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Chewisbeast 05/20/25 1:07:46 AM #105: |
Garioshi posted... Luke is a great party member (I'd say the worst in the long run is actually Jade, with Anise being worse for the time being), but Guy just happens to be better than him in nearly every way. Luke just takes some getting used to and suffers earlygame from having to make do with dogshit like Raging Blast.Jade slander won't be tolerated round these parts >=( But I will say party's with him tend to slog through boss fights, especially the later ones. My issue with Luke's combat is everything jusy feels sluggish and gets easily kinda stunned out of combos. Add in that the other pure melee option (Guy) is just better in every way and he just loses any sort of role he can fill (which is basically just power hitter/self healer). Jade and Ansie at least fill in the niche roles. Like I can't think of another mc that gets as outclassed by the rest of the cast as much as Luke even with the came catering more towards melee via ad skills. This is all from a combat standpoint btw, character building/story wise I love Luke and Abyss in general. --- twitch.tv/nitsuku twitch.tv/gentlemangarby ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/20/25 1:42:12 AM #106: |
Luke's really that rough, huh? I'll try Guy out in combat, see how he feels. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 05/20/25 1:45:15 AM #107: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Luke's really that rough, huh? I'll try Guy out in combat, see how he feels. i never had any issues with luke personally --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/20/25 3:49:48 AM #108: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Luke's really that rough, huh? I'll try Guy out in combat, see how he feels.Luke is perfectly fine and you can solo the entire game with him on the hardest difficulty (which I have), but Guy is just cracked. His normals are much faster, his artes all combo into each other very easily, and he doesn't have a single bad arte outside of stuff you have to go WAY out of your way to get. Luke hits notably harder, but a lot of his stuff is way more situational and prone to dropping combos. Not ideal when the primary purpose of a melee character in a Tales game is to keep enemies away from the casters. Luke also doesn't really have an arte that you want to use that has a good Water FoF change, so you'll have to dedicate a shortcut to that. If I had to rank the playable characters (in the context of a full party and by the endgame), it would be: Tear (if you don't have her in the party you're trying to lose) Guy Anise Natalia/Luke (her healing is about as valuable as a second melee fighter protecting casters) Jade Anise CAN become the best character in the game, but it's an absolute fucking headache to achieve. Luke is also temporarily the best character in the game later on. The characters don't set themselves apart from each other for a while, though. They're all about the same amount of good at the point where you're at. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/21/25 9:31:25 PM #109: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/414ece6c.jpg He's not remotely big-headed about all this :p EDIT: Oh you folks weren't kidding, Guy is so much snappier and smoother to play as than Luke. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fba20024.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/61ef9cfc.jpg Tear being tempted to play Crimson Flower. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/21/25 10:59:59 PM #110: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/e9a60876.jpgOh god, this is creepy. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/21/25 11:07:02 PM #111: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d49bf30d.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6dd93c54.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/99040d84.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/e/eae621ee.jpg Oofs all around :( --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SydnieStarlight 05/21/25 11:12:49 PM #112: |
*Ah, I see you've reached the scene around which possibly my most passionate gaming opinion is centered~* I'll keep further comments to myself for now, but rest assured, I *will* be hijacking this topic at a later time to make my opinion about that scene *everyone's* problem~ --- Star Rail (601319792) | FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 05/21/25 11:14:52 PM #113: |
Oh, looks like you reached the "Holy Shit" moment. So there's a missable around this point, and it's an arte. The following has no plot spoilers, it simply mentions a location you've been to before. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PowerOats 05/21/25 11:15:07 PM #114: |
Controlling Luke sucks, Guy should have been the MC. Even ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/21/25 11:24:20 PM #115: |
They are going to acknowledge that Asch tried to make Luke kill Tear because... he thought it'd be funny, I guess, right? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/22/25 12:30:47 AM #116: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/26fce799.jpg That's what you get for being a jerk. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 05/22/25 12:39:59 AM #117: |
Beating Asch is so satisfying. Also love the little cutscenes in that fight if you use certain artes at the same time as him. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/22/25 10:26:37 AM #118: |
Umbreon posted... Oh, looks like you reached the "Holy Shit" moment.Shortly after this is another missable arte. After you've cleared the area mentioned above, you can click on this. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/22/25 1:52:59 PM #119: |
