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Kain_Highwind 01/14/25 10:30:15 PM #1: |
https://x.com/NathanJRobinson/status/1879280023254999270 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/01/09/aoc-trump-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-democrats/ so disappointing Especially since she's framing it as "having matured" --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 01/14/25 10:30:57 PM #2: |
America is beyond help. --- I stared into the mirror; a prisoner to the past, a ghost to the present. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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solosnake 01/14/25 10:32:11 PM #3: |
she wants to be the next nominee in 2028 --- "We would have no NBA possibly if they got rid of all the flopping." ~ Dwyane Wade ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bass 01/14/25 10:32:12 PM #4: |
The fuck? So what did they blackmail her with? --- Many Bothans died to bring you this post. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Vegy 01/14/25 10:32:25 PM #5: |
She's playing 4D chess --- https://i.imgur.com/EoGWPMu.gif https://i.imgur.com/dWmUFeV.gif https://i.imgur.com/xpoEaeu.gif ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 01/14/25 10:33:34 PM #6: |
Either she's planning something, or they broke her. Really hope it's the former, because it would be disappointing if she "grew up" into yet another establishment Democrat who accomplishes little, and gets us into situations like the one we're in now. We need fresh, new ideas. Not more status quo who promises they'll totally fix things this time if we just vote for them. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hinakuluiau 01/14/25 10:33:56 PM #7: |
Unfortunately, incrementalism is the only way progress seems to come. --- There are some things where I just bypass critical thinking. - ROD ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 01/14/25 10:34:03 PM #8: |
So basically, you guys are mad she won't sabotage the Democratic party then. --- Here's a link to the CE Discord server in the event that the actual board gets removed by GameFAQs: https://discord.gg/zMBUnHPMHe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 01/14/25 10:34:26 PM #9: |
Umbreon posted... Either she's planning something, or they broke her.Its the second Supporting moderates over progressives isn't good even as a 4D chess move --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ironman2009 01/14/25 10:41:23 PM #10: |
Hopefully she'll be on more Pokimane streams now. --- THRILLHO ... Copied to Clipboard!
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HBKick18 01/14/25 10:43:47 PM #11: |
this is why "making a difference from the inside" never works --- Proud fan of the worst team in American professional sports history: the Chicago Cubs. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/14/25 10:49:40 PM #12: |
Biden's Infrastructure Act was using huge parts of her policy as a checklist, seems she achieved more as a team player than a gadfly. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ulfar 01/14/25 10:50:24 PM #13: |
HBKick18 posted... this is why "making a difference from the inside" never works ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Necronmon 01/14/25 10:50:55 PM #14: |
Being a third party just makes you a joke though... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/14/25 10:52:22 PM #15: |
Of course, Socialism's Fanciest Boy who helped fabricate a rape complaint to try to get Biden taken down in 2020 is whining AOC is achieving more. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 01/14/25 10:56:47 PM #16: |
She's taking what is the only reasonable route. If she doesn't play ball, she has no power within the party regardless of her stances. Things she wants to do can only be done with enough support to back her. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 01/14/25 10:57:39 PM #17: |
Guide posted... She's taking what is the only reasonable route. If she doesn't play ball, she has no power within the party regardless of her stances. Things she wants to do can only be done with enough support to back her.Backing moderates over progressives because its what the DNC wants isn't being reasonable its selling out --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/14/25 10:59:07 PM #18: |
Kain_Highwind posted... Backing moderates over progressives because its what the DNC wants isn't being reasonable You lose to people who lose to people who lose to Republicans and then laugh at how poorly second place did while you're sitting at the starting line trying and failing to tie your shoes. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 01/14/25 10:59:53 PM #19: |
Guide posted... She's taking what is the only reasonable route. If she doesn't play ball, she has no power within the party regardless of her stances. Things she wants to do can only be done with enough support to back her. You don't understand. She has to burn everything to the ground and the only option then is that everything that springs up after that will be perfect! --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Guide 01/14/25 11:02:45 PM #20: |
Kain_Highwind posted... Backing moderates over progressives because its what the DNC wants isn't being reasonable It's trying to get back control of the house, as opposed to being ineffectual but saying the things you like hearing on twitter. --- evening main 2.4356848e+91 https://youtu.be/Acn5IptKWQU ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis 01/14/25 11:03:26 PM #21: |
Ah, yes, party division is exactly the play for Dems to make while the Republicans are poised to usher in Fascism. /s Kain_Highwind posted... Backing moderates over progressives because its what the DNC wants isn't being reasonableWhy the fuck are you suggesting this is a time for progressive and moderates to be fighting each other? --- Time is a funny thing, you know? I guess in the big picture of my life, you were only a blip. But oftentimes, those "blips" make the biggest impacts. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 01/14/25 11:05:20 PM #22: |
