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Geiki_Ganger
12/24/24 9:03:49 PM
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kirbymuncher
12/24/24 9:08:02 PM
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I think I'm like the opposite of the middle option

originally no, but the crazy attention this has gotten has made me really think about how lopsided and unfair everything related to criminal justice is and now I'm on yes because I hate everything involved in that process.

the actual health insurance whatever is totally irrelevant to me

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KaZooo
12/24/24 9:19:05 PM
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This situation is basically a platform to potentially address the systemic issues with our Healthcare and justice system, if not with UHC specifically. I'm not going to say "ideal", but I mean being able to call out shit like the overdone perpetual walk and narratives imposed by Adam's and such - there's been no other time to get into this.

We're probably going to remember Luigi more than Brian when it's all said and done. It already looks that way. "Brian is the guy Luigi killed" more than "Luigi is the guy who killed Brian". Brian has become figuratively interchangeable with UHC itself as the interpreted opposition in this contest.

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Giacomo_Hawkins
12/24/24 9:20:53 PM
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I'm not big on it one way or the other. I leave it in the hands of the jury and will trust their verdict.

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MrMolinaro
12/24/24 9:22:16 PM
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Free Luigi!
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bfslick50
12/24/24 9:24:28 PM
#6:


Originally no, murder is murder, send him to jail, but the more the state overreacts, the more I want him acquitted.

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El_Marsh
12/24/24 9:27:32 PM
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I have real shit to worry about. This means nothing to me.

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Storm_Shadow
12/24/24 9:35:09 PM
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The media's wealthy owners have saturated the airwaves and social media with their already-decided verdict of "guilty." How effective that will be is anyone's guess.

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lilORANG
12/24/24 9:35:49 PM
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He's presumed innocent so why is he in custody?

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Raikuro
12/24/24 9:48:04 PM
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Luigi is not guilty of terrorism
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tripleh213
12/24/24 9:48:40 PM
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LightSnake
12/24/24 10:10:45 PM
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Storm_Shadow posted...
The media's wealthy owners have saturated the airwaves and social media with their already-decided verdict of "guilty." How effective that will be is anyone's guess.

He kinda shot the guy on camera?

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Gheb
12/24/24 10:19:25 PM
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Assuming Luigi did the crime, then he absolutely committed murder and does need to face the appropriate consequences for it.

That said, I understand why he did it. The healthcare system in the country is broken on a fundamental level. It's easy to see how it could drive a person to extreme actions. I also don't believe the government is aiming for appropriate consequences. He's been wildly over-charged and the government has been behaving in a manner that I believe damages his chance for a fair trail. And if I have to choose between inappropriate consequences and no consequences, then I'm choosing the latter every time.

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Daremo
12/24/24 10:21:14 PM
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bfslick50 posted...
Originally no, murder is murder, send him to jail, but the more the state overreacts, the more I want him acquitted.


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Monopoman
12/24/24 10:27:02 PM
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They are going to make an example out of this guy, he is going to have the law come down so hard on him it will be unreal. You can kill a man but you can't kill what he stands for and right now billionaires better be watching their back.

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TheSuperSilver
12/24/24 10:38:58 PM
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He presumably killed a man in cold blood and as an adult he should take responsibility for his actions.

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SauI_Goodman
12/24/24 10:45:25 PM
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I agree with his ideology but not his method.

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DarkAssassin89
12/24/24 11:05:40 PM
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Guilty of murder but this should all be treated exactly as it would be if he killed a middle class neighbor or equivalent. The terrorism charge and over the top pomp and ceremony from the different levels of the justice system is abhorrent.

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Monopoman
12/24/24 11:16:44 PM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
He presumably killed a man in cold blood and as an adult he should take responsibility for his actions.

They are calling the act of one murder to a random guy terrorism, this is a level beyond just taking responsibility. He might get the death penalty, meanwhile some guy could murder his wife and kids in cold blood and get less.

Most people think he did something wrong, the question is how much punishment should he get.

