Current Events > It's hard not to get the feeling that Switch 2 will flop

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What with the price and the "just more of the same" sentiments that have been rolling in.

I dunno if the popularity of its predecessor will be enough to save it. The games had damn well better be amazing to justify what's being asked of us...

Nah, gamers are some of the loudest whiners but still buy the shit they complain about. It's like every time a new 2K sports game or CoD releases on Steam and it has "very negative" reviews but it's also the top seller.

Yeah, no way it's a flop. It probably won't beat the Switch, but it will be successful.

Nintendo will do fine because they have some of the most lucrative first party games on the market.

They can just wheel out Mario, Pokemon, and/or Zelda every few years and guarantee sales.

I mean, I'm not one to bitch about the cost of gaming, but with today's economy and You Know Who in charge.... yeah, the price is really hard to overlook.

:/

The price isnt actually that bad.

The $80 games on the other hand

Its really just Mario kart and some of the enhanced games that are the problem. Should have just kept them at the current gen standard and there would much less complaining

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/93b2be6d.jpg

I don't see any way it doesn't flop. It's just more of the same, but it's also more of the best-selling console of all time.

The price of some of the mainline games is too high, but when has that hurt Nintendo before?

I honestly find it hard to understand how people can be so sure that $80 games are this mind-blowing devastating prohibitive price when $70 games sell just as well as $60 games.

K181 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/93b2be6d.jpg

https://youtu.be/hw3CE04LGiA?si=Nq4Znwl5ku0eFcIU

There is no way it flops

I've said it in another topic when I posted the price comparisons but when you lay out the switch 2's 449.99 or 499.99 w/ mario kart world and 256 gigs of storage against the PS5 slim w/ disc drive's 449.99 astro bot bundle that comes with a 1 TB SSD storage and the relatively good specs that comes with playing on a PS5 for 3rd party games (the xbox also has cheaper series x or series s options for those that want to get on game pass) there is but so far just having portability and nintendo's IPs can probably take them.\

*You also have to keep in mind how much its going to cost to buy bigger versions of that microSD card the switch 2 uses, and with more switch 2 games going digital only its going to be a legitamate concern. The SSD expansion drives the PS5 uses was also real expensive when they were newer but has now came to a point where getting 1 TB or 2 TB more is more affordable.*

Analysts are also thinking that nintendo will probably take a beating on this one.
Analysts Share Bittersweet Nintendo Switch 2 Launch Predictions
https://gamerant.com/nintendo-switch-2-launch-window-price-production-costs-sales-forecast/

All I'm saying is that nintendo even if they come off of a stupid successful generation isn't immune to flopping going straight into the next, like with the Wii U and their rough 3DS start before they turned that around. (Via better game releases and price drops).

I don't think it'll do nearly as well as the original switch, but I think it'll still sell a lot.

me personally, I'm gonna hold off for a potential lite version. It'd be cool if they do one version that's handheld only and another that's more like a traditional console.

I'm scrolling YT's front page and came across a video titled "Nintendo Is So Greedy" that already has nearly 2 million views...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/641058ff.jpg

I still don't understand the price complaints. It's cheaper than the base PS5 (with a disc Drive) or the series X.

I could see an argument that they could have offered a digital only version but that draws the ire of a different crowd.

Mad-Dogg posted...

I've said it in another topic when I posted the price comparisons but when you lay out the switch 2's 449.99 or 499.99 w/ mario kart world and 256 gigs of storage against the PS5 slim w/ disc drive's 449.99 astro bot bundle that comes with a 1 TB SSD storage and the relatively good specs that comes with playing on a PS5 for 3rd party games (the xbox also has cheaper series x or series s options for those that want to get on game pass) there is but so far just having portability and nintendo's IPs can probably take them.

By this logic, the Xbox Series S should have good market share thanks to its same pricing as Switch 1 at $300, better performance, 16x as big SSD at 512gb vs 32gb, and huge library of 3rd party games + GamePass.

I think $400 would have been the sweetspot for the console but $450 isn't too bad. If it's anything like the OG Switch I'll get more mileage out of it than the PS5 and Series X combined.

$80 for a game is ridiculous tho and I'll most likely be buying used or on sale.

Doe posted...

By this logic, the Xbox Series S should have good market share thanks to its same pricing as Switch 1 at $300, better performance, 16x as big SSD at 512gb vs 32gb, and huge library of 3rd party games + GamePass.

