Current Events > Just watched Marvel's The Defenders (SPOILERS)

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I started watching the Netflix Marvel stuff so I can be caught up before Daredevil.

Daredevil season 1 was amazing and as good as a season 1 gets

Jessica Jones s1 was solid but a little too padded

Daredevil s2 was a worthy follow up season but not as good as one. The punisher stuff was great. The hand and Elektra stuff was bad.

Due to timing. I have decided to just watch the Daredevil stuff for now so I skipped Luke Cage and Iron Fist (Iron fist had bad reception so it was skipped regardless)

Anyways the Defenders was quite mediocre. It continues the Elektra/Hand stuff and that was the worst part of Daredevil s2.

Matt essentially is the worst we see of him. He's in full Elektra simp mode and reluctant hero mode.

Luke Cage feels de-powered. There should be no world in where Elektra can hurt him and she kicks his ass multiple times.

Jessica Jones was pretty consistent to her season 1. She gets no issues from me

I don't know what Iron Fist was like in his show but he was fine here. I didn't mind him. The highlight of the show was him walking into the Hand's room and fighting all of them.

The action was mediocre. It didn't have the Daredevil choreography. It felt like everyone was punching the air all the time. Sigourney went out in an underwhelming fashion.

This was not the Avengers show we needed. O well

For now I will be watching the punisher s1, daredevil s3 and punisher s2. Maybe down the road can come back for Luke Cage and Jessica Jones

Not even Krysten Ritter could save that mess.

I'm sorry

LonelyStoner posted...

Not even Krysten Ritter could save that mess.

She is the only one who could pull off a sandwich cosplay.

I thought it was good until Sigourney left.

Daredevil S3 is a big step up from S2. None of that Hand nonesense.

I liked each of the series to varying degrees, but did not enjoy The Defenders at all.

Honestly the Netflix Marvel shows were such a mixed bag, Daredevil season 1 was amazing, Season 2 was great outside most of the hand stuff, and 3 was good, Jessica Jones Season 1 was great, But honestly After it i just started to hate how everyone was such shitty people that i couldn't find myself rooting for any of them, Luke Cage season 1 was good, the first half was stronger then the second and season 2 was just alright, And Iron fist.. Honestly felt like it didn't know what it wanted to do and like daredevil the hand stuff just wasn't really that good

LonelyStoner posted...

Not even Krysten Ritter could save that mess.

Nope but she did her part

ArkhamOrigins posted...

I'm sorry

Eh I've watched worse but it wasn't great

Verdekal posted...

She is the only one who could pull off a sandwich cosplay.

Maybe. Her character in breaking bad was way better

sabin017 posted...

I thought it was good until Sigourney left.

It wasn't even good then but her death was bad

havean776 posted...

Daredevil S3 is a big step up from S2. None of that Hand nonesense.

I hope som 2 was good still

I don't really remember much about it, but I remember thinking something about the plot would be improved if they'd included the Beast which is a demon that the Hand worships in the comics. Like if that's what they were actually excavating and that Electra was possessed by it instead of wtf was going on.

I do remember that the Black Sky stuff made no sense because Defenders acts like Electra is the fabled, destined Black Sky when Daredevil's first season had some random kid also be the Black Sky.

Blue_Popo posted...

I don't know what Iron Fist was like in his show but he was fine here. I didn't mind him. The highlight of the show was him walking into the Hand's room and fighting all of them.

I haven't seen the second season of it, but Iron Fist is at his best when he's not in his own show.

The actor wasn't given enough time to practice fight choreography and the choreography wasn't great anyway. The writing was also pretty mediocre, making Danny a complete moron.

The Netflix shows had a real problem with introducing one antagonist, only to kill them off and introduce a much less interesting antagonist afterwards.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Netflix shows had a real problem with introducing one antagonist, only to kill them off and introduce a much less interesting antagonist afterwards.

From what I understand of Jessica Jones, I think the only villain she has in the comics after Purple Man is the trials of marriage and motherhood.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Netflix shows had a real problem with introducing one antagonist, only to kill them off and introduce a much less interesting antagonist afterwards.

Luke Cage did pretty good.

Defenders and iron fist are the worst of the Netflix shows. Even as mediocre as the defenders was, iron fist is far, far worse.

Spurner posted...

I liked each of the series to varying degrees, but did not enjoy The Defenders at all.

I would still give defenders a 6. I enjoyed aspects of it

Raiden2909 posted...

Honestly the Netflix Marvel shows were such a mixed bag, Daredevil season 1 was amazing, Season 2 was great outside most of the hand stuff, and 3 was good, Jessica Jones Season 1 was great, But honestly After it i just started to hate how everyone was such shitty people that i couldn't find myself rooting for any of them, Luke Cage season 1 was good, the first half was stronger then the second and season 2 was just alright, And Iron fist.. Honestly felt like it didn't know what it wanted to do and like daredevil the hand stuff just wasn't really that good

Tbh even Jessica Jones dragged a bit too much. Jessica had multiple moments she could have finished it off. She became unlikeable at times. It does seem like Daredevil is the strongest. Punisher right now 3 episodes in is painfully slow to the point where I want to tap out.

