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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:45:43 PM
#101:


Really for him to be scum means Sultan's scumgame has improved enough that he still commits his most obvious scumtell but doesn't always do it with a town member.

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:45:54 PM
#102:


No

I literally said he might be town because he wasn't actually following with a vote

Sultan sheeping something he doesn't believing AND VOTING FOR IT is the scum Sultan tell

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:46:18 PM
#103:


He didn't vote possibly because he was sheeping a scummate

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Obellisk
12/22/24 9:47:07 PM
#104:


Meow1000 posted...
It's honestly crazy that anyone would think I'd fake having such a shit role on day 1.

Ben correctly player metaed me right away on it.

without a full claim I can see reason to not get someone making sure to vote almost everyone. also, I approve of the changmas no vote. of the few words of day 1 i did read, Chang came out town.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:47:59 PM
#105:


Lopen posted...
No

I literally said he might be town because he wasn't actually following with a vote

Sultan sheeping something he doesn't believing AND VOTING FOR IT is the scum Sultan tell
The scum Sultan tell is specifically dropping the issue like he did, causing it to just be an offhanded sheep - Never coming up with his own arguments, or having previous arguments to augment it. It doesn't matter so much that he didn't vote right away, it only really mattered that he didn't vote when he came back and Scare was at 3. That's what really made it clear he sheeped Dumey just for show.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:48:24 PM
#106:


Obellisk posted...
without a full claim I can see reason to not get someone making sure to vote almost everyone. also, I approve of the changmas no vote. of the few words of day 1 i did read, Chang came out town.
Chang was the only person to actually volunteer.

It's the only reason he was the choice.

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EDumey
12/22/24 9:49:29 PM
#107:


Lopen OMGUS'ing like a champ. Love to see a player play calm and cool all D1 and immediately break down into emotional reacting the second he gets any attention on him.

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:50:36 PM
#108:


Meow1000 posted...
it. It doesn't matter so much that he didn't vote right away,

It does yes

SCUM Sultan specifically does it so he can park his vote

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EDumey
12/22/24 9:51:36 PM
#109:


Chang's vote at the end of the day after host messed up votals putting the wrong person in the lead was one of the votes I was most suspect of. Not enough to push Chang on, but just for reference I don't see why Scare or Sbell are considering him especially townie.

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:51:45 PM
#110:


EDumey posted...
Lopen OMGUS'ing like a champ. Love to see a player play calm and cool all D1 and immediately break down into emotional reacting the second he gets any attention on him.

I think you're smarter players than this

You read the day and you see the only reason Sultan was suspected was me and Ulti.

Literal idiot play if town to suspect me

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:52:12 PM
#111:


And while Dumey sure isn't confirmed town for it, there are sure people I'd lynch before him.

My question to you though is, why would you vote Dumey before Wall?

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:52:46 PM
#112:


Lopen posted...
It does yes

SCUM Sultan specifically does it so he can park his vote
Sultan already made a terrible excuse to park his vote on me. He wouldn't have had the direct need to park it on Scare.

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:53:03 PM
#113:


Wall wasn't stanning for Sultan?

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:53:26 PM
#114:


Lopen posted...
I think you're smarter players than this

You read the day and you see the only reason Sultan was suspected was me and Ulti.

Literal idiot play if town to suspect me
Bro I suspected the guy on page 1

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:53:46 PM
#115:


Lopen posted...
Wall wasn't stanning for Sultan?
Wall also made a terrible vote and you were voting him for it yesterday.

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Lopen
12/22/24 9:55:54 PM
#116:


I could be convinced to vote for wall if people convince me you're both idiots

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Meow1000
12/22/24 9:56:09 PM
#117:


Lopen posted...
I will say

If wallz is distracting from scum I kinda think it's Sultan

Sultan early wallz interactions feels like they could be mates


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Obellisk
12/22/24 9:57:51 PM
#118:


Meow1000 posted...
Chang was the only person to actually volunteer.

It's the only reason he was the choice.

oh that's funny.

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 9:58:33 PM
#119:


Lopen posted...
Oh also I claim Fry from Futurama, random schmuck frozen from 1990 ad, town vanilla

Why did you decide to claim here?

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:02:09 PM
#120:


changmas posted...
ok you start

This post

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:04:48 PM
#121:


Lopen posted...
I could be convinced to vote for wall if people convince me you're both idiots

Already did my brother.

EDumey posted... I think this is the second time I've hard defended Scum Sultan and been wrong on it, directly after getting mad at Sir Chris for vetoing a lynch on scum Sultan when I had him caught out for sure. lol. I will never hard defend him again cuz I clearly can't read him right.

And look at all of Blade/Peaf's arguments about them attacking Sultan for the way he was responding to things, even before the Lopen/Ulti claim situation, to see that you're not the messiah that caught out Sultan.

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:04:50 PM
#122:


Also I'm drunk. Just kinda playing loose

Do not give a shit it I'm lynched. You're an idiot or scum if you suspect me

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:05:58 PM
#123:


EDumey posted...


