Poll of the Day > Perfect Video Game Sequels

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Salrite
12/19/24 10:03:07 PM
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Sequels to games that you would consider to be purely an improvement over the original with no downsides. The first title doesn't necessarily need to be a good game, but often is when this seems to occur.

To me, I'd go with We Love Katamari and Binding of Isaac Rebirth. Games that take the original winning concept and just improve it in every way while still maintaining the same feel of the original while also making it feel fresh.

Maybe there were some annoying modes in We Love Katamari, but it's barely noticeable in the whole product.
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Damn_Underscore
12/19/24 10:05:29 PM
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All the Tony Hawk sequels up to THUG2

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ParanoidObsessive
12/19/24 10:22:03 PM
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Baldur's Gate II.

Day of the Tentacle.

GTA and the Saints Row franchise, if you count the third game as a sequel, rather than being strict that only the second game counts for your question.

Maybe Elder Scrolls, depending on who you're asking and which game you're pointing to as the perfect "sequel", and with the same caveat as the above two.







Halo 2 if you discount the ending.



It's hard to really come up with answers to this question if you ignore franchise-churn games like fighting games and most sports games (with incremental changes and roster updates). Most games that are really great usually wind up having somewhat downer sequels (Horizon: Zero Dawn), or at least games that are better in some ways but worse in others (KotOR2).

Nothing else really pops to mind immediately. For most of the examples I mentioned I really had to dig deep in my brain to think of them.

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faramir77
12/19/24 10:23:57 PM
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Pokemon Gold and Silver were massive improvements in nearly every single way. You could argue that the level progression was worse in Gold and Silver, but it wasn't exactly great in Red and Blue either.

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Zareth
12/19/24 10:49:55 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
GTA and the Saints Row franchise, if you count the third game as a sequel, rather than being strict that only the second game counts for your question.
Ok I've disagreed with some of your takes in the past but Saints Row the Third being a straight up improvement over the second is on another level of bad

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Zareth
12/19/24 10:50:33 PM
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Mega Man 2. The first game feels like a beta in comparison.

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Salrite
12/19/24 10:53:55 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
Baldur's Gate II.

Day of the Tentacle.

GTA and the Saints Row franchise, if you count the third game as a sequel, rather than being strict that only the second game counts for your question.

Maybe Elder Scrolls, depending on who you're asking and which game you're pointing to as the perfect "sequel", and with the same caveat as the above two.
I didn't know Day of the Tentacle was a sequel. Never played it either way. But I think I have it on Steam.

I could see considering GTA, but I was more thinking of "Direct Sequels" as in the second game to an original work. GTA has so many iterations and so many people have varying opinions on what works and what doesn't. Even if they love the game as a whole, they'll often still have things to complain about. GTA5 did a lot of great things but its biggest issues are lack of interiors, over-reliance on microtransactions and cancelled single player DLC.

I would fully agree that Saint's Row 2 is the superior title in the franchise and would consider it a perfect evolution from the first title. The series really jumped the shark with the third title and blew that shark up with a rocket launcher afterwards.

Elder Scrolls? I haven't played anything prior to Morrowind, so I can't speak for those titles, but A LOT of people fault each of those later titles for something. Many people consider Morrwind the pinnacle of the franchise while others think it archaic. Skyrim was massively popular, but it cut a lot of corners and suffered greatly in a lot of areas.

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Salrite
12/19/24 10:56:12 PM
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faramir77 posted...
Pokemon Gold and Silver were massive improvements in nearly every single way. You could argue that the level progression was worse in Gold and Silver, but it wasn't exactly great in Red and Blue either.
Holy shit, yes! Like, didn't they let you go through all of Kanto again in the post game? That blew me away when I was a kid!
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Lokarin
12/19/24 11:16:22 PM
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Lufia 2 is greatest of all goat

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PMarth2002
12/19/24 11:32:57 PM
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Melee.

