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lilORANG 04/26/25 1:21:52 PM #1: |
https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/jury-colorado-fatal-rock-throwing-trial-joseph-koen**-guilty-murder/ the * in the link is an i and g bc lol Gamefaqs Caved the victim's head in. EMT who responded retired shortly after this bc the scene was so traumatizing. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 04/26/25 1:35:37 PM #2: |
Surprised they managed to prove intent to kill with an incident like that. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. Let in the refugees, deport the racists. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 04/26/25 1:37:41 PM #3: |
I think this exact situation has happened multiple times over the years. Kids don't understand how dangerous it is. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/25 1:38:15 PM #4: |
ai123 posted... Surprised they managed to prove intent to kill with an incident like that.Yeah. He clearly killed someone with his actions but the shock to me was that 1st degree stuck. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 04/26/25 1:39:51 PM #5: |
Topic title made me think that he just had a rock in his hand and threw it. Reckless and stupid, but still just an accident. But the article describes three teens intentionally throwing large landscaping rocks at cars. They injured multiple people, and the last kid to throw one killed somebody. So yeah, no sympathy. This was murder. WTF even possessed them to do this in the first place?? --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBBAN 04/26/25 1:40:57 PM #6: |
lilORANG posted... the * in the link is an i and g bc lol Gamefaqs they censor the word Koenig? --- Kremlin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 04/26/25 1:41:24 PM #7: |
ROBBAN posted... they censor the word Koenig? Yes --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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evilpresident 04/26/25 1:42:16 PM #8: |
ROBBAN posted... they censor the word Koenig?Probably takes offense at the last three letters --- Corruption that you can believe in. (She/her) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 04/26/25 1:43:01 PM #9: |
not if you turn auto censor off in settings lmao --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 04/09/25; hg black knight squad cal -re. a ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hospy 04/26/25 1:43:40 PM #10: |
Doesnt feel good how the conviction was based off the two accomplices accusing the third guy of doing it when one of them admits that all three were throwing rocks. Though I guess the other two are still being locked up for a good amount of time. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBBAN 04/26/25 1:43:55 PM #11: |
Hejiru posted... Yes evilpresident posted... Probably takes offense at the last three letters it worked for me without issue oh, right, i forgot auto censor is something you can turn off and on --- Kremlin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 04/26/25 1:48:00 PM #12: |
Hospy posted... Doesnt feel good how the conviction was based off the two accomplices accusing the third guy of doing it when one of them admits that all three were throwing rocks. Though I guess the other two are still being locked up for a good amount of time. They were all three trying to kill people, but only one was successful. Legally that makes a big difference but I dont think it should. Intent matters. --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/25 1:48:15 PM #13: |
evilpresident posted... Probably takes offense at the last three lettersCorrect. Very silly --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ROBBAN 04/26/25 1:49:32 PM #14: |
Hejiru posted... They were all three trying to kill people, but only one was successful. i believe that's called "attempted murder" --- Kremlin delenda est ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tyranthraxus 04/26/25 1:50:43 PM #15: |
ai123 posted... Surprised they managed to prove intent to kill with an incident like that.You don't have to prove intent to kill, just intent to cause potentially fatal harm. Like if instead he'd fired guns at moving cars, it would probably be less ambiguous. He likely didn't think it would result in death but murder first degree is strict liability so it doesn't matter what he thought. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://i.imgur.com/dQgC4kv.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonPhoenix 04/26/25 1:57:45 PM #16: |
lilORANG posted... Caved the victim's head in. EMT who responded retired shortly after this bc the scene was so traumatizing.They must've been new or from a quiet town, I guess >_> you get used to seeing that shit eventually. Someone has to deal with the mess --- https://imgur.com/u2HR4nG ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 04/26/25 2:01:49 PM #17: |
ROBBAN posted... i believe that's called "attempted murder" Right, but I just feel like there shouldnt be a distinction, legally. We send people to prison because theyre a danger to society. If I was to shoot someone, Im just as big a danger to society whether they survive or not. The victims survival would be based on luck and medical care. Both are irrelevant to the shooters mentality. --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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realnifty1 04/26/25 2:02:03 PM #18: |
