Board 8 > Time Travelers Mafia Topic 2: You Can (Not) Change the Past

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Leafeon13N posted...

Did anyoneclaim while i was sleeping.

Nope.

The game kinda died until Lopen/Ulti/I moved around votes and provoked people into action.

Leafeon13N posted...

Did anyoneclaim while i was sleeping.

Not that i noticed

wallmasterz posted...

but if hes well enough to pop in then I expect a little more curiosity, commentary, or more or something, really. I like the calm and slightly sassy attitude hes responded with.

I've read 10% of the game. I respond to things I see current when I open my eyes. I have been trying to sleep for the last 48 hours, it's not great.

with that said, you probably could have gathered that on your own. it was a bad road to go down with everything else that appears to be afoot.

I will vote you now.

##vote: wallz

I'm not totally averse to a Wallz special, but I'd like to not have the pressure on Scare evaporate before he shows up. I think if Scare just doesn't show up at all before deadline, I would vote for a Scare lynch over a Wallz one.

Wall's topic 2 summary:

Page 1: Makes jokes
Page 2: Asks SBell for reads
Page 3: Talks about NL
Page 4: Naked votes SBell
Page 5: Makes jokes about his SBell vote and backpedals under pressure with his first post of the entire topic resembling content

EDumey posted...

I'm not totally averse to a Wallz special, but I'd like to not have the pressure on Scare evaporate before he shows up. I think if Scare just doesn't show up at all before deadline, I would vote for a Scare lynch over a Wallz one.

I'm still pretty much just waiting to see if Scare shows up and says anything

EDumey posted...

I think if Scare just doesn't show up at all before deadline, I would vote for a Scare lynch over a Wallz one.

I think 2/3 scum+ are in wallz/Scare/Sultan so I'm not opposed

I didnt realize poking Sbell with a vote would create so much excitement. Thats hot.

I'd like to say though, it's funny seeing Wallz ignore the main trains and splinter vote SBell for lack of contribution when Wallz has contributed absolutely nothing in this entire topic, which is now over a day old.

Lopen posted...

I'm here but I don't have a lot to say

Vote scare? I mean if we really want a special since Wallz is pushing for one I could be convinced to lynch wallz maybe

See this bothers me. I thought your only reason for voting scare was on the prerequisite that I was scum. Wasn't expecting you to actually want the day to end that way.

It's really the combination of NL stanning + that for me

Also you've been very passive. You're basically still posting like we're t1p1

UltimaterializerX posted...

Thats the other thing bugging me. Ben was hard sussed and it died for no real reason.

Im on mobile so its hard to find. Did anyone defend Ben and sus Sultan?

UltimaterializerX posted...

##Unvote
##Vote: Scare

Sure lets have fun.

Lopen posted...

##Vote: Scare

They're called unholy because they think backwards. If you think Scare is scum for doing that, it only works on the assumption I am scum. So it seems like you should want to figure me out first (Scare can still be scum completely independent of this so this is not a defense of Scare but a questioning for Lopen)

Btw Ulti had Friday night magic as his excuse last night but what is his excuse today. He's been almost a nonfactor outside of his direct responses with Lopen

I think Scare's attitude towards you is scummy in general but it could be pocketing not power wolfing

Meow1000 posted...

I'd like to say though, it's funny seeing Wallz ignore the main trains and splinter vote SBell for lack of contribution when Wallz has contributed absolutely nothing in this entire topic, which is now over a day old.

I have no preference among the main trains. Hell, Id still go for a no lynch.

Lopen said that would be cowardly, but I disagree. An unwillingness to lynch half the game on a whim is a lack of reckless abandon, not cowardice.

Meow1000 posted...

I'm still pretty much just waiting to see if Scare shows up and says anything

Doubtful but i don't think I'm interested in a scare lynch.

wallmasterz posted...

I have no preference among the main trains. Hell, Id still go for a no lynch.

Lopen said that would be cowardly, but I disagree. An unwillingness to lynch half the game on a whim is a lack of reckless abandon, not cowardice.

Ignoring any comment =/= Showing no preference.

That's the issue I hold.

wallmasterz posted...

I have no preference among the main trains. Hell, Id still go for a no lynch.

Lopen said that would be cowardly, but I disagree. An unwillingness to lynch half the game on a whim is a lack of reckless abandon, not cowardice.

Sorry man but its also just...the wrong play. Unless there is a specific reason to do it. And lack of information is not the reason. That's the biggest reason you would want to actually lynch

Can someone go back and look for that one game where FD got like 4 people to vote no lynch on day 1 (or maybe 2?) and see if wallz was one

unfortunately its usually death who is willing to do that sort of thing :/

Similarly I feel about you and Blade but I feel you've more effectively defended your thoughts on Blade so I'm humoring scum teams without you on them now.

Meow1000 posted...

Ignoring any comment =/= Showing no preference.

That's the issue I hold.