The xbox in general while it shares a good amount of 3rd party games you could also get on the playstation and PC still misses out on those 1st/2nd party playstation exclusives that is popular among gaming culture as a whole. In my opinion the lack of these kind of 1st/2nd party games (these aren't as important as nintendo's IPs, but there really is people that buy playstations just to play the latest spider-man, god of war, horizon and whatever. Microsoft's fell off the face of the earth this entire generation) alongside the 3rd party game library is the main thing that held the xbox back.

Nah it'll be fine.

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The hell have I ever did that?

I never once claimed the PS5 pro was going to be some huge seller and that the asking price was too much/no real benefit to a lot of gamers. Its useless to the majority of gamers out there. If I did then tell me the specific topic I ever did this in and I'll try to remember.

As far as like the PS5 in general, I only ever posted proof every time someone (most likely a PC fanboy) said something along the lines of "no one buys playstations, console gaming is dead." *Me posts a link showing that a lot of people buy them just to play fortnite, genshin impact, whatever shooter is popular now etc.* This is as far as it ever went.

K181 posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/93b2be6d.jpg

lmao I remember that

It should be noted that it will probably break sales records in Japan with the cheaper model but perform poorly in comparison to expectations in North America due to high prices, tariffs, and looming recession.

HylianFox posted...

and the "just more of the same" sentiments that have been rolling in.

So let me get this straight:

When Nintendo invents a new gimmick every gen, it's "nobody asked for this, they should just stick with what works."

Then when they stick with a winning formula one time, it's "ugh, more of the same?"

SAlYAN posted...

So let me get this straight:

When Nintendo invents a new gimmick every gen, it's "nobody asked for this, they should just stick with what works."

Then when they stick with a winning formula one time, it's "ugh, more of the same?"

There's a large chunk of gamers who exist only to complain.

parents will get it for their kids either way

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Not my problem some people never grew out of the fanboy mentality and take me saying "see, people actually buy this thing to play these games" as being "proud" to prove them wrong.

If you are going to accuse me of something at least remember the topic and if I did I'll admit it.

I made a PS5 pro topic on the day I bought it because I was happy to have a new thing to use on my TV and I'm forever stalked about it. Crazy how far some people take these console/game platform wars, lol.

HylianFox posted...

I'm scrolling YT's front page and came across a video titled "Nintendo Is So Greedy" that already has nearly 2 million views...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/641058ff.jpg

I mean, literally anything Charlie posts is gonna gets millions of views. He could make one saying "the price isn't THAT bad" and it would do the same numbers.

refmon posted...

parents will get it for their kids either way

I wish my parents were that rich.

HylianFox posted...

I'm scrolling YT's front page and came across a video titled "Nintendo Is So Greedy" that already has nearly 2 million views...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/641058ff.jpg

theyre using the $ sign so its actually false information at that.

Mad-Dogg posted...

The xbox in general while it shares a good amount of 3rd party games you could also get on the playstation and PC still misses out on those 1st/2nd party playstation exclusives that is popular among gaming culture as a whole. In my opinion the lack of these kind of 1st/2nd party games (these aren't as important as nintendo's IPs, but there really is people that buy playstations just to play the latest spider-man, god of war, horizon and whatever. Microsoft's fell off the face of the earth this entire generation) alongside the 3rd party game library is the main thing that held the xbox back.

I don't think there's any primary problem with Xbox's game library. The Xbox Series S/X are suffering due to brand identity and network effect. Xbox lost the PS4/Xbone generation so hard that the amount of people in the PSN ecosystem is way higher, and the PS5 launch wasn't nearly bad enough for most people to consider incurring the costs of leaving that ecosystem.

Such costs being stuff like not having the same platform as your friends, your existing accessories / platform investments not carrying over, unfamiliarity with the new platform, changing your consumer identity.

History shows that killer exclusives aren't enough to win console wars in light of other factors, they can help encourage first time entrants to choose which to adopt, but we're beyond those times in a lot of ways. And a lot of the games that make kids want something to play on are multiplatform multiplayer games like Fortnite.

The Switch 2 doesn't directly position itself against the PS5 or Xbox, it's a handheld + home console in one that is only competed against by niche items like the Steam Deck. It's not a radical enough departure to alienate the existing base but is a significant upgrade in terms of specs. It actually has very little going against it except these game prices, which unfortunately a lot of industry analysts have been expecting to go up due to several pressures

It wont match switch one sales.

But this isnt flopping on like any Wii U levels or anything.

HylianFox posted...

I'm scrolling YT's front page and came across a video titled "Nintendo Is So Greedy" that already has nearly 2 million views...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/641058ff.jpg

M0isty gets like 2 million views on all of his exactly 10 minute videos where he just reads articles.

