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PowerOats
01/12/25 8:43:22 PM
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I haven't played in 2 months probably, but I occasionally see these awesome trailers of new characters, and I'm like 'wow, can I play as these characters for free immediately?'

I just wanna play as Devil May Cry Cristina Vee man
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LordFarquad1312
01/12/25 8:49:03 PM
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PowerOats posted...
wow, can I play as these characters for free immediately?
Isn't it a gacha game?

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PowerOats
01/12/25 8:54:00 PM
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It is, but I rarely bothered with it at all
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Unknown5uspect
01/12/25 8:56:37 PM
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They actually did give away an S rank character last month.

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PowerOats
01/12/25 9:03:06 PM
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Aww

Oh well

I've been treating it like a pickup and play kinda game, and every time I do, there's a major update
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chris1001_the_sequel
01/12/25 9:04:08 PM
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The patch is still up for another week. The character should be available until then.

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PowerOats
01/12/25 9:05:11 PM
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You can just pick any character?
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chris1001_the_sequel
01/12/25 9:06:50 PM
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You get one specific character.

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Turbam
01/12/25 9:11:07 PM
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https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/712c82d6.jpg

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Kim_Seong-a
01/13/25 12:11:39 AM
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Oh it's a game? Judging by its Reddit posts I thought it was porn

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Zikten
01/13/25 12:22:32 AM
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Kim_Seong-a posted...
Oh it's a game? Judging by its Reddit posts I thought it was porn
Yea it's a Chinese gacha action rpg game on mobile and Playstation. And maybe also pc, not sure. It's like Genshin Impact if you have heard of that. In fact I think it's made by the same company.
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Kamil
01/13/25 12:26:25 AM
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https://zankizero.fandom.com/wiki/Zanki_Zero:_Last_Beginning

This is a different game? I repeatedly confuse these two. I never played either. I play a lot of Drpgs, but this game is very odd.

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Deej
01/13/25 12:27:02 AM
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Zikten posted...
Yea it's a Chinese gacha action rpg game on mobile and Playstation. And maybe also pc, not sure. It's like Genshin Impact if you have heard of that. In fact I think it's made by the same company.
And much like Genshin, the most enjoyable part of the game is not playing the game and looking up fanart instead ( )

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Kircheis
01/13/25 12:53:00 AM
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I had some ridiculously good luck when I started. Right at the end of 1.3, got Lycaon in 20 pulls. After pulling Miyabi, had enough to pull for her signature weapon, got that in 30 pulls. Also got a bunch of Soukaku pulls and her signature weapon. Game's shilling Miyabi so hard that even the gacha gods themselves wanted me to main her.

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chris1001_the_sequel
01/13/25 12:56:41 AM
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I won Miyabi 50/50 but lost the weapon 75/25, but it worked out since the wengine I got ended up on Harumasa

My weapon banner luck in these games tends to be awful. In HSR I have a 75% LOSE rate on the LC banner.

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 12:57:55 AM
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The game is very generous with its gacha currency. I was able to get almost all the characters without spending anything.

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LordFarquad1312
01/13/25 8:44:27 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
The game is very generous with its gacha currency. I was able to get almost all the characters without spending anything.
How very unlike Hoyo

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NinjaWarrior455
01/13/25 9:10:25 AM
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ZZZ and many other gachas are designed to be played everyday or at least every other day to get the max amount of currency and upgrade materials. If you play the story content you can play with the new characters but you won't be able to use them in other content unless you actually scout for them.

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 9:22:36 AM
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LordFarquad1312 posted...
How very unlike Hoyo
They seem to be improving with each installment. Genshin was greed city. Honkai was more generous, but they made you grind heavily. Zenless seems to be where Hoyo hit that sweet spot.

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Twinklestar
01/13/25 10:57:03 AM
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Speaking of ZZZ's differences, I'm amused that so far ZZZ is also Hoyo's only gacha game since Genshin, to not have a little girl-type character like Genshin's Klee or Honkai's Bailu.