I'm quite proud to see AOC mature so much throughout her career. She is showing progressives how it's truly done. --- Here's a link to the CE Discord server in the event that the actual board gets removed by GameFAQs: https://discord.gg/zMBUnHPMHe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Umbreon 01/14/25 11:05:25 PM #23: |
I'll reserve judgement until we actually see what she can do. Sadly you do have to "play ball" in this country. We've seen multiple times how much harder Dems will fight third party over Republicans. I just hope she doesn't forget who she is once she actually has the power to change things. --- Black Lives Matter. ~DYL~ (On mobile) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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geno_16 01/14/25 11:05:27 PM #24: |
So in other words... solosnake posted... she wants to be the next nominee in 2028 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Starks 01/14/25 11:06:26 PM #25: |
This won't mean anything to an electorate that still votes for Republicans and probably won't even know about aoc's adjustment. --- Paid for by StarksPAC, a registered 501(c)(4) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MaxEffingBemis 01/14/25 11:06:32 PM #26: |
Shes got terrible political instincts anyway. Its been time to find the next progressive hope. Honestly that should be Tlaib --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 01/14/25 11:25:23 PM #27: |
Why commit yourself to a group of absolute losers like this --- http://i.imgur.com/x04tPRZ.jpg http://i.imgur.com/t7T392I.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BewmHedshot 01/14/25 11:29:48 PM #28: |
Can't really do anything without 218 votes, it doesn't make any sense to push out the purplest bunch of your 215. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 01/14/25 11:39:30 PM #29: |
Note that the people happy about this are people that spend upwards of 80 percent of their time on this board punching left. The disagreement isn't just about tactics at this point, it's about policy just as much. Some of you are glad to hear that the most effective advocate for pushing the envelope on policy and rhetoric will stop doing that or implying there's anything wrong with the current leadership or their plans. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 01/14/25 11:45:19 PM #30: |
Given we're going into a Trump term it would be better for the dem minority to not start infighting so they can actually oppose the republican majority --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/14/25 11:47:01 PM #31: |
legendary_zell posted... Note that the people happy about this are people that spend upwards of 80 percent of their time on this board punching left. The disagreement isn't just about tactics at this point, it's about policy just as much. How much did AOC achieve on policy working with her colleagues as opposed to pointless infighting with them? This is tiresome. Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush were ridiculous people with horrible political instincts. AOC decided she wanted a political futue and to get shit done, but we all know that isn't what the online left actually wants. Oh, and someone on the left wanna explain why Fancy McUnionbust has a platform still after the shit he pulled with Tara Reade? --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Akuryu 01/14/25 11:48:05 PM #32: |
Good. Dems must learn to circle the wagons and stick together, or they can continue to lose. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZEROWOLF 01/14/25 11:52:47 PM #33: |
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/487cb488.jpg --- Sam and Robert are the hitch-hikers on the road. --Necronomicon incantation (The Evil Dead) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 01/14/25 11:56:32 PM #34: |
legendary_zell posted... Note that the people happy about this are people that spend upwards of 80 percent of their time on this board punching left. The disagreement isn't just about tactics at this point, it's about policy just as much.Yep, it's the same people every single time. --- I stared into the mirror; a prisoner to the past, a ghost to the present. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ooooooranges 01/14/25 11:58:54 PM #35: |
With the recent losses progressives took in Dem primaries, I think she realized that the progressive wing isn't about to take over the party soon. The only way to make a difference is going to be to build bridges within the party so she can become more powerful. --- http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2011/10/10/pujols_85507.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ooooooranges 01/15/25 12:00:13 AM #36: |
GrandConjuraton posted... Yep, it's the same people every single time. Not true at all. I'm hated here due to being anti-genocide. But this just seems to be a smart move on AOCs part. --- http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2011/10/10/pujols_85507.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 01/15/25 12:01:40 AM #37: |
Akuryu posted... Good. Dems must learn to circle the wagons and stick together, or they can continue to lose.Indeed. AOC sees where the tides are actually turning and is acting accordingly. I hope she and Ben Wikler can start the healing process for the Democratic Party because radical leftists will lambast it no matter what. --- Here's a link to the CE Discord server in the event that the actual board gets removed by GameFAQs: https://discord.gg/zMBUnHPMHe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 01/15/25 12:17:56 AM #38: |
