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superbot400
03/22/25 7:38:42 AM
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Historic precedent suggests it would be extremely unusual for this kind of dissatisfaction to persist without any major changes in the party, especially because these voters dont have anywhere else to go. Third parties continue to see their vote shares decline, and polarization between the two major parties continues to rise, meaning that the odds of these dissatisfied Democrats voting for non-Democratic candidates are extremely low.

That ratchets up pressure in the 2026 primary election season. Political science literature suggests that partisans angry enough to have an opinion on their party leadership are also the likeliest to show up and vote for Democrats anyway so it is not clear that the party will incur a turnout penalty as a result.
Instead, these numbers open the door to a potentially bruising string of primaries in both the House and Senate. There are 13 Democratic-held Senate seats up for reelection next year many of them involving veteran senators in the bluest states raising the prospect of a stream of younger, insurgent candidates more closely aligned with the party base, similar to what the GOP has contended with over the past 15 years.

In other words, there is a chance that an army of AOC's showing up in 2026 Primary.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/03/21/polling-data-democrats-primaries-grassroots-tea-party-00241769
https://xcancel.com/lxeagle17/status/1903280665086529654#m


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Bass
03/22/25 7:41:57 AM
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Good, it's about time.

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tremain07
03/22/25 7:54:06 AM
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Fucking good no more billion kiss asses

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Holy_Cloud105
03/22/25 7:54:18 AM
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Trump said he's wiping the blue states off the map before midterm elections so it's not like this matters.

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DiScOrDtHeLuNaTiC
03/22/25 7:55:23 AM
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superbot400 posted...
In other words, there is a chance that an army of AOC's showing up in 2026 Primary.
Fine by me.


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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 7:57:27 AM
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Yeah infighting and splintering sure will stop Trump.

Jesus fucking Christ we are so fucking doomed. Fascists are taking over and not only are we not fighting them, we're fighting other non fascists

At this point we may as well rename it Trumpland and replace the dollar with Trumpbucks.

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kind9
03/22/25 8:01:08 AM
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An army of AOCs? Yes please.

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GeraldDarko
03/22/25 8:09:43 AM
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What would be better is for the Democratic party to get fucked by a 3rd party, but they're doing everything they can to stop people from doing that. The 2 party system puts a strangle hold on the people, and dems love it because it funnels donations and gives them the ability to do what they want, instead of what the people want.

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RasterGraphic
03/22/25 8:11:49 AM
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I should have read OPs post more carefully before responding.

Ummm, sounds good to me.
Taking action is objectively better than laying back and thinking of England.

UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah infighting and splintering sure will stop Trump.

At the risk of sounding like a snarky asshole, it sure as hell worked for the Republicans.

Seems like a proven strategy to me. People actually respond to division and anger, nobody gives a toss about love and unity.

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 8:16:38 AM
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RasterGraphic posted...
I should have read OPs post more carefully before responding.

Ummm, sounds good to me.
Taking action is objectively better than laying back and thinking of England.

At the risk of sounding like a snarky asshole, it sure as hell worked for the Republicans.

Seems like a proven strategy to me. People actually respond to division and anger, nobody gives a toss about love and unity.
The opposite worked for Republicans

Trump wanted to splinter the party by making a MAGA party of cultists. But he was aggressively talked out of it and instead they rallied the rest of the party into being a cult.

If Trump HAD succeeded in creating a MAGA party alongside Democrats and Republicans, Democrats would sweep almost all elections

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bfslick50
03/22/25 8:22:32 AM
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Finally, increased activity in the primaries is a way better strategy than sitting out the general.

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AceMos
03/22/25 8:23:19 AM
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so unfair are you saying more left wing progressive cannidates shouldnt be allowed to run in primaries for senate seats next year

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RasterGraphic
03/22/25 8:29:54 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
The opposite worked for Republicans

No offense, but are we living in the same timeline?

Look at who is in office? Look at who has all the political power, look at the country's trajectory, etc.

And a lot of Left leaning voters are sick of the complacency.

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Smashingpmkns
03/22/25 8:31:21 AM
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Literally anything is better than whatever dems in power are doing right now lol time to admit that whatever the democratic party is in it's current state isn't what people want and it's damn well not something people will rally behind even if the alternative is a bunch of little Hitlers.