What do you want me to comment on? I dont believe Lopen is the link slayer, I believe you had a valid reason as part of your role for voting everyone, scares logic is scum or bad town because 1) people dont have to do what they said in a prior DTC and 2) ultis logic was factually incorrect, and therefore not worth sheeping.

Its day 1, my in laws are visiting, I just texted my own dad not to contact me or my family today. Sorry my content hasnt been meaningful enough in topic 2 bro.

By the way Sultan you have 3 posts in the last 3 pages and one of them is showing preference for a Scare lynch you never actually voted for.

What about Dumey's arguments against Scare do you like so much but apparently not enough to get off of splintervoting me?

wallmasterz posted...

What do you want me to comment on? I dont believe Lopen is the link slayer, I believe you had a valid reason as part of your role for voting everyone, scares logic is scum or bad town because 1) people dont have to do what they said in a prior DTC and 2) ultis logic was factually incorrect, and therefore not worth sheeping.

Its day 1, my in laws are visiting, I just texted my own dad not to contact me or my family today. Sorry my content hasnt been meaningful enough in topic 2 bro.

The whole point was you'd never said a single thing about the vote leader until that point. Now you have.

changmas posted...

Can someone go back and look for that one game where FD got like 4 people to vote no lynch on day 1 (or maybe 2?) and see if wallz was one

unfortunately its usually death who is willing to do that sort of thing :/

I looked it up. Toy Story mafia. https://(website here that may be banned or something?).com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80746333?page=3

Wallz was hosting lol

PunishedBen posted...

I looked it up. Toy Story mafia. https://(website here that may be banned or something?).com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80746333?page=3

Wallz was hosting lol

awfully scummy to be hosting if you ask me

Meow1000 posted...

The whole point was you'd never said a single thing about the vote leader until that point. Now you have.

I dont care if scare is lynched, Id certainly prefer it to my own lynch. We have barely played together, I want to say we played once together. So hes not someone I have much history to go off of. His reasoning stunk regardless of alignment and he hasnt done anything else seemingly, but town has crappy reasoning all the time and gets mislynched for it.

changmas posted...

awfully scummy to be hosting if you ask me

Fair

wallmasterz posted...

His reasoning stunk regardless of alignment and he hasnt done anything else seemingly

My problem is I feel like that's enough for town wallz to help push that one and not create a random splinter with no strong conviction on it.

UltimaterializerX posted...

What is this random wall train

He's randomly running interference on the trains and as such must be destroyed rather than figuring out if it's Sultan or Scare he's distracting from

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

I actually really like dumeys point on Scare

#113

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Why sbell exactly?

#204

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

If you're going inactive sure but so i Corrik and Changmas

#225

These are the three posts. This feels like Sultan setting himself up to vote Scare, then going into lurk mode instead of actually doing it as the pressure started to drop back off of him, only popping back in to question Wallz' bad vote.

He makes no further comment on Dumey's point or what he likes about it, makes no further comment on Scare, and is sitting there with a splinter vote he placed for next to no reason that's doing nothing near the end of the day.

I don't like it at all.

Lopen posted...

My problem is I feel like that's enough for town wallz to help push that one and not create a random splinter with no strong conviction on it.

Did I push Sbell or did I vote sbell until I got a response instead of radio silence? If I want someone lynched I generally tunnel the shit out of them. This was not me trying to bury sbell.

UltimaterializerX posted...

What is this random wall train

Scum and/or uncertain town throwing poop at the Wallz to see what sticks.

Lopen posted...

He's randomly running interference on the trains and as such must be destroyed rather than figuring out if it's Sultan or Scare he's distracting from

I do want to say, I rarely ever see scum players here, unless they're like Chris levels of confident in their scum play, intentionally push town a direction on day 1 or distract from a scum lynch. Usually they're just trying to find an excuse for making a splinter vote day 1 to avoid scum. So I'm not going to be able to entertain that scum Wallz today would have was looking to run interference.

I do get the impression Wallz was just trying to get Sbell to respond by pushing him, and was not intending to silently park his vote on Sbell for the rest of the day. So I think the vote on Sbell was completely fine.

Ok yeah Sultan has not mentioned Scare once this entire topic. He conveniently set himself up to lynch him after Dumey's vote, but didn't do so after Ulti and Lopen put it to 3.

And that we have right there is scum Sultan sheeping an argument he doesn't believe and can't elaborate further on while simultaneously setting up to vote a potential counterwagon.

##Vote: Sultan

Kill it.

And Dumey is most likely town based on the way Sultan sheeped him.

It's probably just Sultan Wallz Scare

It'll be funny

As for who looks like they are trying to park a vote that seems justified enough and sit on it? Currently that would be Scare.

Corrik too, I guess, but he's Corrik. Immune to day 1, to my displeasure. Yeah I'm not afraid of saying it

wallmasterz posted...

Did I push Sbell or did I vote sbell until I got a response instead of radio silence? If I want someone lynched I generally tunnel the shit out of them. This was not me trying to bury sbell.