And look at all of Blade/Peaf's arguments about them attacking Sultan for the way he was responding to things, even before the Lopen/Ulti claim situation, to see that you're not the messiah that caught out Sultan.

Sultan had no momentum before me and Ulti broke him

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:06:28 PM
#124:


No one had any momentum. That was less than 24 hours into the day when that happened.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:09:05 PM
#125:


Ben gained momentum for his reaction to Lopen

Sultan had some momentum from various sources in the middle of the day, including many things that had nothing to do with you and Ulti

Scare suddenly got momentum primarily for "defending Ben and suspecting Sultan"

Sultan then got momentum back when I nailed him down

Wallz briefly had momentum after his terrible SBell vote.

That's pretty much all the swings we had yesterday. I still hold that Sultan's lynch is pretty much dead if I don't reignite it.

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:10:30 PM
#126:


You're delusional or scum

Delusional within your town range

You know Dumey is a better lynch than me though if town

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:10:53 PM
#127:


Counterpoint: Town should know Wall is a better lynch than Dumey

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:16:35 PM
#128:


EDumey posted...
Stop the ego plays. It just looks dumb. There are multiple explanations for how Sultan reacted to your fake claim. Including you being scum. Scum accidentally exposing other scum is a thing that happens because you don't have complete control over your teammates. You and I both pushed for Non-Sultan lynches at the end of the day. Acting like you're beyond suspicion is stupid and no one is falling for it. You know that's not how mafia works, so pretending like it is just makes me feel like you're being intentionally manipulative rather than sincere.

If you're town you should humble up and say you made a mistake rather than trying to triple down by both asserting you're obv town and voting Blade dumbly.
Going back to this point for a moment: My biggest worry about Lopen right now that he could be such a prideful shmuck as town that he just can't admit he totally shit the bed yesterday and would rather just keep hyping himself up as a hero when he was one of the biggest voices of opposition to the scum lynch in the game.

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 10:17:25 PM
#129:


I do appreciate activity but Im not sure we need 200 posts of Blade vs. Lopen to start day 2 >_>

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:20:57 PM
#130:


Well Wallz, the next one on the chopping block is you, since SBell came in with a very strong declaration on you. Did anything happen last night that SBell would suspect you for?

I was at least waiting to give everyone a chance to check in and confirm if they have any info before pushing anyone for claims or anything. But if you're eager to move the conversation from Lopen!

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:23:01 PM
#131:


wallmasterz posted...
I do appreciate activity but Im not sure we need 200 posts of Blade vs. Lopen to start day 2 >_>
I'm just confused as to how he directly pairs you and Sultan yesterday a couple of times and then decides Dumey is the better lynch to start today.

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:23:09 PM
#132:


Wallz probably town

Very logical "Lopen probably town because scum fakeclaim wouldn't throw Sultan off that much"

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:24:02 PM
#133:


Lopen posted...
You're delusional or scum

Delusional within your town range

You know Dumey is a better lynch than me though if town

Lopen humor me for just a moment. I'm giving you a hypothetical:

Dumey and Wallz are both town. Lopen and Blade are both town. Scare is town. Who were the two scum on the Sultan lynch that bussed him?

If you, me, and Blade are having an ego fight here as three town, then it's either Wallz +1 or 2 bussing scum, so I'm just exploring that scenario.

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:25:36 PM
#134:


Meow1000 posted...
I'm just confused as to how he directly pairs you and Sultan yesterday a couple of times and then decides Dumey is the better lynch to start today.

It's obviously because I provoked him and he's upset that he's seen as more sus than me after I so vocally defended Sultan through the day as a useful idiot.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:27:19 PM
#135:


EDumey posted...
Lopen humor me for just a moment. I'm giving you a hypothetical:

Dumey and Wallz are both town. Lopen and Blade are both town. Scare is town. Who were the two scum on the Sultan lynch that bussed him?

If you, me, and Blade are having an ego fight here as three town, then it's either Wallz +1 or 2 bussing scum, so I'm just exploring that scenario.
The worst votes on Sultan are the ones that came after he effectively gave up.

But I legitimately have no recollection whatsoever of when and why Corrik voted him.

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 10:28:09 PM
#136:


I dont have a problem with Lopen or Blade, but yes Id prefer to have some additional talking points as well.

Id be highly surprised if sbell claimed to suspect me on the basis of something that happened overnight. 99% chance it has to do with my voting record.

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:28:44 PM
#137:


Meow1000 posted...
The worst votes on Sultan are the ones that came after he effectively gave up.

But I legitimately have no recollection whatsoever of when and why Corrik voted him.

Funny enough Corrik also voted Sultan after he gave up! Just earlier! Corrik voted Sultan after Sultan made his sympathy "just vote me out this isn't fun" type of post when you were pressuring him.

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:30:58 PM
#138:


In my best changmas impression:

wallmasterz posted...
I dont have a problem with Lopen or Blade, but yes Id prefer to have some additional talking points as well.

Id be highly surprised if sbell claimed to suspect me on the basis of something that happened overnight. 99% chance it has to do with my voting record.

noted.

