chaeix
08/15/25 8:34:14 PM
#336:


can't wait for sunday's episode even if the fallout from noms won't happen until wednesday

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BlueCrystalTear
08/16/25 6:45:24 PM
#337:


Veto spoilers...

Lauren won the OTEV comp! It lasted TWO rounds this year, with two going out on the first round (Vinny and Will) and the other three getting it wrong in the second round. So Lauren got lucky, but still knew what she was doing. (She's said she's probably not using it, unless Rachel talks her into it.)

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Chaeix
08/16/25 6:51:06 PM
#338:


lmao

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Mewtwo59
08/16/25 7:58:39 PM
#339:


Something I've been curious about is do they show the challenges on the live feeds or do people just figure this stuff out from what people say afterwards?

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Chaeix
08/16/25 8:47:39 PM
#340:


Mewtwo59 posted...
Something I've been curious about is do they show the challenges on the live feeds or do people just figure this stuff out from what people say afterwards?
the latter

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BlueCrystalTear
08/16/25 10:40:13 PM
#341:


Actually, a correction... seems like I msiread something: it was three rounds, but still, LMAO

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BlueCrystalTear
08/18/25 11:36:37 AM
#342:


Veto update

Lauren has been waffling between "use it on Vince" or "not use it at all". Like me, she's an overthinker who can struggle with making a brutal decision, so I get where this is coming from. Vince and Ashley want her to use it, while Keanu and Rachel are telling her not to. Keanu said if they want Mickey or Morgan out, it's best to keep noms the same. Keanu may have even convinced Vince that it may be best for him to stay on the block for some reason LOL. (Ashley wants it used because Rachel might put Rylie up, which is better for Ashley. Rachel needs to tell Lauren this if she really wants to stop it from being used. Her plan is to get the last word in right before the Veto Meeting, which is in about two hours.)

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Chaeix
08/18/25 3:58:24 PM
#343:


Veto results

lauren used the veto on Vince and Rachel put Rylie on the block

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BlueCrystalTear
08/18/25 8:05:54 PM
#344:


More on that...

Rachel kinda threatened Lauren that if she used the Veto, one of her allies might get nominated. Then Rachel had the audacity to say it was Lauren who made an enemy. Rachel should really look in a mirror. Threats don't make you friends.

Toxic nitwits are hating on Lauren and treating Rachel's word as gospel. And people wonder why I'm not a Rachel fan.

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Underleveled
08/18/25 9:50:47 PM
#345:


This is exactly why I stopped watching the season. That degree of obnoxious hypocrisy from her in EVERY FUCKING EPISODE was infuriating.

Anyway, I'm assuming jury is gonna start at 9 instead of 11 like it has the past two years, but if it DOES start at 11 that's hilarious that Keanu not only made jury but didn't even go on the block during Rachel's HoH.

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Inviso
08/18/25 9:56:01 PM
#346:


I mean...

You ARE kinda biased in favor of Lauren. She made a really shitty move after Rachel told her specifically she was going to nominate an ally of Lauren if Lauren used the veto...all to save the guy who was never going home under any BBB combination (who keeps moping and sulking about how someone has clocked him as a threat). Kat/Rylie SHOULD be pissed at Lauren, because she KNEW Rylie was going up if she used the vetom and she did it anyway, because...let's be real here...Lauren is kind of a sheep in this game.

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BlueCrystalTear
08/18/25 10:05:00 PM
#347:


Inviso...

I admit I am biased in favor of Lauren. Unlike the Rachel fans. I do agree Lauren made a dumb game move to use the Veto, and I know she's a floater. I am very frustrated by her as a player and despite me trying to will some smarter thoughts into the cosmos, it's not working. So while watching her play is getting rough on me, I still adore her as a person. I need to find a girl like that, one who's a bit older though.

My point stands about Rachel having made Lauren her enemy regardless of whether or not the Veto was used.

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Chaeix
08/18/25 10:50:29 PM
#348:


Just finished the first 2 eps of Australian Survivor vs The World. Its an excellent watch so far.

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TheManaSword
08/19/25 11:58:06 AM
#349:


Chaeix posted...
Just finished the first 2 eps of Australian Survivor vs The World. Its an excellent watch so far.

its actually unfair how good it is. ep3 is excellent too

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Chaeix
08/19/25 10:38:03 PM
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TheManaSword posted...
its actually unfair how good it is. ep3 is excellent too
I was convinced Shonee was toast. I cannot believe it was Sarah that voted George and not Kirby. Eps 2 and 3 tribals have been absolutely fucking phenomenal. The Australians are showing the World how it's done while the dynamics on World are just so... predictable? Lisa/Cirie is the only alliance worth giving a damn about over there. Lisa is my current winner pick. Everyone is going to ignore her which is exactly what happened in NZ2 (also I met her for like 15 seconds at the NZ2 live finale and have a buff that was signed by her - though it's since worn off - so I'm biased. My entire interaction with her was congratulating her on the win and complimenting the RHAP shirt she was wearing).

What a way to start the season.

Also just looked at a confessional count chart and Parvati had seventeen confessionals Ep1 with the next highest being Rob at 7. Classic Australian survivor being imbalanced as shit. Episode 2 literally had 7/13 people getting confessionals. Just insane. And Kass, Tommi, and Janine deserve better at 3/3/2 confessionals respectively. I will never understand why, with longer episodes, Aus Survivor is so bloody imbalanced.

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