I get the feeling Guy and Asch had a bad relationship before the latter's kidnapping. Guy remarks before the reveal that he's happy Luke "changed", and he still wants nothing to do with Asch. Contrast Natalia, who's currently simpering after the murderous little cretin and saying it's her and Guy's responsibility to coddle him to make up for the last seven years. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Croast59 05/22/25 2:06:35 PM #120: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d49bf30d.jpg Ah, yes. This scene. To this day, people are still split on how it was handled. --- Playing: Xenoblade Chronicles (Switch) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/22/25 2:29:05 PM #121: |
Croast59 posted... Ah, yes. This scene. To this day, people are still split on how it was handled.I think it was handled well, the party was clearly disgusted more with his Luke's refusal to accept responsibility than him doing the deed in the first place. That said, I also think there needs to be a certain level of acceptance on their end, too. Luke only turned out the way he did because he seemed to have no effective support structure in his life aside from Van. Even the party didn't really take his inexperience with the world as seriously as they should have, and this is particularly damning in the case of Jade, who seemed to figure out what was going on a while ago. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SydnieStarlight 05/22/25 4:23:06 PM #122: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... I think it was handled well, the party was clearly disgusted more with his Luke's refusal to accept responsibility than him doing the deed in the first place.Oh, I see, you were looking to pick a fight with me! (You might consider getting a little farther into the game before reading the upcoming spoiler block. I don't *think* I'm gonna say anything you shouldn't already know, but I can't say that with 100% certainty. It's just that I have *strong* feelings about this particular part of the game~) --- Star Rail (601319792) | FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/24/25 3:33:51 AM #123: |
Sorry, haven't made progress in a little bit, I'm up to here: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/b2c9eef8.jpg Guy's a true friend. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/24/25 11:41:05 AM #124: |
SydnieStarlight posted... Oh, I see, you were looking to pick a fight with me!You're focusing too much on blame, blame's a distraction. Luke needs to acknowledge what he did (however unintentionally) and what was done to him, and just stammering that it wasn't his fault shows a lack of maturity and willingness to grow. He owes it to other people and to himself to mature and learn how to use his powers safely, or more people are going to suffer, him included, seeing as how he hates the idea of killing people. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/24/25 4:51:25 PM #125: |
Oof, Jade's being mean to Luke :( Improved Luke is pretty nice, though. Eager to see where he goes. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/24/25 5:04:16 PM #126: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2f02b0e3.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6b403b3b.jpg EDIT: Oh, her parents are fuckin' deadbeats. That explains a lot. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SydnieStarlight 05/24/25 5:44:28 PM #127: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... You're focusing too much on blame, blame's a distraction. Luke needs to acknowledge what he did (however unintentionally) and what was done to him, and just stammering that it wasn't his fault shows a lack of maturity and willingness to grow. He owes it to other people and to himself to mature and learn how to use his powers safely, or more people are going to suffer, him included, seeing as how he hates the idea of killing people.I keep writing up a response to this, but I don't think I can do that without getting *way* too heated, and I'm also worried I'm going to start accidentally dropping spoilers. I think I've pretty much made my arguments already anyway. I will say this: believe it or not, I actually really love the outcome of that scene, it kicks off what might well be my favorite character arc in gaming. I just don't think it's fair that it happened. --- Star Rail (601319792) | FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfDevsman 05/24/25 8:29:28 PM #128: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Oof, Jade's being mean to Luke :(I actually kinda prefer pre-haircut Luke. I would like him less as a person and all, but as a character, where he's on the other side of the TV screen and can't hurt me, he's certainly the more interesting Luke. --- Arguing on CE be all like: https://youtu.be/JpRKrs67lOs?si=kPGA2RCKVHTdbVrJ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/25/25 3:20:05 AM #129: |
Is it just me or are the enemies around Keterburg weirdly strong? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 05/25/25 8:50:18 AM #130: |
They're a bit overleveled for you at this point in the game, yeah. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/25/25 11:41:50 AM #131: |
Umbreon posted... They're a bit overleveled for you at this point in the game, yeah.Huh, then why is the game making me go here on the way to the Malkuth capital city? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/25/25 1:15:50 PM #132: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f430c262.jpg Oh hey, this loser again. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/99b97a87.jpg Sweet fancy jesus --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/25/25 1:24:56 PM #133: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3a5086a8.jpg That is a lot of money for an access that's the definition of too awesome to use :3 --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chewisbeast 05/26/25 12:31:11 AM #134: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3a5086a8.jpgNot worth it to use (it breaks after use). But it is good to sell during one specific part of the game (~300k iirc) --- twitch.tv/nitsuku twitch.tv/gentlemangarby ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/26/25 2:44:19 AM #135: |