Scum and/or uncertain town throwing poop at the Wallz to see what sticks.

Ninja'd by the man himself. Yeah I actually like Wallz for the Sbell vote. At the very worst it was a neutral move that didnt seem malicious at all.

PunishedBen posted...

As for who looks like they are trying to park a vote that seems justified enough and sit on it? Currently that would be Scare.

Corrik too, I guess, but he's Corrik. Immune to day 1, to my displeasure. Yeah I'm not afraid of saying it

Scare has the worst vote on Sultan
Sultan apparently wants to lynch Scare but didn't justify himself or even do it when it became open
Wall made a terrible vote that ran interference.

I mean mathematically speaking there's almost certainly gotta be at least one town in there, but they all look bad.

But Sultan is the same doing the exact thing I said you can catch him doing as scum earlier: Sheeping without belief or followthrough.

Meow1000 posted...

Ok yeah Sultan has not mentioned Scare once this entire topic. He conveniently set himself up to lynch him after Dumey's vote, but didn't do so after Ulti and Lopen put it to 3.

And that we have right there is scum Sultan sheeping an argument he doesn't believe and can't elaborate further on while simultaneously setting up to vote a potential counterwagon.

##Vote: Sultan

Kill it.

This is why I asked this in 2.184 btw.

EDumey posted... scum sultan or sultan in general?

But Lopen said just sultan in general.

I don't necessarily believe the framework that it's a vote he doesn't believe in. But it is sultan following someone (me) who had just very vocally defended him and posted against the quality of the votes on him before.

Votals 56 minutes before deadline
[4] Sultan - Peaf, Scare, (Lopen), Corrik, (Blade), Blade
[3] Wallz - (Sultan), (Blade), Lopen, Changmas, Sbell
[2] Scare - Dumey, Ulti, (Lopen)
[1] Blade - (Sultan), (Blade), Sultan, (Lopen)
[1] Lopen - (Corrik), (Sultan), Red, (Blade)
[0] Ben - (Lopen), (Ulti), (Blade), (Dumey), (Blade)
[0] Sbell - (Blade), (Wallz)
[0] Dumey - (Blade), (Lopen), (Dumey), (Scare)
[0] Changmas - (Dumey)
[0] Corrik - (Ulti), (Blade)
[0] Peaf - (Blade), (Ulti)
[0] Red - (Blade)
[0] Scare - (Blade)
[0] Ulti - (Lopen), (Sultan), (Blade)

Lopen posted...

I think it's a bad thread to pursue and Blade has the right idea on how to catch Sultan for sheeping

^

EDumey posted...

But it is sultan following someone (me) who had just very vocally defended him and posted against the quality of the votes on him before.

And that right there is why it looks so bad given his behavior since. He buddied up to the guy defending him, but had nothing of substance to actually buddy up to him with, nor did he have any followthrough to it. It was a post that sheeped you for the sake of sheeping you. He has given no read on Scare at all and completely ignored the train after saying he liked your reasons for starting it.

Ben and Wallz are the ones with no vote down right now. Though Wallz just recently had one and unvoted after some minor feedback from the public.

Red's vote is probably on a dead train, as I don't see anyone swinging onto Lopen in this last hour.

Sultan's vote on Blade technically not dead, but very close to be. I fully expect Sultan's vote to move in self defense before end of day.

EDumey posted...

Red's vote is probably on a dead train, as I don't see anyone swinging onto Lopen in this last hour.

I dont have interest in the current trains.

I hope SUltan makes that self defense move sooner rather than later.

I'll be here until deadline so I'm prepared to be the deciding vote. :)

EDumey posted...

Ben and Wallz are the ones with no vote down right now. Though Wallz just recently had one and unvoted after some minor feedback from the public.

Red's vote is probably on a dead train, as I don't see anyone swinging onto Lopen in this last hour.

Sultan's vote on Blade technically not dead, but very close to be. I fully expect Sultan's vote to move in self defense before end of day.

My question is still just going to be "Why isn't he on Scare already?"

Meow1000 posted...

And that right there is why it looks so bad given his behavior since. He buddied up to the guy defending him, but had nothing of substance to actually buddy up to him with, nor did he have any followthrough to it. It was a post that sheeped you for the sake of sheeping you. He has given no read on Scare at all and completely ignored the train after saying he liked your reasons for starting it.

Yeah I'm not gonna defend Sultan on this one. That's up to him and anyone else that disagrees with Lopen and your player read assessment on him.

I am nervous to go back onto the lynch that Scare is on after we got some activity from moving votes onto non-Sultan lynches.

All I'll say is that if we end up lynching Sultan here and he's town, I'm probably tunneling Scare tomorrow. If Sultan is scum I'll apologize and reevaluate. I do not like Scare not being here yet for deadline, and if we're gonna push anyone for a claim, we should probably do it while we still have at least 30 minutes to spare.

I don't think Sultan sheeping Dumey while being not fully convinced is damning because there was no vote