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Scardude posted...

He didn't resign like singh but his party will decide his fate

Am I crazy for kinda remembering that this Conservative party convention? They don't resign until a party conference or caucus meeting or something?

HojoojoH_2 posted...

Am I crazy for kinda remembering that this Conservative party convention? They don't resign until a party conference or caucus meeting or something?

Leadership review. He either resigns himself or they decide to force him out when a review is triggered. Which is the case

Scardude posted...

Leadership review. He either resigns himself or they decide to force him out when a review is triggered. Which is the case

Ya I meant I'm thinking it's party convention to take it to the review. As in, the leader doesn't resign until then.

But probably I'm just imagining some pattern of events incorrectly

HojoojoH_2 posted...

Ya I meant I'm thinking it's party convention to take it to the review. As in, the leader doesn't resign until then.

But probably I'm just imagining some pattern of events incorrectly

Pretty sure harper resigned

One Temu Trump down, I so hope I get to see this fate befall the Australian Temu Trump on Saturday too.

Fantastic to see the far right getting rebuffed by Canada. Finally some positive news for a change.

Australian federal election is on Saturday. Interesting that the two countries are having elections so close

St0rmFury posted...

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looooooooool

It's true that the more people get to know you, the less they like you. Get fucked. 20 year career politician to grandstanding political party leader to out of a job. Good job. At least you can retire with your full pension.

St0rmFury posted...

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A Liz Truss moment

Well its not a majority government but with the difference in seats the libs should be able to get things done with help from the NDP and Green.

Pleasantly surprised the Canadian people didn't allow their xenophobia and supressed self-loathing screw up everything else policy wise...or maybe they were super xenophobic due to the US continuously threatening to invade them.

Either way, they might be the only country that looked at what happened to their neighbors after electing far right nutjobs, mainly to get rid of immigrants, and decided maybe it's not worth it.

Pretty good job, Canada.

I normally don't brag about political stuff, but I cannot wait to shove P.P. losing his fucking seat in the faces of all those smug conservative people.

Like, ever since Harper they've been taking L's and it's glorious (although, I predict in 3 years, Doug Ford will win the head of the conservative party, and eventually P.M. for Canada).

Oh, Canada!

Eat_More_Beef posted...

I normally don't brag about political stuff, but I cannot wait to shove P.P. losing his fucking seat in the faces of all those smug conservative people.

Like, ever since Harper they've been taking L's and it's glorious (although, I predict in 3 years, Doug Ford will win the head of the conservative party, and eventually P.M. for Canada).

Really makes me wish Danny Williams had went into Federal politics. Then again, even though he was a progressive conservative he HATED Harper, more than any other premier, so I doubt he would want the job of PM.

Board_hunter567 posted...

Pleasantly surprised the Canadian people didn't allow their xenophobia and supressed self-loathing screw up everything else policy wise...or maybe they were super xenophobic due to the US continuously threatening to invade them.

Either way, they might be the only country that looked at what happened to their neighbors after electing far right nutjobs, mainly to get rid of immigrants, and decided maybe it's not worth it.

to be clear, the liberal party also is planning to do a significant cut in amount of immigration allowed. though I'm pretty sure we're not wandering around gathering them up and kicking them out

A great day for Canada and therefore the world.

Ivynn posted...

A great day for Canada and therefore the world.

Trump winning election might have putna stop to the right wing pendulum swing that is/was happening globally at a fast rate.

But why the fuck did it have to be us in the USA especially Black people who have to bear the brunt of this?

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It's lookinglike a liberal minority goverment.

One of the best conservative vote totals ever but the total ndp implosion is why the liberals win. Insane, Singh is more liked by liberals than ndp voters now

Eat_More_Beef posted...

I normally don't brag about political stuff, but I cannot wait to shove P.P. losing his fucking seat in the faces of all those smug conservative people.

Like, ever since Harper they've been taking L's and it's glorious (although, I predict in 3 years, Doug Ford will win the head of the conservative party, and eventually P.M. for Canada).

Ford would be like watching you guys go through a Trump or Boris Johnson like figure.

From Chretien to cretin.

A strong minority was the best I could hope for. Keeps ndp and green relevant. They are stronger even without party status. Liberals need to learn better about strategic voting when ndp is the incumbent.

Liberals will need to choose the speaker from the other parties.

Pitbuller_26 posted...

Trump winning election might have putna stop to the right wing pendulum swing that is/was happening globally at a fast rate.

But why the fuck did it have to be us in the USA especially Black people who have to bear the brunt of this?

We had to take the fall as Americans in order to shock the rest of the world into taking the imminent threat to their own sovereignty seriously, unfortunately. The only silver lining is that Donnies losing his mind lately due to the public turning against him.

Shouldn't have to terrify the world into self-investment and NATO obligations.

Can't be surprised the results, 8 years of Liberal gov't, enough ppl voted change regardless the party leaders.
Carney needs to show many blue voters he's up to the job.

Thankfully we'll get to do this all over again in November... bless our angry politics who can't see that minority gov't doesn't mean a broken one.