People complain about daredevil in Spiderman nwh, she hulk but he is better in those than in defenders. Elektra just neutered his charm

pegusus123456 posted...

I don't really remember much about it, but I remember thinking something about the plot would be improved if they'd included the Beast which is a demon that the Hand worships in the comics. Like if that's what they were actually excavating and that Electra was possessed by it instead of wtf was going on.

I do remember that the Black Sky stuff made no sense because Defenders acts like Electra is the fabled, destined Black Sky when Daredevil's first season had some random kid also be the Black Sky.

I haven't seen the second season of it, but Iron Fist is at his best when he's not in his own show.

The actor wasn't given enough time to practice fight choreography and the choreography wasn't great anyway. The writing was also pretty mediocre, making Danny a complete moron.

No name ninjas just weren't fun. The best fight they had was nobu vs daredevil in s1. It feels like some C team took over the most important show. Also punisher would have worked well in defenders.

Would love to see the defenders get another chance in the mcu

Jessica Jones was so good, but The Defenders had no idea what to do with her, so she just kind of stood around drinking. It was really terrible.

I think Iron Fist was made bad on purpose, to get rid of Danny Rand.

Luke Cage was pretty good imo. Falls off a little halfway thru tho

Smashingpmkns posted...

Luke Cage was pretty good imo. Falls off a little halfway thru tho

Yeah like someone else said they kill of the good villain and the replacement just ain't as interesting.

I did enjoy Luke Cage. It's fun ahving a hero who is unstopable and villain just losing his mind that he can't do anything.

JJ season 1, Daredevil season 1 and 2 are probably my favorites. I never did see the third season of either and stopped partway through season 2 is punisher.

Agreed on the second season of DD falling off. The punisher stuff was awesome

I still think Luke Cage season 2's ending was super goofy. So Luke cage is now the "bad guy" and owns the nightclub? Lol.

What really pisses me off about Iron Fist is that it's a bad show. It's awful and it should have been good. I appreciated Shang Chi (despite some of its faults) simply because this was the martial arts we should have gotten way back in iron fist.

Each of the Netflix Marvel shows had a theme, Daredevil being crime drama, Jessica Jones being noir, and Luke Cage being blaxploitation. Iron Fist was supposed to be a homage to wuxia type media and we should have gotten more martial arts and wire fu, but instead we got... jesus what even was that they filmed. Ironically the season 2 end credits teased what we should have gotten from the start, yet they waited until after they were canceled to do it.

Defenders was trash. It was a weird time when MCU wasn't acknowledging the shows and it's almost like they didn't have a budget. Nor a script, they just rushed the stuff. Not that the MCU backed shows have been that great either, but we'll see.

That all being said, Iron Fist s1 and Defenders are the only ones I out and out disliked watching. All the rest I thought were an okay way to kill a few hours. Even Iron Fist s2 had a so-bad-it's-good quality to it

As a huge fan of Iron Fist my disappointment in that show is immeasurable and my entire life is ruined.

And do not let anyone tell you that season 2 is better than season 1. Season 2 is the Colleen Wing show. Iron Fist does 2 things in that entire season. 1) Fuck. 2) All.

Is it so much to ask for my dude to light up his damn fist and punch jabronis into the east river? Clearly.

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The Netflix shows had a real problem with introducing one antagonist, only to kill them off and introduce a much less interesting antagonist afterwards.

Netflix also seems to have peaked early with fisk and killgrave.

Elektra, the hand are terrible villains

pegusus123456 posted...

From what I understand of Jessica Jones, I think the only villain she has in the comics after Purple Man is the trials of marriage and motherhood.

Luke Cage did pretty good.

I will go back to Luke Cage at some point. Maybe when it's confirmed he's in the mcu

KogaSteelfang posted...

Defenders and iron fist are the worst of the Netflix shows. Even as mediocre as the defenders was, iron fist is far, far worse.

No plans on checking out iron fist. Even if this version comes to the mcu

tankboy posted...

Jessica Jones was so good, but The Defenders had no idea what to do with her, so she just kind of stood around drinking. It was really terrible.

That was still true to her. I had no issues with her. She seemed consistent with her show. I felt like Cage was weakened. There is no world in which Elektra should be able to hurt him
kuwab0 posted...

I think Iron Fist was made bad on purpose, to get rid of Danny Rand.

Lol I don't think anyone makes 26 bad episodes on purpose

All the Netflix shows were solid to great. DD was the best one of course and JJ ended up growing on me and has its moments. Luke Cage was fun and worth watching for Mahershala Ali's performance as Cottonmouth as well as Alfre Woodard as Black Mariah (fun fact: she also appears in Civil War, playing a different character. She's the lady that talks to Tony about losing her son in Sokovia, which makes Tony change his mind on the Sokovia Accords.) Iron Fist was okay, S2 seemed it had a better flow and was helped by being shorter (I think only 10 eps) plus worth watching for Colleen Wing. Defenders was unfortunately underwhelming as was already mentioned.

I havent watched it since it first dropped but yeah I remember liking Iron Fist 2 better than 1 since there was less focus on Iron Fist lol

KogaSteelfang posted...