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Humble_Novice
12/24/24 11:24:51 PM
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I have mixed feelings about this case. On one hand, he's frightened the wealthy elite enough to make them take action. On the other hand, I'm not sure if celebrating a killer with alt-right beliefs is a good idea.
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LightSnake
12/25/24 12:01:12 AM
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Monopoman posted...
They are calling the act of one murder to a random guy terrorism, this is a level beyond just taking responsibility. He might get the death penalty, meanwhile some guy could murder his wife and kids in cold blood and get less.

Most people think he did something wrong, the question is how much punishment should he get.

People were celebrating how he was striking a blow against the wealthy, putting fear into the hearts of CEOs and wielding violence for political ends. If he was doing that, then a terrorism charge isn't out of sorts.

He had one murder victim, no criminal background and has mental health issues. The odds he gets death federally are very small

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BlackScythe0
12/25/24 12:02:05 AM
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Free Luigi!
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
12/25/24 12:03:17 AM
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Did Flynn Scifo write this answer? XD

LightSnake posted...
People were celebrating how he was striking a blow against the wealthy, putting fear into the hearts of CEOs and wielding violence for political ends. If he was doing that, then a terrorism charge isn't out of sorts.
Legal Eagle went over the terrorism charge with a guest speaker who said it was a clear violation of KISS and was more likely than not to backfire since it gives Mangione a chance to pontificate on his ideals on the stand and raise the risk of Jury Nullification.

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TheSuperSilver
12/25/24 12:14:20 AM
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Monopoman posted...
They are calling the act of one murder to a random guy terrorism, this is a level beyond just taking responsibility. He might get the death penalty, meanwhile some guy could murder his wife and kids in cold blood and get less.

Most people think he did something wrong, the question is how much punishment should he get.
I'm not arguing one way or the other what the charges should be. I'm saying he killed a man in cold blood. He committed murder and needs to answer for that.

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mustachedmystic
12/25/24 12:21:54 AM
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On one hand, I cannot condone cold blooded murder, no matter who the victim is. On the other, I aint crying for the death of a health insurance executive when I have to pay a $800 deductible for an echocardiogram, pacer check, and 3 minutes with my cardiologist.

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BlackScythe0
12/25/24 12:22:31 AM
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TheSuperSilver posted...
I'm not arguing one way or the other what the charges should be. I'm saying he killed a man in cold blood. He committed murder and needs to answer for that.

Only if the jury agrees.
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LightSnake
12/25/24 12:35:23 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Only if the jury agrees.

Juries do weird things every day,nullification isn't impossible. Just extremely unlikely

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mustachedmystic
12/25/24 12:42:22 AM
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These fuckwads get tax breaks on top of tax breaks, when they are sitting on enough money to live like kings for thousands of years. Meanwhile I have to pay what for me is a large amount of money just for the basic maintenance to make sure I dont drop dead from a burst aneurysm.

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blacklabelice
12/25/24 12:44:54 AM
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whereas i don't have a whole lot of sympathy towards the dude that he murdered, but murder is murder and he needs to do the time.

you don't get to murder somebody just because you don't like them or you don't like the industry that they work in. if you feel like they did something wrong, then bring your evidence to the police and make the case through the courts.

the CEO has already been replaced, probably by some other rich elite guy, and the killer will likely spend the rest of his life in prison, so what exactly did his vigilante justice accomplish?

he shouldn't have done that. it was the wrong thing to do.

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DrizztLink
12/25/24 12:45:40 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
if you feel like they did something wrong, then bring your evidence to the police and make the case through the courts.
lol

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blacklabelice
12/25/24 12:49:26 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
lol


or, you could just you know, murder the guy in cold blood and see what happens. wouldn't recommend it. especially if it's against a member of law enforcement or the judicial system, a politician, a celebrity, or a rich dude with lots of money. then you know you're getting the book thrown at you.

but hey, life goes on. the company has a new CEO and they will carry on business as usual screwing over the american people in an industry that is designed to screw over the american people, and the murderer will likely never see the outsides of a prison. so what exactly did this whole thing accomplish?

the dude could be spending some time with his family through the holidays but instead he chose to throw his life away. the guy he murdered doesn't even get to go home. and the poor citizens will continue to get screwed over with their health care. none of this changes anything. it was just a sad waste of life.