Chewisbeast posted... But it is good to sell during one specific part of the game (~300k iirc)Oh dayum, I shoulda saved it. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/26/25 11:08:58 AM #136: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... Oh dayum, I shoulda saved it.Save your weapons and armor in general until a specific point in the game. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/26/25 12:03:48 PM #137: |
Garioshi posted... Save your weapons and armor in general until a specific point in the game.Shoot, too late for that now. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/26/25 12:36:32 PM #138: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3230060a.jpg Hey, how do I get through here? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SydnieStarlight 05/26/25 1:30:48 PM #139: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3230060a.jpgI *think* you can use Mieu Attack to break the wooden crates, but I also don't remember there actually being anything back there. You can probably ignore it~ --- Star Rail (601319792) | FGO (960,463,298) Let's be friends~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ReturnOfDevsman 05/26/25 1:34:18 PM #140: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/3230060a.jpgOh man, I hated the block puzzles in the 6th gen Tales games. At least the ones in Abyss were fewer and simpler than in Symphonia. --- Arguing on CE be all like: https://youtu.be/JpRKrs67lOs?si=kPGA2RCKVHTdbVrJ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/26/25 8:12:02 PM #141: |
ReturnOfDevsman posted... Oh man, I hated the block puzzles in the 6th gen Tales games. At least the ones in Abyss were fewer and simpler than in Symphonia.Can't believe the ones in Vesperia had the GALL to have one with 2 stories. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/26/25 9:24:28 PM #142: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/df49e99c.jpg Tear's mind has been fried lol --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 05/26/25 11:13:12 PM #143: |
luke x tear is a rare thing for the tales fandom where the canon ship is the most popular ship --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/26/25 11:34:38 PM #145: |
AceMos posted... luke x tear is a rare thing for the tales fandomNot as though Tear has much competition. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kamil 05/27/25 1:05:12 AM #146: |
I played this on the 3DS and I feel like even though I tried to issue commands my party members were just idiots. I am a sucker for Tear just because of the shy look, I guess. Luke really has a lot to him and well, Jade. heh. There I know I can spoil tag stuff, but other than Tales of Berseria and maybe Phantasia this is the furthest I ever got without finishing (I did finish Berseria). I got farther in this than Phantasia. --- Today's the same as ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chewisbeast 05/27/25 2:38:58 AM #147: |
Kamil posted... I played this on the 3DS and I feel like even though I tried to issue commands my party members were just idiots. I am a sucker for Tear just because of the shy look, I guess. Luke really has a lot to him and well, Jade. heh.There's only one Tales games I never finished, Zesteria. I got like slightly past the halfway point and ended my suffering with it there. I replayed Abyss on my 2ds in March while I had to stay in the hospital (main reason I remember so much about it currently). I should replay Berseria soon though. It's been a while and my memory of it is pretty shaky. I remember just rushing the end because I just wanted it finished despite the fact that I enjoyed the combat and characters. Maybe after I finish this playthrough of DotnW. --- twitch.tv/nitsuku twitch.tv/gentlemangarby ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kamil 05/27/25 2:50:47 AM #148: |
Berseria is my favorite, hands down but it just dumps tons of side stories before you finish the game. I didn't mind it back then, but I was also playing this for a warm up of the original Persona 5 iirc. --- Today's the same as ever. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/27/25 10:33:24 PM #149: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bea0b04c.jpg Jesus christ. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/27/25 10:42:47 PM #150: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/036d36c8.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/036449ac.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f5f950de.jpg Oh goddamn, prices went way up lol. Good thing I stockpiled earlier. Great use of game mechanics to convey how war is hell, doing it better than most Fire Emblem games! --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Chewisbeast 05/27/25 10:54:28 PM #151: |
Metal_Gear_Raxis posted... https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/036d36c8.jpgConversely, that means you too are able to sell high. Thanks war! --- twitch.tv/nitsuku twitch.tv/gentlemangarby ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/27/25 11:17:00 PM #152: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/74a376c1.jpg https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4d4e06a6.jpg Man, the girls are not having a good day. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 05/28/25 1:19:15 AM #153: |
I love that the economy is part of the storytelling, it's so awesome. I believe vertain optional scenes will also contribute to lowering prices. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 05/28/25 12:28:23 PM #154: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/ce63a739.jpg "A clean break from the war economy. Well some of us liked that economy! How's an honest warmonger supposed to make a living?" --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AceMos 05/28/25 12:30:13 PM #155: |
shocked luke is not in your party --- 3 things 1. i am female 2. i havea msucle probelm its hard for me to typ well 3.*does her janpuu dance* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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