LightSnake posted... How much did AOC achieve on policy working with her colleagues as opposed to pointless infighting with them? Who is in favor of pointless infighting? When you can work with the people in power to do good things, you do them. What you don't do is swear off criticizing the bad for some misguided vision of unity or for self-advancement. A party that simply follows leadership and values conformity over breaking cycles of complicity and complacency will be a party of stagnation and will lose rather than gain people. There's no evidence that leaning more into politics as usual right now will lead us out of the wilderness. Being unable to criticize an extremely unpopular status quo because you're buddying up to the people creating it is bad, period. It's not an either or between being good at politics or being progressive/leftist. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/15/25 12:25:42 AM #39: |
legendary_zell posted... Who is in favor of pointless infighting? When you can work with the people in power to do good things, you do them. What you don't do is swear off criticizing the bad for some misguided vision of unity or for self-advancement. This isn't just what she was doing and you know it. She was throwing herself into every primary before she was even inaugurated, supporting protesters against her colleagues and the speaker, and constantly elevating minor disputes to her twitter followers. When people addressed things with her behind closed doors, she immediately ran to social media to complain about it. This isn't just "criticizing the bad," she pissed off a lot of her colleagues and it's a little hard to say this was effective. A party that simply follows leadership and values conformity over breaking cycles of complicity and complacency will be a party of stagnation and will lose rather than gain people. There's no evidence that leaning more into politics as usual right now will lead us out of the wilderness. Being unable to criticize an extremely unpopular status quo because you're buddying up to the people creating it is bad, period. This is literally not what she claimed or what this says, or what she said she was going to do. She didn't take a vow to never criticize anyone or fight for what she believes, she said she'd stop pointlessly antagonizing her own party and would knock off trying to jump into every race. This wasn't criticism, other Dems were mad she tried to help primaries to get them out. And you can argue she was right to do so. Pelosi's stance was to blanket support every incumbent to keep the caucus together. But if she keeps doing that and the primaries fail, you'll have people who aren't gonna vote you into leadership. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PiOverlord 01/15/25 12:32:08 AM #40: |
Playing the game is not feasible. Peace will only come when we refuse to play. --- Number of legendary 500 post topics: 36, 500th posts: 34; PiO ATTN: 6 RotM wins 1, LETTEN MY ARROW FLYEN TRUE ... Copied to Clipboard!
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M1Astray 01/15/25 12:33:53 AM #41: |
Guide posted... She's taking what is the only reasonable route. If she doesn't play ball, she has no power within the party regardless of her stances. Things she wants to do can only be done with enough support to back her. And then once you have enough position and power in the party to have "made it" you are instead shackled by the very fact that they can and will remove that power from you the moment you so much as think about rocking the boat. Remember the absolute shitshow when they wanted Biden gone. Remember how very public and humiliating that month was. Joining to change from within is an absolute meme. You either end up converted to the comfy golden cage and settle in to enjoy the financial perks of power or you get chewed up and spat out by the machine. Never anything besides that. The machine can and will choose to destroy itself before it bends to what it views as radical change. --- Currently Playing: SaGa Emerald Beyond (Switch), Fate/stay night Remastered (Switch) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 01/15/25 12:35:13 AM #42: |
PiOverlord posted... Playing the game is not feasible. Peace will only come when we refuse to play. --- I stared into the mirror; a prisoner to the past, a ghost to the present. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 01/15/25 12:37:22 AM #43: |
AOC does wonderful stuff, yet the far left often hurl abuse at her anyway. Is it any wonder she's lost faith in them? https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6f5362e6.jpg --- Here's a link to the CE Discord server in the event that the actual board gets removed by GameFAQs: https://discord.gg/zMBUnHPMHe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 01/15/25 12:41:56 AM #45: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Do we even have the numbers to make big sweeping reforms? Because as far as I'm concerned, leftists seem to pretend that obstructive Republicans don't exist for some reason and that everything is the fault of Democrats. --- Here's a link to the CE Discord server in the event that the actual board gets removed by GameFAQs: https://discord.gg/zMBUnHPMHe ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ai123 01/15/25 12:47:06 AM #46: |
Very, very few people stay in politics for long without turning into politicians. --- 'Vinyl is the poor man's art collection'. Let in the refugees, deport the racists. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EmbraceOfDeath 01/15/25 12:47:55 AM #48: |
Disgusting. --- No more shall man have wings to bear him to paradise. Henceforth, he shall walk. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 01/15/25 12:48:57 AM #49: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] The New Deal wasn't one thing. It was a whole bunch of things, and some would be decried heavily today because of FDR holding back as fa as some could go. We also aren't comparable to the Depression right now, and FDR had insane majorities in congress. Which FDR maintained by sacrificing civil rights legislation. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_____Cait 01/15/25 12:56:27 AM #50: |
Literally the imperfect woman --- ORAS secret base: http://imgur.com/V9nAVrd 3DS friend code: 0173-1465-1236 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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