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BlackScythe0
12/25/24 12:58:25 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
whereas i don't have a whole lot of sympathy towards the dude that he murdered, but murder is murder and he needs to do the time.

you don't get to murder somebody just because you don't like them or you don't like the industry that they work in. if you feel like they did something wrong, then bring your evidence to the police and make the case through the courts.

the CEO has already been replaced, probably by some other rich elite guy, and the killer will likely spend the rest of his life in prison, so what exactly did his vigilante justice accomplish?

he shouldn't have done that. it was the wrong thing to do.

Huh, that CEO got his murder company to murder a whole lot more people than they used to while he was in charge and no officials are concerned about it.

So what happened to "murder is murder"? Or do you just not care about institutional violence and pretend the things you can't see don't exist?
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blacklabelice
12/25/24 1:01:53 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
Huh, that CEO got his murder company to murder a whole lot more people than they used to while he was in charge and no officials are concerned about it.

So what happened to "murder is murder"? Or do you just not care about institutional violence and pretend the things you can't see don't exist?

i don't understand how this murderer obtained such a cult following all of a sudden. the dude murdered a guy in cold blood on the streets. there is no justification for that, as you will see when he gets handed down his prison and or death sentence.

the terrorism charges may be a little over the top but i guess thats the difference between murdering a common folk and murdering a rich executive.

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Solar_Crimson
12/25/24 1:17:13 AM
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Not necessarily, but it is a fact that the guy he killed is indirectly responsible for the deaths of far more people through his penny-pinching, and the way the media and the powers-that-be have been reacting to this (including the fucking terrorism charge) is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.

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ultimate_reaver
12/25/24 1:20:15 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
or, you could just you know, murder the guy in cold blood and see what happens. wouldn't recommend it. especially if it's against a member of law enforcement or the judicial system, a politician, a celebrity, or a rich dude with lots of money. then you know you're getting the book thrown at you.

but hey, life goes on. the company has a new CEO and they will carry on business as usual screwing over the american people in an industry that is designed to screw over the american people, and the murderer will likely never see the outsides of a prison. so what exactly did this whole thing accomplish?

the dude could be spending some time with his family through the holidays but instead he chose to throw his life away. the guy he murdered doesn't even get to go home. and the poor citizens will continue to get screwed over with their health care. none of this changes anything. it was just a sad waste of life.

blacklabelice posted...
i don't understand how this murderer obtained such a cult following all of a sudden. the dude murdered a guy in cold blood on the streets. there is no justification for that, as you will see when he gets handed down his prison and or death sentence.

the terrorism charges may be a little over the top but i guess thats the difference between murdering a common folk and murdering a rich executive.

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AbsolutelyNoOne
12/25/24 1:21:14 AM
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Solar_Crimson posted...
Not necessarily, but it is a fact that the guy he killed is indirectly responsible for the deaths of far more people through his penny-pinching, and the way the media and the powers-that-be have been reacting to this is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth.
adding to this, you know the media would've been very different if the guy Luigi murdered was say, a migrant who wasn't speaking English.

which I mention because exactly that happened the same day and that was out of the news in the same day. A thousand poor people can die and the media doesn't care. One rich guy causes them to lose their fucking minds.

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DrizztLink
12/25/24 1:26:04 AM
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AbsolutelyNoOne posted...
adding to this, you know the media would've been very different if the guy Luigi murdered was say, a migrant who wasn't speaking English.

which I mention because exactly that happened the same day and that was out of the news in the same day. A thousand poor people can die and the media doesn't care. One rich guy causes them to lose their fucking minds.
They also haven't made a lick of headway on finding the people involved, from everything I can find.

Weird, I thought murder was a big deal.

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rick_alverado
12/25/24 1:34:48 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
if you feel like they did something wrong, then bring your evidence to the police and make the case through the courts.

