Current Events > Is Windows 11 better than Windows 10?

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It has to happen someday.

8 and 10 are better than 11

11 is one of the worst OS ever created

It's far from MicroSoft's worst, but it's definitely a noticeable downgrade in a lot of ways.

Im more of a Mac person myself.

We have to "upgrade" to Windows 11 at work this year, and it sucks from a software compatibility standpoint. Too many of our lab systems work on anything from Windows 98 to Windows 10, but Windows 11 is too doodoo face to be compatible.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

8 and 10 are better than 11

11 is one of the worst OS ever created

How so?

It fucking sucks, I'm holding out till the bitter last hour. Even at work.

voldothegr8 posted...

It fucking sucks, I'm holding out till the bitter last hour. Even at work.

What is your last resort? Probably Windows 11, sadly.

I said same, but probably No. I am using it because I got a new laptop last year, but I remember my old computers said they couldn't run Win11. It doesn't seem that different than 10. I am sure there are under the hood things I don't notice or odd quirks, that I just accept by now.

tldr I mean Windows 7 was probably the best version of Windows ever some ppl still use that :D

Kamil posted...

I said same, but probably No. I am using it because I got a new laptop last year, but I remember my old computers said they couldn't run Win11. It doesn't seem that different than 10. I am sure there are under the hood things I don't notice or odd quirks, that I just accept by now.

tldr I mean Windows 7 was probably the best version of Windows ever some ppl still use that :D

SadlyI had to retire my Windows Vista laptop. Malwayrebytes was complicit in that, I hate to say.

No

MI4_REAL posted...

How so?

intrusive full screen gamepass/office ads when rebooting after updates
gamepass ad popups in notifications when exiting games
garbage inconsistent UI
forced microsoft account use
constant onedrive begging even if you already have it in use
forcing whatever new gimmick onto your taskbar
etc, etc

MI4_REAL posted...

SadlyI had to retire my Windows Vista laptop. Malwayrebytes was complicit in that, I hate to say.

Oh crap you got 10k Karma! Anyways my older laptop still works but it is all fricked up. Just for various reasons. It originally ran Windows 8 base with a full touchscreen. The touchscreen was a nice novelty, but I didn't need it :D I would sometimes forget I could touch it when I pointed something out to ppl.

I mean there is Linux. And Linux-Windows cross compatibility is actually half-decent these days.

Some modern Linux desktop shells are really well designed.

We do have some systems that are data-restore-only that run Windows 7, and as it turns out, one of our lab groups has some Liquid Scintillation Counters that still run DOS software from the early '90s and are still connected to dot matrix printers.

MI4_REAL posted...

What is your last resort? Probably Windows 11, sadly.

No shit. Doesn't change the fact it fucking sucks. Motherfuckers working at MS justifying their existence with double right click menus. I can't wait them to justify their existence by fixing that horrible mistake.

I continued to use Windows 7 until Steam forced me to change.

Nope 10 is better. But If 7 was still alive I'd still be using that over both of them.

11 is bad but it's not as bad as going from 7 to 8

There will always be complainers

10 > 11 > 8

The main thing I dislike about windows 11 is how it handles updates but thats a holdover from Windows 10. They are introducing a new update mechanism for business editions I think which will make updates behave a little more similar to linux updates, I'm unsure if thats carrying across to Windows home etc but it will make updates a bit less hostile

For the most part things seem fine to me. I've grown mostly accustomed to the new settings menu, so as they move stuff around more its less of a drama for me

Tyranthraxus posted...

11 is bad but it's not as bad as going from 7 to 8

That was massive. Windows 8 was designed I think for their failed Windows phone and they just shoe horned it into every other system whether it was a PC or Laptop. It was really dumb. Windows 8.1 eventually made it better, but it still was a dumb release.

Windows 11 is the one thing I'm dreading having to deal with when I set up my new laptop. Sounds like it's going to be a massive pain in the arse.

Trumpo posted...

There will always be complainers

On the flip side of that coin, there will always be "yes daddy Microsoft, this is sooooo much better"

I like my jagged edges, pointy corners, and bleak aesthetics, so Windows 98 remains my "most pleasing appearance" OS. I loved Windows 7 and have no problems with Windows 10, but Windows 11 with its round corners and bright visuals can go suck eggs.

I think Bill Gates can shove it as much as the next person and I know Linux has gotten easier to use, but I am just a Windows guy, I guess. Windows 11 doesn't seem that different than 10 other than that backpedaling and then forced again upgrading issue. That does seem shitty.

Windows 11 is horrible. I'm not even wasting my time listing the dozens of ways it's complete shit. Even time I boot up my new(ish) laptop I have to resist the urge to throw it out the window (no pun intended). I fucking HATE Windows 11.

Protip: Use Windows 11 LTSC. It's just Windows 11 without any Microsoft ecosystem or Copilot AI bullshit. On its own, I like W11 better than W10 mainly for its design language. If Microsoft actually gave a shit about consistently adopting Fluent Design they'd probably end up with the best-looking operating system since OS X Leopard through Mavericks.

i have 10 on my laptop and 11 is on my desktop(that i'm using now). i built this desktop a few years ago and migrated my windows 10 from an old laptop to this and said screw it i'll do the free upgrade to 11 and instantly regretted it. i've gotten used to it and end up using 11 like 90% of the time since i barely use my laptop anymore unless i wanna use it while sitting on my couch. but i'm keeping 10 on my laptop till i get forced to upgrade. was hoping microsoft would just some stuff to let you customize stuff to work like 10 without having to mod stuff to do it.

voldothegr8 posted...