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:33:33 PM
#139:




EDumey posted...
Dumey and Wallz are both town. Lopen and Blade are both town. Scare is town. Who were the two scum on the Sultan lynch that bussed him?

Peaf and Ben

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Lopen
12/22/24 10:35:55 PM
#140:


Ben an ok lynch

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 10:38:03 PM
#141:


Lopen posted...
Peaf and Ben

Peaf didnt really ease my suspicion when he said he used all his juice on d1 and implied a lackluster start to d2. But I am working on my tunneling tendencies so dropped that for now out of respect for if real life or other circumstances have peaf needing a reprieve.

I have liked Ben thus far. If hes scum, I think hes played very well. Leaning town.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:43:18 PM
#142:


I would at least agree Peaf's start of day post was lackluster given he really didn't do a whole lot on day 1 to be talking about being out of juice already.

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Corrik7
12/22/24 10:43:35 PM
#143:


Dumey probably town

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EDumey
12/22/24 10:44:52 PM
#144:


Lopen posted...
Peaf and Ben
I think I agree with this.

Peaf parked his vote all day and never moved. Maybe you could say a scum Peaf would be more present and panic vote at end of day, like when he got himself lynched making panic plays in the Dating Mafia? Or he was content to bus Sultan from earlier and felt no need to act it up at EoD.

Ben's vote to put sultan in the lead with 10 minutes left was incredibly performative. Reminds me of when Ben wrote a huge essay about saving me seconds before a tie to show off a lot of "town effort". If scum board had already decided to bus Sultan at this point, then he looks to make himself look good by being the one to move from Scare to Sultan.

SBell was the first and fastest trigger after Sultan came back to vote in self preservation. I think he's mostly okay.

The following votes from Lopen/Chang/Ulti are all in the same tier jumping on after the lynch was already settled. In my eyes I really can't differentiate here.

I would not be surprised if scum is one of Lopen/Chang/Ulti + one of Ben/Peaf.

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 10:46:12 PM
#145:


changmas posted...
core town or core scum? lol

and after the sultan flavor flip, town points to dumey now for assuming a flavor split when it appears there isn't one (lol)

Chang, what part of sultans flip made you think there isnt a flavor split?

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:51:56 PM
#146:


EDumey posted...
I think I agree with this.

Peaf parked his vote all day and never moved. Maybe you could say a scum Peaf would be more present and panic vote at end of day, like when he got himself lynched making panic plays in the Dating Mafia? Or he was content to bus Sultan from earlier and felt no need to act it up at EoD.

Ben's vote to put sultan in the lead with 10 minutes left was incredibly performative. Reminds me of when Ben wrote a huge essay about saving me seconds before a tie to show off a lot of "town effort". If scum board had already decided to bus Sultan at this point, then he looks to make himself look good by being the one to move from Scare to Sultan.

SBell was the first and fastest trigger after Sultan came back to vote in self preservation. I think he's mostly okay.

The following votes from Lopen/Chang/Ulti are all in the same tier jumping on after the lynch was already settled. In my eyes I really can't differentiate here.

I would not be surprised if scum is one of Lopen/Chang/Ulti + one of Ben/Peaf.
Yeah I just... Don't suspect SBell.

I feel like Ben's vote wasn't "incredibly performative" but there was a little extra added on. I feel like he only added it if Sultan was already planning to effectively just roll over and die.

The one thing that's been lingering in my thoughts that just seems conspiracy theory: A bunch of people were saying that if one flipped town to lynch the other, and Sultan's role would've only worked if he also survived day 2.

So if Scare is town, it is possible that scum would decide to bus Sultan in that moment because they don't believe he can survive day 2.

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wallmasterz
12/22/24 10:54:17 PM
#147:


wallmasterz posted...
Chang, what part of sultans flip made you think there isnt a flavor split?

The more I think about it, the more saying seeing the ghost of Christmas yet to come flip implies no flavor split feels increasingly bizarre.

But in Changs defense, A Christmas Carol is a minor work with few adaptations, so he may be unfamiliar with the source material.

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Meow1000
12/22/24 10:55:34 PM
#148:


Bro I'm Jewish I have no idea what you're even talking about

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Obellisk
12/22/24 11:03:35 PM
#149:


wallmasterz posted...
But in Changs defense, A Christmas Carol is a minor work with few adaptations, so he may be unfamiliar with the source material.

this is sarcasm right?

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EDumey
12/22/24 11:14:08 PM
#150:


Meow1000 posted...
I feel like Ben's vote wasn't "incredibly performative" but there was a little extra added on. I feel like he only added it if Sultan was already planning to effectively just roll over and die.

Incredibly performative is definitely a little bit hyperbolic on my part. Just describing the paranoia I have with Ben while linking it to a time he previously did a little performative pre-lynch act to make himself look good. I want to give Ben town points for putting Sultan in the lead, but I am nervous doing so.

Obellisk posted...
this is sarcasm right?

lol i don't know about other places, but i grew up in the american midwest and everyone and their mothers knows and has seen a christmas carol. i'm pretty sure i saw it multiple times in school even.

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