"Wrong" and "illegal" are two different things. And the richer you are, the less likely you are to face consequences for either.
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kirbymuncher
12/25/24 1:50:18 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
but hey, life goes on. the company has a new CEO and they will carry on business as usual screwing over the american people
for what it's worth, there are far more average people than CEOs, if they trade 1 for 1 eventually they will not be able to "carry on business as usual"

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blacklabelice
12/25/24 2:00:15 AM
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kirbymuncher posted...
for what it's worth, there are far more average people than CEOs, if they trade 1 for 1 eventually they will not be able to "carry on business as usual"

sure they will. everybody is expendable. everybody is replaceable. the wheels will keep on turning.


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ai123
12/25/24 2:04:26 AM
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I want him to have the presumption of innocence, a fair trial, and the best defence possible within the law.

No more, no less, than I would want for anyone accused of a crime.

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blacklabelice
12/25/24 2:13:39 AM
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i'm not aware that he committed any horrific crimes, but all i was saying is that if he did, then that's when you bring the evidence to authorities and let the court system deal with it instead of resorting to vigilante justice and throwing your own life away. i mean sure the american health care system is all corrupt and they put profits over people, but they are still abiding by the laws and regulations.

the guy was just an insurance executive who was living his life and had a family to go home to. he didn't deserve to be brutally murdered on the streets.

just because somebody works in a field of work that you feel is ripping you off does not give you a free pass to take a gun and murder them. if you feel otherwise, than perhaps you could try to join this guys legal team and try to make that kind of argument in a courtroom in his defense and maybe you will get somewhere, but you're not going to get anywhere with me on that kind of an argument. i am all about law and order, and murder is murder. you don't get to take another persons life just because you don't like them or their field of work, but if you choose to do so then you should face the consequences of your criminal actions.

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DrizztLink
12/25/24 2:17:23 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
i'm not aware that he committed any horrific crimes, but all i was saying is that if he did, then that's when you bring the evidence to authorities

blacklabelice posted...
i'm not aware that he committed any horrific crimes, but all i was saying is that if he did, then thats when you bring the evidence to authorities
Are you literally copypasting this shit from somewhere and forgot to proofread?

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blacklabelice
12/25/24 2:31:10 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Are you literally copypasting this shit from somewhere and forgot to proofread?

no i originally was going to post something longer but it seemed a little too long winded and redundant so i decided to move things around and shorten it out.

but if that's you're only response to what i said and you're not actually going to debate anything that i said then i guess we are done here. and besides, i don't want to spend christmas day, a day devoted to the birth of jesus christ, trying to come up with reasons why it should be acceptable to take a gun and take somebody elses life, when murder is illegal in every country in the world. jesus would not approve of that and it goes against the ten commandments.

i'm not going to lose any sleep over some corporate billionaire losing his life, but just because the american health care system sucks does not give anybody a free pass to take a gun and murder somebody in cold blood. that ain't gonna solve anything. one dude's going to spend the rest of his life in prison. the other guys life is already over. and within hours they had thousands of people stepping up to replace him. in the end nothing positive was accomplished and it was just a sad waste of lives all around.

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DrizztLink
12/25/24 2:32:16 AM
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blacklabelice posted...
besides, i don't want to spend christmas day, a day devoted to the birth of jesus christ, trying to come up with reasons why it should be acceptable to take a gun and take somebody elses life, when murder is illegal in every country in the world.
Nobody asked you to, so that's nice.

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spud
12/25/24 2:40:12 AM
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No one can defend certain health insurer practices but looking at povvo fuckers on r/antiwork turn this dude into a crusader of justice is too damn funny.
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AceMos
12/25/24 2:40:20 AM
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i cant believe some one is legit trying to say the legal system is fair and just in this country

when trump got away with leading a terrorist attack on the capital


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blacklabelice
12/25/24 2:40:45 AM
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DrizztLink posted...
Nobody asked you to, so that's nice.

and i am not going to. merry christmas.

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Foppe
12/25/24 3:03:09 AM
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If he walked up to somebody and killed them in cold blood, then he should be sentenced for it, not for terrorism.

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