Tyranthraxus posted... You don't have to prove intent to kill, just intent to cause potentially fatal harm. Slightly varies from state to state, but one of the usual hallmarks of 1st degree is that it requires intent and premeditation. So yes, in most cases you do have to prove that they intended to kill someone for 1st degree. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 04/26/25 2:04:32 PM #19: |
How do you prove intent to actually murder in this case? Like, yes, it's murder but murder 1 seems like it would have been REALLY hard to actually prove. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GiftedACIII 04/26/25 2:06:50 PM #20: |
Must be a hell of a prosecutor to prove killing intent with that. --- </topic> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 04/26/25 2:07:32 PM #21: |
oh and they weren't just throwing little rocks. from what I read on a reddit post about this, they were throwing 5-10 pound landscaping stones. --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/25 2:09:22 PM #22: |
GiftedACIII posted... Must be a hell of a prosecutor to prove killing intent with that.Juries are unpredictable. Entirely possible they saw some pics of victim's brains splattered and decided right there to light the guy up. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Solar_Crimson 04/26/25 2:11:02 PM #23: |
The defense stressed that Koenig wasn't fully aware of the consequences of his actions.Oh, fuck off with this shit. Glad the jury didn't fall for this. --- "Be good to yourself, because everyone else in the world is probably out to get you." - Dr. Harleen Quinzel ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 04/26/25 2:11:05 PM #24: |
I dont really give a fuck about intent, thats so rage-inducing of a crime that Id vote for a first degree conviction if I was on a jury. And if the death scene was as gruesome as described, dont underestimate extremely graphic photos to sway a jury to a harsh conviction, too. --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 04/26/25 2:11:46 PM #25: |
Hejiru posted... Topic title made me think that he just had a rock in his hand and threw it. Reckless and stupid, but still just an accident.Same. Then I got to "head caved in" and figured there were some details I was missing. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Enclave 04/26/25 2:13:17 PM #26: |
Okay, so 5-10 lbs stones, that'll do it. Hard to not intend to murder people with that situation. --- The commercial says that Church isn't for perfect people, I guess that's why I'm an atheist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 04/26/25 2:14:17 PM #27: |
thronedfire2 posted... oh and they weren't just throwing little rocks. from what I read on a reddit post about this, they were throwing 5-10 pound landscaping stones. https://denvergazette.com/news/courts/colorado-first-responder-trauma-suffered-alexa-bartell-homicide/ article_d71d5dc8-d38b-445c-9989-adfe73018d6a.amp.html Also it wasn't like they threw a rock, saw someone get hurt, and then stopped. They kept doing it until someone died. https://www.dailycamera.com/2023/04/20/boulder-jefferson-counties-investigating-death-connected-to-series-of-rock-throwing-incidents/ Oh and they took a photo of what they did https://apnews.com/article/colorado-driver-rock-throwing-death-9ed6bb5ef63212cd58a6d51e94596f18 --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hospy 04/26/25 2:24:05 PM #28: |
Hejiru posted... They were all three trying to kill people, but only one was successful.The issue I have is that the guy #1 says that guy #2 threw the murder rock, but guy #2 and guy #3 said that guy #1 threw the murder rock, guy #3 says they were all throwing rocks and that guy #2 said he didn't throw any rocks. So the court is more or less going on the word of at least one liar that that specific guy was actually the real rock thrower. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KiwiTerraRizing 04/26/25 2:30:08 PM #29: |
lilORANG posted... Yeah. He clearly killed someone with his actions but the shock to me was that 1st degree stuck. Juries are prone to believe charges are legit. --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/25 2:35:19 PM #30: |
KiwiTerraRizing posted... Juries are prone to believe charges are legit.I think they feel a certain burden to convict in homicide cases bc the stakes feel very real when there is a clearly defined deceased person. They feel there needs to be accountability in some way. On adult rape cases? Absolutely not. Juries rarely believe women and acquit those dudes all the time. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu 04/26/25 2:38:09 PM #31: |
DrizztLink posted... Same. Yeah, you can't throw big pieces of construction debris that far either, so they were probably more dropping it from a highway overpass or something. You don't want a big piece of artificial stone entering your windshield at 55+ mph. --- I am the Hunter of Topics. My post never fails to kill its prey. *pounces* Nyaa! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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party_animal07 04/26/25 2:42:22 PM #32: |