On the flip side of that coin, there will always be "yes daddy Microsoft, this is sooooo much better"

I recall having a conversation with a colleague about W10 being better. He literally was like; "yeah, but docking and multi-destops are pretty innovative".

These feature have been done better on Linux for well over a decade if not longer.

The interface for it is also needlessly frustrating. Youre not beating Gnome. Just copy and the past the way it was done there and be done with it.

10 was way better

I remember my laptop from Windows 8.3 or w/e it was forced to upgrade to Windows 10 and I was like cool. Thank goodness. Windows 10 seemed like it was designed for a computer and not a phone or tablet. The forced update was strange but uhh it happened.

RasterGraphic posted...

The interface for it is also needlessly frustrating. Youre not beating Gnome. Just copy and the past the way it was done there and be done with it.

GNOME is my favorite Linux DE but unless you're well-versed in keyboard shortcuts it's a huge pain in the ass when it comes to multitasking.

CRON posted...

GNOME is my favorite Linux DE but unless you're well-versed in keyboard shortcuts it's a huge pain in the ass when it comes to multitasking.

Yeah shitty as Win11 is, it's still the less hassle free option. There are uses for Linux, gaming rigs and general home use isn't one of them.

voldothegr8 posted...

Yeah shitty as Win11 is, it's still the less hassle free option. There are uses for Linux, gaming rigs and general home use isn't one of them.

Tbh Linux is perfect at this point for basic normie home usage. If all you do is web browsing, media consumption, email and basic productivity any of the major distros and DEs are fine.

CRON posted...

GNOME is my favorite Linux DE but unless you're well-versed in keyboard shortcuts it's a huge pain in the ass when it comes to multitasking.

Agree to disagree. I think I have like 3 shortcuts memorized in total and can whip around desktops like nobodies business.

Every other time I try to multitask on Windows 11 I'm finding myself having to look up how to tab desktops because I did it accidently.

On most GNOME setups you can actually most everything with the mouse. Which I know is cringe for a Linux user - but even just mousing around is so much more responsive and intuitive.

Why the heck can't I pin a window to remain on top of everything? Thats a GNOME feature that's hard to live without once you use it a lot.

It's awful and I miss classic Windows interfaces and I hate they removed them as an option even

I've been fine with the aesthetic differences between 11 and 10, but one thing I like about 11 is that you can put off Windows updates for up to 5 weeks. I can live with installing updates and rebooting once a month, handled manually. But I could never find a way to disable auto updates Windows 10. Stop / disable services? They get restarted. Registry setting suggestions? Ignored. Home version, so no group policy settings.

Wake up one morning to find my machine rebooted for updates, losing various open windows. Then it starts nagging again a couple days later.

Glad I found out I could prevent the auto reboots with a stream running. I keep a 144p 24/7 YouTube stream running when I'm not there to prevent the reboots. System still nags about it, but I'll do it on my own schedule, thanks. Sucks when the stream craps out, but that doesn't happen too often. Also used that streaming trick to block my last employer's 15 minute screen lock on their computers. Living along and working from home during the pandemic, didn't need the screen to lock out.

I upgraded to 11 on my desktop a couple months ago. No real complaints yet.

voldothegr8 posted...

There are uses for Linux, gaming rigs and general home use isn't one of them.

Linux is perfect for gaming and home use...

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

Linux is perfect for gaming

If there was any proof it isn't true, this is it.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

Linux is perfect for gaming

maybe on opposite day

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

intrusive full screen gamepass/office ads when rebooting after updates
gamepass ad popups in notifications when exiting games
garbage inconsistent UI
forced microsoft account use
constant onedrive begging even if you already have it in use
forcing whatever new gimmick onto your taskbar
etc, etc

this is a user error because literally none of that is a problem i face

good job sucking at using a computer

I figure by now. Linux can run a lot of things, it could probably run GOG or Steam right?

I am just not an intellectual enough to install Linux and just use it. I did some quick research and well

How-To Geek https://www.howtogeek.com how-to-get-gog-galaxy-on-linux
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Oh I just wanted to copy the text, but uhh anyway. I cleaned it up a little.

Rika_Furude posted...

maybe on opposite day

Everything that isn't some garbo live service battle pass micro-transaction filled game runs better than it does on Windows

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

8 and 10 are better than 11

11 is one of the worst OS ever created

You guys said this when 10 came out though

AnsestralRecall posted...

this is a user error because literally none of that is a problem i face

good job sucking at using a computer

the ads objectively exist

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/537a232d.jpg
The UI is, objectively, inconsistent. Some parts don't conform to dark settings (like file properties and old settings menus). There are several different styles of modern UIs.

Every user of W11 gets garbage like co-pilot slapped onto their taskbar automatically

There is no "user error" because it happens to everyone

This is probably one only the only times I agree with MagicMarth.

Both installing and playing games on Linux is pretty dead simple. Hell, the last distro I used came with a custom launcher that connects to both Steam and GoG.

The games will often run better well, because W11 is needlessly bloated and up until recently had an aweful screen manager that chopped performance down even further.

I shouldn't go from playing Space Engine on a Valve Index with full fps, to not being able to run VR at all.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

Everything that isn't some garbo live service battle pass micro-transaction filled game runs better than it does on Windows

nope

Yes, yes it is. It's just 10 with a nicer UI and some easily removed extra bloat. 10 was full of bloat too.

I cannot fathom though why people are so attached to the classic hierarchical Start Menu. It takes fucking forever to drill down into hierarchical menus with a mouse. Just hit the Windows key and start typing the program you want, it's infinitely faster, and then it doesn't matter what the Start Menu looks like. I've been doing it that way since Windows 7 at the very latest.