It's also the only one of Hoyo's big three whose MC is working behind the scene instead, not directly involved in battles, and thus unusable in battles.
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Rika_Furude
01/13/25 11:09:41 AM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
They seem to be improving with each installment. Genshin was greed city. Honkai was more generous, but they made you grind heavily. Zenless seems to be where Hoyo hit that sweet spot.
Its actually a trap. HSR seems to release characters with more frequency than Genshin. Like I think theres only been one 20-day cycle where there was no new characters in Star rail so far, but theres been quite a few for Genshin. So they give you 10x the free stuff in Star rail than they do in genshin but theres way more to spend it on

I dunno about ZZZ but I presume they are trending down that same path
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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 11:10:20 AM
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Twinklestar posted...
Speaking of ZZZ's differences, I'm amused that so far ZZZ is also Hoyo's only gacha game since Genshin, to not have a little girl-type character like Genshin's Klee or Honkai's Bailu.
You might count Koleda, but the recent story has shown us that she's an adult, but just has a small build.



It's also the only one of Hoyo's big three whose MC is working behind the scene instead, not directly involved in battles, and thus unusable in battles.
I like that both MCs are present, instead of Gemshins one playable MC and the other is who knows where, as well as Honkais only one MC is canon.

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 11:12:42 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Its actually a trap. HSR seems to release characters with more frequency than Genshin. Like I think theres only been one 20-day cycle where there was no new characters in Star rail so far, but theres been quite a few for Genshin. So they give you 10x the free stuff in Star rail than they do in genshin but theres way more to spend it on

I dunno about ZZZ but I presume they are trending down that same path
You might be right, but so far ZZZ in this most recent update decided to release two characters at once, but instead of two weeks per two characters, it's a whole month per two characters.

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HighSeraph
01/13/25 11:13:52 AM
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Yeah it's perplexing that morons keep playing gacha trash

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Unknown5uspect
01/13/25 2:18:03 PM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...
You might be right, but so far ZZZ in this most recent update decided to release two characters at once, but instead of two weeks per two characters, it's a whole month per two characters.
At least they eased everyone into the idea of two characters per month by giving you one for free this first time. The next updates appear to have 1 new banner and 1 rerun going forward. Given time they'll start overwhelming us with new characters and power creep and when that happens I'll likely be done with the game lol

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 2:41:22 PM
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Unknown5uspect posted...
At least they eased everyone into the idea of two characters per month by giving you one for free this first time. The next updates appear to have 1 new banner and 1 rerun going forward. Given time they'll start overwhelming us with new characters and power creep and when that happens I'll likely be done with the game lol
Sounds like a good strategy.

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PowerOats
01/13/25 3:03:10 PM
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I understand gatcha enough to know never to spend real money on what is essentially random DLC characters/ skins/ weapons etc.

But this is the 2nd one I've tried, the other being FF7 Ever Crisis
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Kircheis
01/13/25 3:46:42 PM
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Just y'all wait until ZZZ has enough S rank agents for triple rerun banners, HSR is about to have two triple rerun banners back to back and f2p/low spenders are hurting.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/27d0944a.jpg

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chris1001_the_sequel
01/13/25 3:49:12 PM
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HSR has also has insane levels of powercreep next to Genshin. It's really too early to see which direction ZZZ is going to go in. I wasn't playing back then, but I believe people have said that even Genshin had 2 characters per banner for the first several patches.

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PowerOats
01/13/25 4:28:11 PM
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Do you need to be really powerful to do main quest stuff?

Powercreep in this game seems weird to have unless enemies start having millions of HP and or start OHKOing you
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Aysander
01/13/25 4:36:17 PM
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PowerOats posted...
Do you need to be really powerful to do main quest stuff?

Powercreep in this game seems weird to have unless enemies start having millions of HP and or start OHKOing you

To do main quest stuff?

Nah.

