Current Events > Neil Gaiman is Suing Accuser Caroline Wallmer for $500k, Claims She Breached NDA

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refmon
04/21/25 1:17:36 PM
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https://www.vulture.com/article/neil-gaiman-nda-caroline-wallner.html

I thought NDAs couldnt cover crimes

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PraetorXyn
04/21/25 1:19:55 PM
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Im glad I never read anything from this douchebag. I was dissuaded from doing so when he went on his sanctimonious George R. R. Martin is not your bitch thing, but this scandal really doubled that down.

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Tyranthraxus
04/21/25 1:20:53 PM
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Unless he specifically paid her to keep quiet about it whatever NDA she signed is clearly out of scope for this lawsuit.

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voldothegr8
04/21/25 1:22:55 PM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
Unless he specifically paid her to keep quiet about it whatever NDA she signed is clearly out of scope for this lawsuit.
She was paid hush money. Which makes this even more insane.

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Mussurana
04/21/25 1:27:15 PM
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I agree with her lawyer, the optics are terrible. Looks like a desperation move.

Full disclosure: I've read a quite a few of Gaiman's novels, enjoyed them, and recommended them to others.

This is no longer the case naturally.

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Golden_Key33
04/21/25 1:31:48 PM
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I read this as he was suing Warhammer 50K and was confused for a number of reasons.

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LightSnake
04/21/25 1:34:04 PM
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Reminder: Neil Gaiman raped Catherine Wallner. He held a threat of destitution and homelessness over her and her kids if she didn't have sex with him.

This is a narcissist trying to terrorize and punish her for speaking out. The difficulty being this is a request for arbitration and legally he might be able to make her life more difficult.

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evilpresident
04/21/25 1:34:32 PM
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Golden_Key33 posted...
I read this as he was suing Warhammer 50K and was confused for a number of reasons.
In the grim darkness of the future, there is only war. And NDAs

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evilpresident
04/21/25 1:35:28 PM
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Also Coraline is one of my favourite movies ever and now I can't even watch it anymore without being reminded of what a dickhead Gaiman is.

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lilORANG
04/21/25 2:04:35 PM
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So is he no longer denying the rape?


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Baron_Ox
04/21/25 2:05:31 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...


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rick_alverado
04/21/25 2:10:16 PM
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If someone is accusing you of something, and rather than saying, "It's not true," you say "You weren't supposed to tell anyone," that kind of says a lot...
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AceMos
04/21/25 2:10:27 PM
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what the fuck is this shit

youd think it would be defamation which would still be evil but would at least have some logic to it

but violating a NDA

that just is basically him admitting guilt

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lydiaquayle
04/21/25 2:14:23 PM
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refmon posted...
I thought NDAs couldnt cover crimes
Certain types of sexual misconduct or sexual harassment aren't considered crimes.

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UnfairRepresent
04/21/25 2:16:53 PM
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This one stings

He seemed like a cool guy for years.

Never meet your heroes I guess

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Prestoff
04/21/25 2:18:55 PM
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I used to read a lot of his materials as well. Fuck this guy.

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Hayame_Zero
04/21/25 2:36:36 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?
There are multiple women that corroborated the same behavior.

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Funkydog
04/21/25 2:42:05 PM
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Doubling down on being a fucking monster.

Glad the Pratchett estate cut all ties with him, but does make me sad that I feel I shouldn't watch Good Omens anymore.

Hopefully he faces actual justice though other than losing a few book/show deals.

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Solar_Crimson
04/21/25 2:42:30 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?
Are you deleting your posts or are you getting modded?

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Prestoff
04/21/25 2:43:06 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?

Who's alt are you?

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A_Good_Boy
04/21/25 2:43:19 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?
Has he actually denied anything? I'm completely out of the loop on this whole thing.

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thenotoriouscat
04/21/25 2:44:02 PM
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Prestoff posted...
Who is alt are you?


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HighSeraph
04/21/25 2:45:15 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?
I have the feeling you wouldn't care if there was definitive proof, you'd come up with some other reason to attack the rape victim.