I remember this story. Feels like it was forever ago. --- https://warpzone.me/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/GRANDIA_-696x509.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ItsNotA2Mer 04/26/25 2:44:21 PM #33: |
Gotta say, the topic title is incredibly misleading. --- It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in. (He/Him). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ConfusedTorchic 04/26/25 3:02:09 PM #34: |
Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted... Yeah, you can't throw big pieces of construction debris that far either, so they were probably more dropping it from a highway overpass or something.https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/d/d33c3425.jpg no overpass. they were just standing on the side of the road. --- see my gundams here https://imgur.com/a/F7xKM5r updated 04/09/25; hg black knight squad cal -re. a ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth_C_Ryu 04/26/25 3:11:44 PM #35: |
Looks like a highway nonetheless. Hurling chunks of rock or rockish material at high speed cars is still very not nice, to put it mildly. --- I am the Hunter of Topics. My post never fails to kill its prey. *pounces* Nyaa! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 04/26/25 3:17:02 PM #37: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] It's a case of minimalization. As written it can be interpreted as something like "kid throws pebble, driver panics and fatally crashes," which absolutely would still be on the kid but still a somewhat different scenario. Instead we've got a guy with a head caved in, so the title doesn't particularly highlight the severity. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 04/26/25 3:21:00 PM #39: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] I haven't checked the title but I figure "10lb stone" would have been sufficient, if it fits. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HANGtheDJ_86 04/26/25 3:28:34 PM #40: |
Enclave posted... Hard to not intend to murder people with that situation.You're failing to look at it from outside of your own perspective --- I feel well put ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TentacleDemon 04/26/25 3:36:40 PM #41: |
Solar_Crimson posted... Oh, fuck off with this shit. Glad the jury didn't fall for this. Exactly. This is like firing a gun into a crowd and saying "I didn't mean to kill anyone." --- I wish I had walked in here and you were taking a dump on the couch, or doing homework. Anything would be better than that. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSj4Wingzero 04/26/25 3:38:54 PM #42: |
Hospy posted... The issue I have is that the guy #1 says that guy #2 threw the murder rock, but guy #2 and guy #3 said that guy #1 threw the murder rock, guy #3 says they were all throwing rocks and that guy #2 said he didn't throw any rocks. Simple solution is to hang em all --- Not changing this sig until the Knicks win the NBA Championship! Started 4/23/2010! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ItsNotA2Mer 04/26/25 4:11:56 PM #43: |
DrizztLink posted... It's a case of minimalization. This. --- It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in. (He/Him). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 04/26/25 4:13:20 PM #44: |
SSj4Wingzero posted... Simple solution is to hang em allIf they did that they wouldn't have been able to secure the testimony of the 2 accomplices to convict the 3rd guy. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Garioshi 04/26/25 4:20:15 PM #45: |
Yeah, I don't care who you are or how uneducated you are. If you throw rocks at moving cars, you are attemping murder. --- "I play with myself" - Darklit_Minuet, 2018 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hospy 04/26/25 4:41:41 PM #46: |
lilORANG posted... If they did that they wouldn't have been able to secure the testimony of the 2 accomplices to convict the 3rd guy.We don't even know if the third guy was the guy who threw the actual rock, it's based entirely upon the testimony of two other guys, of whom at least one is lying. Just seems wrong to charge one guy more than the other two when they were all throwing multiple rocks at cars. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BewmHedshot 04/26/25 4:48:47 PM #47: |
46 posts about 'how hard it must've been to prove intent' and nobody looked up the actual charges? Apparently this was "first-degree murder with extreme indifference" which doesn't require intent to kill a specific person. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 04/26/25 5:18:03 PM #49: |
BewmHedshot posted... 46 posts about 'how hard it must've been to prove intent' and nobody looked up the actual charges? Apparently this was "first-degree murder with extreme indifference" which doesn't require intent to kill a specific person. People just don't like to read and would rather react to the title. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 04/26/25 5:28:18 PM #50: |
Hejiru posted... Topic title made me think that he just had a rock in his hand and threw it. Reckless and stupid, but still just an accident.Yeah, I was really confused about the Murder I charges sticking as it was described. --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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