McmadnessV3 posted...

Well its not a majority government but with the difference in seats the libs should be able to get things done with help from the NDP and Green.

Yep, + Carney is economically progressive conservative... Thankfully the Harper-JT infighting era is now well in the rearview.
New NDP & Con leadership to reflect this will help.

End results...

Libs - obviously they wanted a majority, but they snatched victory from the jaws of defeat due to Carney being solid, Trudeau getting booted, and, of course, Trump. Should be in a strong position to have a stable minority government provided that they play nice with NDP and the Bloc (and Carney's already spoken about his respect for Quebecois heritage and language rights, so safe bet he'll be a very pro-Quebec premier).

Tories - the resurgence of the Libs is a disaster for them. The Tories won the popular vote the last two times, but without the albatross of Trudeau the Libs remained electable and widely understood as tbe obvious anti-Tory party. With Trump and Trumpism here for the long haul, the Tories are going to be stuck dealing with a huge segment of the population not trusting a right-wing party intrinsically. That being said, they still got a sizable amount of the vote and increased their number of seats, so they are still poised to pounce if Carney falters. Have to imagine that they have a new leadership battle, though, and "there's always next time" isn't very soothing of a message after a fourth straight loss.

Bloc - lost ground overall, but the end result is them being a critical faction in Ottawa in helping Carney pass laws. Could serve as a huge roadblock on things they hate and could easily be strategic and get a load of pro-Quebec laws passed if they play their cards right.

NDP - the biggest losers. Got Orange Crushed. Tiny minority. Lost official party status. Hard to see where they go from here, and a lot will depend on who their next leader is. But hey... almost nowhere to go than up?

Greens - May assuredly was hoping she could be the 172nd vote to allow for a Lib coalition to exert as much influence as possible, but given the Libs having a big minority they should be safe strategically getting NDP/Bloc votes so as to not exclusively rely on her.

People's - lol

Yeah, had orange man just been an annoying prick, the Tories would be forming a government now. Instead, the dumb ass put opposition to American annexation as an actual tangible stance for a party to take rather than a fringe conspiracy theory. I have a hard time imagining that that genie's going back in the bottle for at least a generation even if we down here all become sane unexpectedly.

The three biggest factors:

1) Trump
2) Trudeau stepping down, and Carney stepping up, and
3) Singh not stepping down.

Those poisoned Tory chances, revitalized Lib chances, and sank public support for NDP.

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Even then, I think they could have pulled it off if Poilievre had handled it remotely competently and just immediately denounced Trump instead of waiting to see which way the winds would blow.

Look at Doug Ford. Came out swinging against Trump, and gets to keep running Ontario as a result.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Even then, I think they could have pulled it off if Poilievre had handled it remotely competently and just immediately denounced Trump instead of waiting to see which way the winds would blow.

Look at Doug Ford. Came out swinging against Trump, and gets to keep running Ontario as a result.

I think the issue here is that PP tied his wagon to MAGA, his campaign manager was pure MAGA and even had a picture of herself in a MAGA hat floating around. So she likely had a hand in that, I imagine.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Look at Doug Ford. Came out swinging against Trump, and gets to keep running Ontario as a result.

Much to my irritation.

One thing that's not exactly comforting is BC's return to voting Conservative (*especially* after how close their provincial election just was). The fact that the election results show that a ton of people went from NDP -> Conservative is insane.

Also the Con's gains in the GTA (sitting at like 41% last I remember seeing) are a worrying sign as well, especially knowing a lot of that is coming from groupings that will just continue to grow.

Bio1590 posted...

One thing that's not exactly comforting is BC's return to voting Conservative (*especially* after how close their provincial election just was). The fact that the election results show that a ton of people went from NDP -> Conservative is insane.

Also the Con's gains in the GTA (sitting at like 41% last I remember seeing) are a worrying sign as well, especially knowing a lot of that is coming from groupings that will just continue to grow.

A lot of what you saw in BC was due to split votes between the Liberals and NDP. A lot of ridings that had NDP incumbents swapped to Liberal or Conservative but still had people showing up for the incumbent.

People are idiots remember and don't follow politics particularly well, let alone look at polling to help them determine if they need to vote strategically. The BC provincial election last year was ample proof of how ignorant they can be.

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Look at Doug Ford. Came out swinging against Trump, and gets to keep running Ontario as a result.

The CPC currently has 44.5% of the vote share in Ontario. The LPC may have 49.4% but that's nowhere near a denouncement of the CPC/PP and its strategy/relative embracement of MAGA.

Like, 44.5% is just higher than the 44.4% the CPC carried Ontario with in the 2011 election when the CPC won a majority, and the CPC won 73 of 106 seats in the province.

I'm annoyed at FPTP voting, as usual. The Conservative in my riding won with a whopping ~35% of the vote, because the Liberals (runner up), NDP (incumbent), and Greens split the vote on the left. As such, one of the most left-wing ridings in the entire fucking country flipped blue.

