Current Events > Nintendo: "If you can't afford a Switch 2 buy a Switch 1, broke ass"

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you know what would be a great comeback to them?

"Sorry Nintendo but my money is in another castle!"

All hobbies are luxuries... not necessarily a monetary luxury, but having a luxury of time or disposition is a luxury that many people don't have.
Not all hobbies are Luxury Hobbies however. Otherwise the term is pretty fucking redundant.
I think that distinction needs to be made.

Anyway, carry on. Enjoying the thread :)

gaming is a luxury hobby

saw someone point out that Warhammer wasn't a luxury hobby in this topic, too, which are more expensive than fucking video games lmfao, Warhammer is absolutely a luxury hobby too.

Some of the takes in this topic are hilarious.

You either buy the switch or you dont. Nintendo dont have to make it more accessible for you and you dont have to buy it. This is really basic stuff.

Phoro posted...

All hobbies are luxuries... not necessarily a monetary luxury, but having a luxury of time or disposition is a luxury that many people don't have.
Not all hobbies are Luxury Hobbies however. Otherwise the term is pretty fucking redundant.
I think that distinction needs to be made.

Anyway, carry on. Enjoying the thread :)

This I agree with which is why I was set off by people continuing to argue that it was luxury hobby in posts where that distinction was made.

But at some point it should be intuitively known that referring to an item that is a fixture of even below average income families (which a Nintendo Switch is) as luxury anything sounds ridiculous and shouldnt be used to dismiss the ire about price increases.

CEing up a topic.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

gaming is a luxury hobby

saw someone point out that Warhammer wasn't a luxury hobby in this topic, too, which are more expensive than fucking video games lmfao, Warhammer is absolutely a luxury hobby too.

That was me. I also pointed out that playing hockey is a hobby of mine which is even more expensive than video games, and that's not a luxury hobby either.

Luxury hobbies are the shit rich people do. Like yachts, expensive cars, private planes, etc.

Video games, sports, and table top games are just hobbies. They are not a luxury.

I cant wait to see day 1 sales numbers

Sonixs posted...

Luxury hobbies are the shit rich people do. Like yachts, expensive cars, private planes, etc.

Video games, sports, and table top games are just hobbies. They are not a luxury.

LMAO

I'm imagining this topic in an alternate universe where topics can have more than 500 posts.

By 1000, we'd have forgotten about the definition of luxury and started arguing about the pyramids or whatever. By 2000, we'd have probably worked our way back around to Nintendo somehow.

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"luxury hobby" - lmao

poor people should be allowed to play video games.

managing a fleet of yachts and sports cars is a luxury hobby.
id love to see what youd consider a hobby for poor people

HashtagSEP posted...

Are you literally trying to say video games are a life necessity like food?

where are all you people crawling out of the woodworks from

foreverzero212 posted...

Charging $80 for games.

That's a 33% increase, not 60%. And not all games are $80.

Rika_Furude posted...

"luxury hobby" - lmao

poor people should be allowed to play video games.

A luxury hobby does not mean only rich people can do it. It just means it's more expensive and isn't a necessity. An iPhone is a luxury item, but if somebody wants to save up their money for one, they absolutely can. Video games are expensive. They always have been. It's why rental and used markets took off, because it was a way to enjoy them without as high of an entry cost.

The highest end, newest product being a bit more expensive than people'd like is not "shitting on the poors."

Nintendo's not gonna pay you dude. You don't have to desperately run defense for their greed.

Yeah, you're right. Good counterpoint.

I was wrong. Gaming was literally never expensive, ever. Only today did Nintendo start mowing down poor people in their gold plated limo. I was silly, sorry.

Game prices have been consistently in the $60-70 range since as far back as the 1990s. We just didn't feel the cost as badly back then because we were kids/teens who likely didn't buy the games ourselves (our parents did, or we got them as gifts, or we rented them from Blockbuster or similar stores) and the economy was just stronger in general. But that doesn't change the fact that the prices have absolutely not changed from 30 years ago until today; we just notice it now because we're paying for the games with our own money, which doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

TMOG posted...