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creativerealms
04/21/25 2:45:40 PM
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Oh good a reminder not to watch Sandman season two because I don't want to support a piece of shit.

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thenotoriouscat
04/21/25 2:56:46 PM
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If there was anything illegal or unlawful done, then take it to the proper authorities and have them investigate the allegations to see what the conclusions are,.

The court of public opinion is not anywhere near an actual court.

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bsp77
04/21/25 2:59:25 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?
Let's see how long you last. Probably just an alt though

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-Crissaegrim-
04/21/25 3:01:23 PM
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Given the accusations, I'd say the list of things Neil Gaiman has breached is MUCH worse.

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thenotoriouscat
04/21/25 3:08:40 PM
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Until it gets to court, allegations they must remain. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

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ModernPost
04/21/25 3:14:53 PM
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There is absolutely no way an NDA could ever be enforced if it involved covering up something criminal. There's the blatantly obvious possibility of coercion and/or intimidation. It's a desperate move by a desperate man. I can't imagine any court would entertain this for one second. Truly reprehensible.

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EPR-radar
04/21/25 3:14:59 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
Until it gets to court, allegations they must remain. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
Nope. Court is court and real life is real life.

In court, accusations must be proved beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury because the defendant's freedom is at stake.

Outside of court, nobody's freedom is at stake, so there's no need for such a high standard. If it's more likely than not that Gaiman did this shit, then people should act accordingly.

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AceMos
04/21/25 3:15:03 PM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Are you deleting your posts or are you getting modded?

they are doing that thing where they delete there own posts after they know people read them to try and avoid getting modded

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A_Good_Boy
04/21/25 3:16:06 PM
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AceMos posted...
they are doing that thing where they delete there own posts after they know people read them to try and avoid getting modded
Apparently they don't know that mods can still act on those posts, so it's not a get out of jail free card to avoid the CE door.

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Mussurana
04/21/25 3:28:23 PM
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AceMos posted...
they are doing that thing where they delete there own posts after they know people read them to try and avoid getting modded
Bit silly really, can't claim to be checking threads that regularly.

All I see is a ton of deleted posts, what a waste of effort on their part.

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LightSnake
04/21/25 3:30:21 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
really? No proof given, you're just taking people at their word?

The behavior Gaiman has admitted is monstrous enough that anyone should take notice and be skeptical.

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LightSnake
04/21/25 3:32:21 PM
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thenotoriouscat posted...
If there was anything illegal or unlawful done, then take it to the proper authorities and have them investigate the allegations to see what the conclusions are,.

The court of public opinion is not anywhere near an actual court.

She did. The New Zealand police spoke to Palmer, got a denial and went "ALL GOOD HERE THEN."

Almost like an attempt to go to the authorities failed. Which is why an excellent team of journalists investigated this! The idea this was "TRIAL BY SOCIAL MEDIA" is fucking trash. I've seen shitty attempts at social media callouts, this wasn't it.

This was months of rigorous investigation. Interviewing multiple people, looking at text messages, history of allegations, a lengthy pattern of behavior, payoffs and more. So kindly cut the shit.

Gaiman paid forr a woman's therapy to make up for what he did to her. He said it himself in texts.

Gaiman, by his own admission, got naked in a bathtub with a nanny like 1/3 his age on her first day at his home. A woman wholly dependent on him and his wife for employment, money, shelter, and food. A woman he and Amanda Palmer DID NOT PAY for months.

Neil Gaiman had a sexual relationship with a woman he held the power of eviction over. He later evicted her and pressed her into an NDA.

I am not even going to entertain this bullshit. Nobody should.

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refmon
04/21/25 7:55:30 PM
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wow

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DrizztLink
04/21/25 7:59:55 PM
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Feels like that should have been stronger than a Warn.

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AceMos
04/21/25 8:02:50 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Feels like that should have been stronger than a Warn.

agreed it was obvious what they where doing

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