If you're the type of person that likes to engage whatever the endgame is (Tower and Shiyu Defense in this case), then it ends up getting the better.

Even in Genshin or HSR you don't need the BEST units, just units that can clear stuff, if your only intent is to experience the story or side content/quests.

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FL81
01/13/25 4:36:43 PM
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Deej posted...
And much like Genshin, the most enjoyable part of the game is not playing the game and looking up fanart instead ( )


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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 4:42:33 PM
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Aysander posted...
To do main quest stuff?

Nah.

If you're the type of person that likes to engage whatever the endgame is (Tower and Shiyu Defense in this case), then it ends up getting the better.

Even in Genshin or HSR you don't need the BEST units, just units that can clear stuff, if your only intent is to experience the story or side content/quests.
This. In Zenless, you can dodge/parry enemies stronger than you if you're decent enough. And unlike Genshin and Honkai, the A rank characters are really good. For example, Piper, Corin, and Soukaku are A rank, but are powerhouses.

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Rika_Furude
01/13/25 4:45:54 PM
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In Star rail, the 4* characters started off good. I remember when Fire MC and March 7th (Preservation) were considered top tier. Once ZZZ gets more premium characters the non-premium will drop off for the most part but not entirely

its been over a year since I played Genshin but I cant imagine that Bennett and Xingqiu are considered mid or lower these days
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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 4:58:30 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
In Star rail, the 4* characters started off good. I remember when Fire MC and March 7th (Preservation) were considered top tier. Once ZZZ gets more premium characters the non-premium will drop off for the most part but not entirely

its been over a year since I played Genshin but I cant imagine that Bennett and Xingqiu are considered mid or lower these days
Hopefully by then they'll be a newer and better game to migrate to.

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Lord_Ephraim
01/13/25 5:07:32 PM
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I don't know where people get the idea that this game is generous. On average it takes about 76 pulls to get a S character and you have a 50/50 chance of getting that limited character. Fail the coinflip and you could end up with something completely worthless (Nekomiya). To ZZZ's credit, the rest of the standard characters are pretty good where as Genshin and HSR they're not.

I migrated to playing these games exclusively on PS5 thanks to the company's shady security features. Genshin had a database breach four years ago where UIDs and passwords were leaked resulting in a lot of stolen accounts.

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 5:15:07 PM
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Lord_Ephraim posted...
I don't know where people get the idea that this game is generous. On average it takes about 76 pulls to get a S character and you have a 50/50 chance of getting that limited character. Fail the coinflip and you could end up with something completely worthless (Nekomiya). To ZZZ's credit, the rest of the standard characters are pretty good where as Genshin and HSR they're not.

I migrated to playing these games exclusively on PS5 thanks to the company's shady security features. Genshin had a database breach four years ago where UIDs and passwords were leaked resulting in a lot of stolen accounts.
The generosity doesn't come from the luck draws (that still depends on the individual). It's how they give tapes pretty frequently, and give out polychromes like candy.

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OwlRammer
01/13/25 5:22:08 PM
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Love the game it's my favorite of the Hoyoverse games, I can actually max out my characters easily unlike in Genshin where getting just one character to level 90 is such a slog and then I have to farm the gear too that I just stopped rolling for characters and stuck to using Barbara/Lisa the whole game just because I can beat everything with them and not have to mind break myself farming 4 new sets of gear and gemstones for a new team

Meanwhile in ZZZ I have like 11 characters pretty much fully built and am pre-farming for Astra Yao and can get her ready day 1 with all my leftover resources

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Kircheis
01/13/25 5:31:20 PM
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Lord_Ephraim posted...
I don't know where people get the idea that this game is generous. On average it takes about 76 pulls to get a S character and you have a 50/50 chance of getting that limited character. Fail the coinflip and you could end up with something completely worthless (Nekomiya). To ZZZ's credit, the rest of the standard characters are pretty good where as Genshin and HSR they're not.