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 8:31:22 AM
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AceMos posted...
so unfair are you saying more left wing progressive cannidates shouldnt be allowed to run in primaries for senate seats next year
"So are you saying you want to eat rusty nails and shove copies of Final Fantasy X on PS2 up your ass?"

No, nobody said that. Get that strawman shit out of here.

I'm saying to quote Black Stone Cherry, you can't win a war fighting with your brother. If we're fighting ourselves more than the fascists, then we are aiding fascists.

We're basically performing the Red Wedding while the Whitewalkers are at our doorstep.

RasterGraphic posted...
No offense, but are we living in the same timeline?

Look at who is in office? Look at who has all the political power, look at the country's trajectory, etc.


Yes solely because Trump DIDN'T splinter the Republican party.

If you have Republicans vs Democrats 1 and Democrats A then Republicans will win every time.

If Trump HAD created the MAGA party, do you really think it would have beaten Dems and Republicans at anything on any major level? Congress and mayors and Governors would be Dem dominant

We've literally just seen this in the UK where the conservative party wasn't seen as far right enough so they introduced the Reform party. Reform syhponed 15% of the votes nationally and allowed Labour (Moderate right wing party) to get a dominant win despite most of the population being well on the right.

If Reform didn't exist, Conservatives would have won comfortably.

You're calling for Dems to do the same thing.

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bfslick50
03/22/25 8:33:45 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
The opposite worked for Republicans

Trump wanted to splinter the party by making a MAGA party of cultists. But he was aggressively talked out of it and instead they rallied the rest of the party into being a cult.

If Trump HAD succeeded in creating a MAGA party alongside Democrats and Republicans, Democrats would sweep almost all elections

Trump didn't make a new party. The tea party followed by Trump took over the party through very active engagement during the primaries. And primaries at all level. That's what Democrats need to do.

Meanwhile last year a lot of the left were whining that there was no primary to replace Biden with virtually no engagement to primary the people in Congress. Then a lot of them didn't vote which is effectively the same impact as forming a 3rd party.

UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm saying to quote Black Stone Cherry, you can't win a war fighting with your brother. If we're fighting ourselves more than the fascists, then we are aiding fascists.

We're basically performing the Red Wedding while the Whitewalkers are at our doorstep.

Active engagement in primaries is not a red wedding. It's a competition to ensure you selected the best team to send to the Olympics.

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AceMos
03/22/25 8:36:15 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"So are you saying you want to eat rusty nails and shove copies of Final Fantasy X on PS2 up your ass?"

No, nobody said that. Get that strawman shit out of here.

I'm saying to quote Black Stone Cherry, you can't win a war fighting with your brother. If we're fighting ourselves more than the fascists, then we are aiding fascists.

We're basically performing the Red Wedding while the Whitewalkers are at our doorstep.

Yes solely because Trump DIDN'T splinter the Republican party.

If you have Republicans vs Democrats 1 and Democrats A then Republicans will win every time.

If Trump HAD created the MAGA party, do you really think it would have beaten Dems and Republicans at anything on any major level? Congress and mayors and Governors would be Dem dominant

We've literally just seen this in the UK where the conservative party wasn't seen as far right enough so they introduced the Reform party. Reform syhponed 15% of the votes nationally and allowed Labour (Moderate right wing party) to get a dominant win despite most of the population being well on the right.

If Reform didn't exist, Conservatives would have won comfortably.

You're calling for Dems to do the same thing.

the fuck are you talking about

this is about progressives entering primaries for senate seats

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 8:38:05 AM
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I'm saying the Democrats can't win if they split the party and should be fighting fascists, not each other.

Anything else is you putting words in my mouth.

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GeraldDarko
03/22/25 8:40:57 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm saying the Democrats can't win if they split the party and should be fighting fascists, not each other.

Anything else is you putting words in my mouth.
They need to fight. There are democrat representatives that are perfectly willing to assist the fascists.

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 8:42:17 AM
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I mostly agree with this

But I would argue that so many people refusing to vote and "Both Sides!" ism is a large cause of this

If voter turnout was 90/95%, the candidates would be less shit.