Game prices have been consistently in the $60-70 range since as far back as the 1990s. We just didn't feel the cost as badly back then because we were kids/teens who likely didn't buy the games ourselves (our parents did, or we got them as gifts, or we rented them from Blockbuster or similar stores) and the economy was just stronger in general. But that doesn't change the fact that the prices have absolutely not changed from 30 years ago until today; we just notice it now because we're paying for the games with our own money, which doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

When they moved to optical discs, they got a lot cheaper. I seem to remember PS1 games launching for $40, but I'm not convinced of that.

PS2 games definitely launched at $50 though.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

When they moved to optical discs, they got a lot cheaper. I seem to remember PS1 games launching for $40, but I'm not convinced of that.

PS2 games definitely launched at $50 though.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c67993e9.jpg
From 1996. I can't seem to find an ad with PS2 games in it after some casual Googling.

TMOG posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c67993e9.jpg
From 1996. I can't seem to find an ad with PS2 games in it after some casual Googling.

Ah, so it was some games at $40 and others higher.

PS2 was definitely $50.

ReturnOfDevsman posted...

Ah, so it was some games at $40 and others higher.

PS2 was definitely $50.

That sounds right to me. I was a kid at the time so I didn't buy any of these games, but I do recall $50 being the standard, and then it was $60 for a long time. It's surprising we didn't get $70 earlier.

TMOG posted...

Game prices have been consistently in the $60-70 range since as far back as the 1990s. We just didn't feel the cost as badly back then because we were kids/teens who likely didn't buy the games ourselves (our parents did, or we got them as gifts, or we rented them from Blockbuster or similar stores) and the economy was just stronger in general. But that doesn't change the fact that the prices have absolutely not changed from 30 years ago until today; we just notice it now because we're paying for the games with our own money, which doesn't stretch as far as it used to.

Right. I wasn't saying they didn't change, I was simply stating that gaming was always an expensive hobby. It didn't just recently become expensive. I assume the pushback on that is because, like you stated, we just didn't feel it directly as much back then.

https://www.polygon.com/nintendo/555598/has-nintendo-just-set-up-the-original-switch-to-be-the-best-selling-console-of-all-time

We've now come full circle back to the meme.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2a567fa0.jpg

I see we're back to comparing video games to food again.

HashtagSEP posted...

A luxury hobby does not mean only rich people can do it. It just means it's more expensive and isn't a necessity. An iPhone is a luxury item, but if somebody wants to save up their money for one, they absolutely can. Video games are expensive. They always have been. It's why rental and used markets took off, because it was a way to enjoy them without as high of an entry cost.

The highest end, newest product being a bit more expensive than people'd like is not "shitting on the poors."

Theres no such thing as a necessary hobby. Youre saying all hobbies are luxury hobbies. Obviously luxury hobbies are hobbies that are outside the means of the average person. Such as buying a fleet of yachts with no less than 6 floors per yacht

Rika_Furude posted...

Theres no such thing as a necessary hobby. Youre saying all hobbies are luxury hobbies. Obviously luxury hobbies are hobbies that are outside the means of the average person. Such as buying a fleet of yachts with no less than 6 floors per yacht

This. I think the disconnect is that "it's a luxury hobby" and "hobbies are a luxury," though sounding similar have different meanings that some can't differentiate these days.

Luxury hobbies are innately expensive hobbies; video games are comparatively cheaper than... Many other hobbies. Unless you get in to the highest end and but literally every major release out, but so it goes for most hobbies.

As someone who absolutely loves building models, that has been easily way more expensive than gaming.

A lot of hobbies have different tiers of expense, few people bother to get in that far on a hobby to where it becomes a "luxury hobby" honestly.

did people defend the ps5 pro and ps3 pricing this hard or is it just because its nintendo lol

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I would be extremely worried if the switch 2 did not end up being cheaper than a PS5 pro, lmao.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

did people defend the ps5 pro and ps3 pricing this hard or is it just because its nintendo lol

It's mostly Nintendo shills trying to redirect the complaints of the games to the minority that's complaining about the console price. It's an easier straw man to knock down.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

did people defend the ps5 pro and ps3 pricing this hard or is it just because its nintendo lol

nintendrones are a wild bunch, huh?