I migrated to playing these games exclusively on PS5 thanks to the company's shady security features. Genshin had a database breach four years ago where UIDs and passwords were leaked resulting in a lot of stolen accounts.
Feels bad seeing people complain about getting Nekomiya when that's literally the one standard S rank I want now. She that bad? I don't really care as much about chasing meta right now. Like, people who've been playing longer than me are going crazy for the new characters, meanwhile I just want to pull for Ellen even though I'm already using Miyabi.

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Unknown5uspect
01/13/25 5:32:02 PM
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Lord_Ephraim posted...
I don't know where people get the idea that this game is generous. On average it takes about 76 pulls to get a S character and you have a 50/50 chance of getting that limited character. Fail the coinflip and you could end up with something completely worthless (Nekomiya). To ZZZ's credit, the rest of the standard characters are pretty good where as Genshin and HSR they're not.

I migrated to playing these games exclusively on PS5 thanks to the company's shady security features. Genshin had a database breach four years ago where UIDs and passwords were leaked resulting in a lot of stolen accounts.
Fail the coinflip and your next S rank is guaranteed banner character though. And that transfers across banners. So there is that.

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nocturnal_traveler
01/13/25 5:36:15 PM
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Kircheis posted...
Feels bad seeing people complain about getting Nekomiya when that's literally the one standard S rank I want now. She that bad? I don't really care as much about chasing meta right now. Like, people who've been playing longer than me are going crazy for the new characters, meanwhile I just want to pull for Ellen even though I'm already using Miyabi.
Physically, Neko is pretty weak. However, she's crazy fast to make up for it, and she goes well with setting up combos with other characters.

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Aysander
01/13/25 5:48:28 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
In Star rail, the 4* characters started off good. I remember when Fire MC and March 7th (Preservation) were considered top tier. Once ZZZ gets more premium characters the non-premium will drop off for the most part but not entirely

its been over a year since I played Genshin but I cant imagine that Bennett and Xingqiu are considered mid or lower these days

Bennet, Xingqui, Xiangling, and to a lesser extent Sucrose (Assuming you don't have Kazhua or someone who makes good use of VV) are some early 4 stars that still see some use. Diona, Yaoyao, and Barbara for different types of healing teams too.

But yeah, I'd say for Spiral Abyss *especially* you see a lot more people gravitating towards 5 star characters.

Should note the next 5 star in ZZZ, Astra, doesn't necessarily INVALIDATE Nicole either nor does it look like Evelyn is really going to be creeping out any Fire ATK unit (Soldier 11 or Burnice). The kit variety in ZZZ allows for a lot of sidegrading, which is really what a lot of the limited 5 star characters end up being.

Miyabi is a bit of an outlier here, but even then other Ice units still work for just about everything.

Star Rail was...always gonna be in a weird position, I feel. The game is BUILT for needing a Sustain since it's turnbased and you are guaranteed to get hit. However, very few of the Launch sustains are particularly good - March required too many stats to build and was too offensively oriented, Natasha is just in general a very bad healer beyond a certain point, and Gepard was almost immediately power creeped by the tag team of Fuxuan and Aventurine whose tank kits just function infinitely better.

And DPS saw themselves creeped extremely fast. It's arguably even worse now that the devs have decided specific "combat niches" would be elevated to full on expected team builds. See: Break, Ultimate, Summon, and Follow-Up-Attack teams. Very few just outright burst-y units from the older eras work quite as well anymore.

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Twinklestar
01/14/25 11:44:57 PM
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nocturnal_traveler posted...

You might count Koleda, but the recent story has shown us that she's an adult, but just has a small build.


Eh, Koleda's not as small as Klee. And Koleda's not even the shortest playable character. But even the shortest ZZZ playable character is still taller than Klee.

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nocturnal_traveler posted...

I like that both MCs are present, instead of Gemshins one playable MC and the other is who knows where, as well as Honkais only one MC is canon.


Yeah, that's another thing that makes ZZZ MCs unique.
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