Anyways, I will be very interested to see what PP's fate is. On the one hand, the Conservatives had their strongest election night in a long time - even Harper didn't pull in a popular vote score that big. That would suggest there may be benefit to the Cons to keeping Poilievre around and that may save his neck. In most years, the Cons would have cruised to victory by securing that many votes, and it was only an even stronger Liberal campaign that stymied them; had the NDP and, to a lesser extent, the Bloc not collapsed and allowed the left vote to coalesce around the Liberals, it is very possible that PP may have wound up as the new PM.

However, despite their impressive results, it's also hard to ignore that this was their most eminently winnable election in decades and they completely flubbed it. While they couldn't control the Trump factor, it's hard to deny that PP ran an absolutely atrocious campaign and never really pivoted from fighting Trudeau, even when Trudeau wasn't there to fight anymore. Poilievre could have switched up to be an anti-American attack dog, a la Doug Ford, but never really succeeded in convincing Canadians that he was the man to take on Trump. His parroting of Trump's style, right down to the one-liners and childish, playground insults is one of the most bizarre campaign decisions I've ever seen in living memory.

The fact he couldn't even hold his own seat also does him no favours. The party brass might decide he is a weight on the party and cut him loose (and, honestly, good riddance).

darkknight109 posted...

The fact he couldn't even hold his own seat also does him no favours. The party brass might decide he is a weight on the party and cut him loose (and, honestly, good riddance).

A civil war in the Conservative party is currently brewing. The fact that Poilievre lost his seat is the only thing that might avoid it as it'll be easier to boot him out now. There was absolutely a fight being prepared for. One of Poilievres allies last night went HARD at Doug Ford and then Poilievres speech, it was pretty clear.

Hopefully the party though does go to war, the more dirty and long lasting it is the better.

Enclave posted...

A lot of what you saw in BC was due to split votes between the Liberals and NDP. A lot of ridings that had NDP incumbents swapped to Liberal or Conservative but still had people showing up for the incumbent.

People are idiots remember and don't follow politics particularly well, let alone look at polling to help them determine if they need to vote strategically. The BC provincial election last year was ample proof of how ignorant they can be.

Not even talking about split votes - BC is currently sitting at 41.6% CPC for popular vote, which is their best showing since the 2011 election.

Bio1590 posted...

Not even talking about split votes - BC is currently sitting at 41.6% CPC for popular vote, which is their best showing since the 2011 election.

Ah, that's what you meant, it's a tad concerning but I wouldn't put too much stock in it. This was a really odd year.

A reminder to all those who aren't Canadian, that the Conservatives are really the only right wing party at all anymore in Canada. There WAS a small splinter group (and they still exist) but they get like, less than 0.7% of the vote or something?

Meanwhile, the "left" has the Liberals (they are technically more Centerist), NDP, and Green Party.

So if you are just not Right Wing, you have 3 potential options.

Was it actually a strong liberal campaign or did Singh just completely destroy the ndp

the_crow13 posted...

Was it actually a strong liberal campaign or did Singh just completely destroy the ndp

It was largely strategic voting that did in the NDP.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

A reminder to all those who aren't Canadian, that the Conservatives are really the only right wing party at all anymore in Canada. There WAS a small splinter group (and they still exist) but they get like, less than 0.7% of the vote or something?

Technically there are a couple right wing parties because Canada officially will have like 5-8 candidates running in many ridings, but the only ones that really matter will be the liberal party, and depending where you live, NDP or maybe the one riding that typically goes Green. Even the Conservative Party really should be 2-3 separate parties, given its a conglomeration of every random nutcase that would fall under "conservative" - but if they did they'd never win anything so that's unlikely to happen.

The PPC was on the upswing, getting about 5% of the national popular vote in the 2021 election (an increase from 2019), but not focused enough to grant any seats. They've been pretty quiet since Covid ended, so we'll have to wait and see until all the votes are fully counted to see if they made any ground this time. Pollievre also leaned into the far-right conservative base pretty hard, which probably would have eaten away at much of the PPC's base.

Enclave posted...

It was largely strategic voting that did in the NDP.

Singh hasn't really been popular for a while - he comes off as attention-grabby and nobody is really sure what the NDP is actually supposed to represent with him at the helm, because he's taken a lot of the emphasis off of like, strong unions.

But yeah, the thing that really did the NDP in was a lot of people in NDP ridings strategically trying to vote liberal to be anti-conservative, which ironically gave a lot of those seats to the otherwise more distant conservative.

Jeff_AKA_Snoopy posted...

A reminder to all those who aren't Canadian, that the Conservatives are really the only right wing party at all anymore in Canada. There WAS a small splinter group (and they still exist) but they get like, less than 0.7% of the vote or something?

Meanwhile, the "left" has the Liberals (they are technically more Centerist), NDP, and Green Party.

So if you are just not Right Wing, you have 3 potential options.

I would argue 2. I don't think the Green Party has ever gotten enough votes to be viable in any election. They are mostly there just to get a couple seats to get their voice heard, rather than gain actual power.