ConfusedTorchic posted...

gaming is a luxury hobby

saw someone point out that Warhammer wasn't a luxury hobby in this topic, too, which are more expensive than fucking video games lmfao, Warhammer is absolutely a luxury hobby too.

Entertainment is a human right, not a luxury. Theres a reason they had gladiators fighting in pits in Ancient Rome/Greece.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

did people defend the ps5 pro and ps3 pricing this hard or is it just because its nintendo lol

PS5 Pro: $699
PS3: $499 or $599 (equivalent to $780 and $930, today)
Switch 2: $450

???

Are you seriously asking why there may have been a difference in reaction to consoles that cost over 150% what the Switch 2 costs?

Though, yes, people absolutely defended the PS3, because "It's a blu-ray player."

HashtagSEP posted...

PS5 Pro: $699
PS3: $499 or $599 (equivalent to $780 and $930, today)
Switch 2: $450

???

Are you seriously asking why there may have been a difference in reaction to consoles that cost over 150% what the Switch 2 costs?

Though, yes, people absolutely defended the PS3, because "It's a blu-ray player."

Fortunately for us, Sony fans aren't as blindly loyal as Nintendo fans (although they do have those), so the PS3 was eventually reduced in price. But again, this isn't about console prices to the majority, and I hate how posters keep letting them control the narrative.

PS3's initial prices got clowned on so bad that it became a gaming fandom meme that is still joked about to this day.

The PS5 pro gets absolutely shat on in practically every single comment section, forum, and social media in general when its brought up. Even in the playstation subreddit with a lot of PS owners and so you would naturally expect a lot of hardcore sony fans to hang around/be the most numerous on the reddit the common PS5 pro opinion is "yeah fuck that" or "yeah don't need that". Even in it's own PS5 pro subreddit that is going to have a lot of people that actually own one you'll get people who will say things like "yeah, I like what it does for XXX game etc. etc. Price is still ass though". Like there is barely anyone that I actually ever saw defending the 699.99+another 79.99 if you want to use discs since there is no pro that just comes with one already.

*Regardless I do notice there is still a ton of deflecting since most people that rag on the switch 2 is talking about the 80 dollar mario kart world thing and not the actual switch 2 console price.*

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Fortunately for us, Sony fans aren't as blindly loyal as Nintendo fans (although they do have those), so the PS3 was eventually reduced in price. But again, this isn't about console prices to the majority, and I hate how posters keep letting them control the narrative.

The poster I responded to is literally talking about console prices, so I responded accordingly.

And I just thought it was quite silly to make the argument of "Did people defend the $700 console as much as people are defending the $450 console?" Like... C'mon. That's a biiiit much.

Sonixs posted...

That was me. I also pointed out that playing hockey is a hobby of mine which is even more expensive than video games, and that's not a luxury hobby either.

yes it is

HashtagSEP posted...

The poster I responded to is literally talking about console prices, so I responded accordingly.

Fair enough. I was mostly referring to the posters who just brought it up without provocation.

And I just thought it was quite silly to make the argument of "Did people defend the $700 console as much as people are defending the $450 console?" Like... C'mon. That's a biiiit much.

Yeah. They really shouldn't take the bait, as it allows the shills successfully derail the problem.

ConfusedTorchic posted...

yes it is

No it's not lol

Poor people can afford to do it. Therefore it is not a luxury hobby.

Like someone said above, I think people are confusing hobbys being a luxury and a particular hobby being a luxury hobby.

The original statement that began all of this was "Gaming is a luxury hobby. You're not entitled to any of it." Which implies it's expensive and therefore a luxury hobby. However, poor people can afford to play video games. So by definition, it is not a luxury hobby.

Akagami_Shanks posted...

did people defend the ps5 pro and ps3 pricing this hard or is it just because its nintendo lol

The Nintendofaqs Fandom will go to the ends of the earth to defend Doug Bowser saying "buy the Switch 1 if you can't afford the Switch 2."

Sonixs posted...