Defenders and iron fist are the worst of the Netflix shows. Even as mediocre as the defenders was, iron fist is far, far worse.

Faramir could not prove his quality.

pegusus123456 posted...

Luke Cage did pretty good.

Luke Cage is, like, the dictionary definition of what they were talking about.

Smashingpmkns posted...

Luke Cage was pretty good imo. Falls off a little halfway thru tho

Sounds like Jessica Jones

havean776 posted...

Yeah like someone else said they kill of the good villain and the replacement just ain't as interesting.

I did enjoy Luke Cage. It's fun ahving a hero who is unstopable and villain just losing his mind that he can't do anything.

Hmm that does sound fun. What a hulk movie should be like

Kaldrenthebold posted...

JJ season 1, Daredevil season 1 and 2 are probably my favorites. I never did see the third season of either and stopped partway through season 2 is punisher.

Agreed on the second season of DD falling off. The punisher stuff was awesome

I think punisher is a great side character but not sure about him as the main

saspa posted...

I still think Luke Cage season 2's ending was super goofy. So Luke cage is now the "bad guy" and owns the nightclub? Lol.

What really pisses me off about Iron Fist is that it's a bad show. It's awful and it should have been good. I appreciated Shang Chi (despite some of its faults) simply because this was the martial arts we should have gotten way back in iron fist.

Each of the Netflix Marvel shows had a theme, Daredevil being crime drama, Jessica Jones being noir, and Luke Cage being blaxploitation. Iron Fist was supposed to be a homage to wuxia type media and we should have gotten more martial arts and wire fu, but instead we got... jesus what even was that they filmed. Ironically the season 2 end credits teased what we should have gotten from the start, yet they waited until after they were canceled to do it.

Defenders was trash. It was a weird time when MCU wasn't acknowledging the shows and it's almost like they didn't have a budget. Nor a script, they just rushed the stuff. Not that the MCU backed shows have been that great either, but we'll see.

That all being said, Iron Fist s1 and Defenders are the only ones I out and out disliked watching. All the rest I thought were an okay way to kill a few hours. Even Iron Fist s2 had a so-bad-it's-good quality to it

Iron fist being a part of shang chi 2 would be good stuff

DrizztLink posted...

Luke Cage is, like, the dictionary definition of what they were talking about.

I meant the S2 villain compared to S1.

The villain switch in S1 was not good, no.

pegusus123456 posted...

I meant the S2 villain compared to S1.

The villain switch in S1 was not good, no.

Word, that I would call fair.

DrizztLink posted...

Word, that I would call fair.

Stokes.

Mariah Stokes.

Speaking of, she was also great.

And one of the greatest lines in the MCU is, "Damn, [buddy], the pussy must be ridiculous."

Shame Luke Cage was cancelled.

Luke Cage at least had a great soundtrack. Cottonmouth was also a decently charismatic villain from what I remember, shame they kill him off halfway through.

Besides that, Luke Cage S1 wasn't particularly good. Never got around to watching S2, so no idea if it got better or worse.

saspa posted...

What really pisses me off about Iron Fist is that it's a bad show. It's awful and it should have been good. I appreciated Shang Chi (despite some of its faults) simply because this was the martial arts we should have gotten way back in iron fist.

Apparently the main actor didn't want to put in the effort.

008Zulu posted...

Apparently the main actor didn't want to put in the effort.

Maybe more has come out since, but I remember the blame being put on the show runner. Jones just flat out didn't have the time to train. And the show runner would also change the choreography with no warning.

SwayM posted...

As a huge fan of Iron Fist my disappointment in that show is immeasurable and my entire life is ruined.

And do not let anyone tell you that season 2 is better than season 1. Season 2 is the Colleen Wing show. Iron Fist does 2 things in that entire season. 1) Fuck. 2) All.

Is it so much to ask for my dude to light up his damn fist and punch jabronis into the east river? Clearly.

I heard so much hype for Colleen but in the defenders she was useless and it was clear she would kill her former mentor at some point

The_Eko posted...

All the Netflix shows were solid to great. DD was the best one of course and JJ ended up growing on me and has its moments. Luke Cage was fun and worth watching for Mahershala Ali's performance as Cottonmouth as well as Alfre Woodard as Black Mariah (fun fact: she also appears in Civil War, playing a different character. She's the lady that talks to Tony about losing her son in Sokovia, which makes Tony change his mind on the Sokovia Accords.) Iron Fist was okay, S2 seemed it had a better flow and was helped by being shorter (I think only 10 eps) plus worth watching for Colleen Wing. Defenders was unfortunately underwhelming as was already mentioned.

Of the ones I have watched defenders was the only one not worth watching. 4 episodes in and punisher may join

AvlButtslam posted...

I havent watched it since it first dropped but yeah I remember liking Iron Fist 2 better than 1 since there was less focus on Iron Fist lol

That doesn't sound like a good thing. I hope the actor can get another shot in the MCU. He wasn't the problem

pegusus123456 posted...

Maybe more has come out since, but I remember the blame being put on the show runner.

Did some digging of my own, didn't realise it was that guy who ran the show. Things make more sense now.