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GhostFaceLeaks
03/22/25 8:46:14 AM
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Holy_Cloud105 posted...
Trump said he's wiping the blue states off the map before midterm elections so it's not like this matters.

By the time they'd get together, there is a good chance the blue states will be staring at nukes heading their way from Trump.

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AlveinFencer
03/22/25 8:49:57 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I mostly agree with this

But I would argue that so many people refusing to vote and "Both Sides!" ism is a large cause of this

If voter turnout was 90/95%, the candidates would be less shit.
More like, if the candidates were less shit, the voter turnout would be higher. If shitty candidates resulted in high turnout, why would the quality of candidates increase? It's more likely that they'd just keep trotting out the same kind of candidate, wouldn't you agree?

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rexcrk
03/22/25 8:50:57 AM
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kind9 posted...
An army of AOCs? Yes please.
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Holy_Cloud105
03/22/25 8:52:00 AM
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GhostFaceLeaks posted...
By the time they'd get together, there is a good chance the blue states will be staring at nukes heading their way from Trump.
Yeah. You should take everything he says at face value. He said he's wiping the blue states off the map to stop the Democrats from regaining power in the midterms. So odds are he will do it, and half the country will cheer that all the liberals are dead finally.

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DarkChozoGhost
03/22/25 8:52:04 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm saying the Democrats can't win if they split the party and should be fighting fascists, not each other.

Anything else is you putting words in my mouth.
Neither the opening post, nor anyone in the topic (except that one guy that nobody, including you, responded to) suggested splitting the party, in any way, at any level.

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Southernfatman
03/22/25 8:53:35 AM
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Did people forget how UR is?

Also good. The establishment class has to go. They've just been aiding and abetting the fascists through their inaction and focus on keeping the crap status quo they benefit from. This should have happened years ago.

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 8:57:19 AM
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AlveinFencer posted...
More like, if the candidates were less shit, the voter turnout would be higher. If shitty candidates resulted in high turnout, why would the quality of candidates increase? It's more likely that they'd just keep trotting out the same kind of candidate, wouldn't you agree?

No I don't agree.
High turnout would mean that people cared. The problem right now is that about a third of the population just simply do not care.

There is such a profound state of apathy , and that's a corrupt politicians best friend. We only get figures like Trump and anti-vaxxers and shitcoins and blaming transgenders for mass shootings because society doesn't care anymore. These aren't intelligent thoughtful points or brilliant machiavellian schemes. They're just scams and bullshit.

Why work hard and have clever thoughtful policies if half the population doesn't vote and a most of the ones who do, don't even know or care what policies you have?

Voters can't be let off the hook for that, yes social media and marketing play a role in it, but at the end of the day, America is choosing indifference. That can't be brushed aside simply because it's uncomfortable.

I feel like going "IT's just the politicians, nothing else" is lazy comfortable thinking.

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UnholyMudcrab
03/22/25 9:07:27 AM
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This topic is a wasteland

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RasterGraphic
03/22/25 9:11:35 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Did people forget how UR is?

I know full well that they have a history of playing devils advocate, and that was consciously on my mind when engaging with them.

I did it anyways for the fun of it, because some people enjoy debates and message boards are an appropriate place for that.

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Ivynn
03/22/25 9:22:07 AM
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My fear is that the Dem leadership desire to maintain their power so strongly that they will work with Trump to shut this down.

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Thanatos_the_Great
03/22/25 9:24:11 AM
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Ivynn posted...
My fear is that the Dem leadership desire to maintain their power so strongly that they will work with Trump to shut this down.

Some centrists really do seem to think the left, not the fascists, are the real enemy.

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Justin2Krelian
03/22/25 9:43:46 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
The opposite worked for Republicans

Trump wanted to splinter the party by making a MAGA party of cultists. But he was aggressively talked out of it and instead they rallied the rest of the party into being a cult.

If Trump HAD succeeded in creating a MAGA party alongside Democrats and Republicans, Democrats would sweep almost all elections

Yeah, but it did work for Republicans in 2010. Were seeing more similarities to a political inverse of 16 years ago.

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legendary_zell
03/22/25 10:11:08 AM
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It must be understood that the Democratic Party as currently constituted and as it currently operates is toxic. And it has been since at least 2016. They keep assuming that the fear caused by rising fascism will be enough to hand them the win despite that, and they've been catastrophically wrong twice now.