However, poor people can afford to play video games. So by definition, it is not a luxury hobby.

A poor person can afford a luxury cruise if they save up money, that doesn't mean it's not a luxury.

There's nothing saying poorer people can't enjoy luxury items, they just obviously have to more carefully pick and choose which ones they can enjoy, compared to somebody with more money.

Your average poor/even middle class person can't just plop down a couple hundred bucks for a video game system literally any time they want.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

Fair enough. I was mostly referring to the posters who just brought it up without provocation.

Yeah. They really shouldn't take the bait, as it allows the shills successfully derail the problem.

Fair.

I really don't mean to come off like a "shill," I've even agreed the price of the games is bad. I mainly just disagreed with the idea that video games aren't a luxury item, and it kinda snowballed from there and started getting into stuff like the above.

It starts to get down to... Am I the shill, or are the people making comments like "Only Nintendofaqs will defend the Switch 2 price but not the PS5 Pro price" just kinda... Ridiculous?

HashtagSEP posted...

Fair.

I really don't mean to come off like a "shill," I've even agreed the price of the games is bad. I mainly just disagreed with the idea that video games aren't a luxury item, and it kinda snowballed from there and started getting into stuff like the above.

It starts to get down to... Am I the shill, or are the people making comments like "Only Nintendofaqs will defend the Switch 2 price but not the PS5 Pro price" just kinda... Ridiculous?

That's also fair. It's also fair if you still choose to buy one of their $80 games. Without those customers, the used market wouldn't exist. I just get annoyed at the people who try to defend the companies choices, and in the case of the topic title, foot in mouth.

Sonixs posted...

The Nintendofaqs Fandom will go to the ends of the earth to defend Doug Bowser saying "buy the Switch 1 if you can't afford the Switch 2."

this wasn't them being a dick but reminding that nintendo will still support like they have always done hell even when switch 1 was doing well they still made new games for 3ds

gikos posted...

this wasn't them being a dick but reminding that nintendo will still support like they have always done hell even when switch 1 was doing well they still made new games for 3ds

That doesn't really give any bit of relief when they have a long history of abandoning their old consoles shortly after releasing a new one.

nocturnal_traveler posted...

That doesn't really give any bit of relief when they have a long history of abandoning their old consoles shortly after releasing a new one.

what are you confusing nintendo with another company cuz this is their history

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_video_game_consoles
gameboy advance 2001

wii

Release date NA: November 19, 2006
JP: December 2, 2006
AU: December 7, 2006
EU: December 8, 2006
KR: April 26, 2008
TW: July 12, 2008
HK: December 12, 2009

Discontinued AU: November 2011
JP: October 20, 2013[10][11]
EU: October 24, 2013[12]

wii u
Release date NA: November 18, 2012
PAL: November 30, 2012
JP: December 8, 2012
Discontinued WW: January 31, 2017

gameboy advance

Release dateJP: March 21, 2001[3]
NA: June 11, 2001[2]
PAL: June 22, 2001[4][
Discontinued 2010

nintendo DS
Release date NA: November 21, 2004
JP: December 2, 2004
AU: February 24, 2005
EU: March 11, 2005
Discontinued 2013

nintendo 3ds

Release date Nintendo 3DS:
JP: February 26, 2011[2]
EU: March 25, 2011[1]
NA: March 27, 2011[3]
AU: March 31, 2011[4]
Nintendo 3DS XL:
EU: July 28, 2012
NA: August 19, 2012
AU: August 23, 2012
Nintendo 3DS LL:
JP: July 28, 2012
Discontinued WW: September 16, 2020

gikos posted...

what are you confusing nintendo with another company cuz this is their history

Compare new console release to previous generation. You get like one or two years on the average of support.

R_Jackal posted...

Compare new console release to previous generation. You get like one or two years on the average of support.

the wii u was the poor one out cuz too many factor killed it even tho i liked the console, and as shown nintendo still supported 3ds even tho they had switch out as well up to 2020, so i figure they will support switch since it did well unlike wii u plus with these tariff shit i figure they intend to support longer since it's install base is bigger then their new console