Nintendo isn't recession proof and all that sure, but that would be the only reason Switch 2 fails. People complaining about the price and whatnot are a vocal minority.

Doe posted...

I don't think there's any primary problem with Xbox's game library. The Xbox Series S/X are suffering due to brand identity and network effect. Xbox lost the PS4/Xbone generation so hard that the amount of people in the PSN ecosystem is way higher, and the PS5 launch wasn't nearly bad enough for most people to consider incurring the costs of leaving that ecosystem.

Such costs being stuff like not having the same platform as your friends, your existing accessories / platform investments not carrying over, unfamiliarity with the new platform, changing your consumer identity.

History shows that killer exclusives aren't enough to win console wars in light of other factors, they can help encourage first time entrants to choose which to adopt, but we're beyond those times in a lot of ways. And a lot of the games that make kids want something to play on are multiplatform multiplayer games like Fortnite.

The Switch 2 doesn't directly position itself against the PS5 or Xbox, it's a handheld + home console in one that is only competed against by niche items like the Steam Deck. It's not a radical enough departure to alienate the existing base but is a significant upgrade in terms of specs. It actually has very little going against it except these game prices, which unfortunately a lot of industry analysts have been expecting to go up due to several pressures

I get what you are saying, and yeah it is true that nintendo really aims for a different gaming crown with the switch.

However this time its a bit different than what the switch was going for. While the switch 2 still has portability for it, it's specs is beefed up a bit to where its not too far off from the series s, and I believe I read that its more capable than the steam deck (not absolutely sure on this one).

Its inevitable because of it's new specs and price that there will be some consumers that is going to compare it with the other consoles despite the portability and take into consideration the price for the console, the price for the games, and the price to get more space to install more games.

After all the 3DS was also a follow up to nintendo's most popular portable system ever the DS and that really did stumble out the gate. Its possible that portability just isn't going to be that automatic buy like it was with the weaker but way cheaper switch.

We will have to wait and see, but just let it be known that I have no problem and will freely admit I don't know nothin' about nothin' if the switch 2 is a huge stupid success that flies off the shelves at it's current price, lol.

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You the one bringing up shit from the ghosts from christmas past thinking I am going to bat for sony don't bullshit me this is deadly serious from some of you, lol.

Mad-Dogg posted...

After all the 3DS was also a follow up to nintendo's most popular portable system ever the DS and that really did stumble out the gate. Its possible that portability just isn't going to be that automatic buy like it was with the weaker but way cheaper switch.

The 3ds didn't fail right out the gate because of its price.

It failed because of poor branding (like the wii u) and a complete lack of anything to DO with it on launch, coupled with that price.

The reality is that launching with a poor Street Fighter port and a Pilotwings-themed tech demo didn't really incentivize anyone to buy the damn thing. Launching with a new Mario Kart alone immediately puts the Switch 2 in a WAY better position than the 3ds

It'll probably have a slower sales trajectory, yet a few fresher AAA games months from now will help.

I think the problem is, there really isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch 2. I have a Switch, why should I buy a newer one?

"No way it will flop" when the Wii U was a giant flop just 2 console generations ago

It'll only sell like 120 million units. What a flop

mystic_belmont posted...

I think the problem is, there really isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch 2. I have a Switch, why should I buy a newer one?

Presumably the same reason you bought a Switch: to play new games

mystic_belmont posted...

I think the problem is, there really isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch 2. I have a Switch, why should I buy a newer one?

For the same reason people bought a ps2 after a ps1, or a ps3 after a ps2, or a ps4, or 5, or eventually a 6?

New games, stronger hardware. Time marches on.

refmon posted...

parents will get it for their kids either way

Nah, not at that price point I wont. The hardware doesnt justify the cost.

mystic_belmont posted...

I think the problem is, there really isn't a compelling reason to get a Switch 2. I have a Switch, why should I buy a newer one?

It has new games and better performance. Like every other console successor.

SAlYAN posted...

The 3ds didn't fail right out the gate because of its price.

It failed because of poor branding (like the wii u) and a complete lack of anything to DO with it on launch, coupled with that price.

The reality is that launching with a poor Street Fighter port and a Pilotwings-themed tech demo didn't really incentivize anyone to buy the damn thing. Launching with a new Mario Kart alone immediately puts the Switch 2 in a WAY better position than the 3ds

You know what, thats fair.

Guess for the switch 2 its really going to depend on just how much mario kart world or the donkey kong game (alongside some 3rd party ports like yakuza) can attract a crowd.

At the same time it isn't like the Wii U's launch title list was bad and that had a new 2D mario game to play, so we will see.