They are seen as out of touch, consultant driven, and worst of all, weak. They cannot channel public sentiment which is the number one thing right now. The public wants to see people calling out the corporate coup going on AND acting accordingly. AOC and Bernie are doing that. A few others are too. The rest of them are paralyzed. It's time for them to get out of the way, there's zero evidence they're fit for the moment, whatever you think of their politics.

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UnfairRepresent
03/22/25 10:15:32 AM
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legendary_zell posted...
It must be understood that the Democratic Party as currently constituted and as it currently operates is toxic. And it has been since at least 2016. They keep assuming that the fear caused by rising fascism will be enough to hand them the win despite that, and they've been catastrophically wrong twice now.
I think a lot of Dems in power aren't even phased by fascism because "they" will be fine.

Hence why Schumer and his ilk don't care


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refmon
03/22/25 10:58:04 AM
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Bass posted...
Good, it's about time.


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creativerealms
03/22/25 11:09:34 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
"So are you saying you want to eat rusty nails and shove copies of Final Fantasy X on PS2 up your ass?"

No, nobody said that. Get that strawman shit out of here.

I'm saying to quote Black Stone Cherry, you can't win a war fighting with your brother. If we're fighting ourselves more than the fascists, then we are aiding fascists.

We're basically performing the Red Wedding while the Whitewalkers are at our doorstep.

Yes solely because Trump DIDN'T splinter the Republican party.

If you have Republicans vs Democrats 1 and Democrats A then Republicans will win every time.

If Trump HAD created the MAGA party, do you really think it would have beaten Dems and Republicans at anything on any major level? Congress and mayors and Governors would be Dem dominant

We've literally just seen this in the UK where the conservative party wasn't seen as far right enough so they introduced the Reform party. Reform syhponed 15% of the votes nationally and allowed Labour (Moderate right wing party) to get a dominant win despite most of the population being well on the right.

If Reform didn't exist, Conservatives would have won comfortably.

You're calling for Dems to do the same thing.
The people don't want what Democratic leadership wants. The leadership has bent a knee to Trump.

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2001mark
03/22/25 11:11:50 AM
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Bass posted...
Good, it's about time.

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
03/22/25 11:16:07 AM
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https://youtu.be/_J6-3l3hCm0?si=q0FYrkhXUZZ7JitM

Ivynn posted...
My fear is that the Dem leadership desire to maintain their power so strongly that they will work with Trump to shut this down.
That'd be a good way to lose power. This is happening because voters and left-leaning politicians are disgusted as the establishment.

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03/22/25 11:17:17 AM
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IceCreamOnStero
03/22/25 11:35:03 AM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah infighting and splintering sure will stop Trump.

Jesus fucking Christ we are so fucking doomed. Fascists are taking over and not only are we not fighting them, we're fighting other non fascists

The "non fascists" are giving the fascists free reign to enact whatever policy they want. You can't fight fascists if fascist enablers are allowed within your midst.


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Dungeater
03/22/25 11:56:01 AM
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u guys have been here for 20 years how do u not know who UnfairRepresent is

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GeraldDarko
03/22/25 12:03:27 PM
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Dungeater posted...
u guys have been here for 20 years how do u not know who UnfairRepresent is
He is pretty out there. Those scenario topics he makes are so fucking weird that I can't even handle reading them. They really make it seem like the perspective of someone far removed from reality.

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IfGodCouldDie
03/22/25 12:23:35 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
Yeah infighting and splintering sure will stop Trump.

Jesus fucking Christ we are so fucking doomed. Fascists are taking over and not only are we not fighting them, we're fighting other non fascists

At this point we may as well rename it Trumpland and replace the dollar with Trumpbucks.
If the non-facists are just getting out of the way of the fascists then they are actually just fascists in disguise.

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Gwynevere
03/22/25 12:31:17 PM
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UnfairRepresent posted...
I'm saying the Democrats can't win if they split the party and should be fighting fascists, not each other.

Anything else is you putting words in my mouth.
its kind of hard not to have to fill in the blanks when you're being intentionally vague

Primarying old fossils that people are fed up with is not infighting or splitting the party

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