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ParanoidObsessive
12/20/24 2:49:12 AM
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Zareth posted...
Ok I've disagreed with some of your takes in the past but Saints Row the Third being a straight up improvement over the second is on another level of bad

Depends on what you want out of a game. SR2 was probably the better game if you want something more to the GTA clone it started out as, or a more dramatic game with comedy elements, but I had far more fun with SR3 as a silly fun romp than I did SR2 (though I liked both). SR3 also feels like a more simplified, polished version of the game. It also does a much better job of integrating all the side mission activites into the game than SR2 does, where they're almost entirely disconnected beyond the fact that you need to seek them out yourself and do them to gain enough points to unlock story missions. So to each their own. I wouldn't necessarily call bullshit on anyone who preferred SR2 to SR3 though.

Also, I get the impression that you disagree with most of my takes because you dislike me personally, which is why I usually take most of your posts with a massive grain of salt. You're kind of in the same boat as Helly and a couple other people here in that respect, where I don't really take much of what you say all that seriously because of it. But hey, you do you.

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TheSlinja
12/20/24 6:57:49 AM
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agree with gold and silver and pokemon tcg2 basically has the entirety of tcg1 in it too, a huge improvement
also battle network 2 is so crazy better than 1 its unbelievable

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aHappySacka
12/20/24 7:21:50 AM
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PMarth2002 posted...
Melee.


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Nade_Duck
12/20/24 9:37:09 AM
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anything that valve has slapped a 2 on has been amazing and has typically only greatly improved on its predecessor in most ways.

really sucks they still haven't figured out how to count higher than that.

it's also weird to me that nobody's mentioned mass effect 2 or super metroid yet.

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Dmess85
12/20/24 9:38:16 AM
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Super C was a good sequel to Contra

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Nichtcrawler-X
12/20/24 10:39:34 AM
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Golden Sun: the Lost Age

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SilentSeph
12/20/24 10:39:34 AM
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Legacy of Goku 2 and Buu's Fury

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FatalAccident
12/20/24 10:43:37 AM
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Mass effect 2

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TheSlinja
12/20/24 12:22:29 PM
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SilentSeph posted...
Legacy of Goku 2 and Buu's Fury
legacy of goku 2 might actually be the biggest sequel quality gap of all time

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bruplex
12/20/24 12:45:29 PM
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- Guacamelee 2
- Portal 2
- Tie Fighter
- Mega Man 2
- Ninja Gaiden 2
- Super Punch-Out!!

To name a few.

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MICHALECOLE
12/20/24 12:50:46 PM
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Snowboard kids 2
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SilentSeph
12/20/24 1:01:03 PM
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TheSlinja posted...
legacy of goku 2 might actually be the biggest sequel quality gap of all time
Word the first game made me want to flush the cartridge down the toilet but 2 was better in every possible way

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Joelypoely
12/20/24 5:26:06 PM
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Super Mario Galaxy 2
Tony Hawk's Underground 2
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TimeForAction
12/20/24 5:39:00 PM
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Lokarin posted...
Lufia 2 is greatest of all goat

came in to say this

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MICHALECOLE
12/20/24 5:39:58 PM
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Red dead redemption 2
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captpackrat
12/20/24 5:59:07 PM
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Goat Simulator 3 is light years ahead of Goat Simulator.

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captpackrat
12/20/24 6:02:12 PM
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Euro Truck Simulator 2 and American Truck Simulator are much better than the original Euro Truck Simulator, 18 Wheels of Steel, and Hard Truck

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Salrite
12/20/24 7:41:40 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Snowboard kids 2
I really want to play those games again
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Damn_Underscore
12/20/24 9:00:25 PM
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NBA Street Vol 2 is a great answer as well. That game was so much fun, the golden era of sports games

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Snake
12/20/24 10:55:18 PM
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Metal Gear Solid

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MICHALECOLE
12/20/24 10:59:36 PM
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Salrite posted...
I really want to play those games again
Too bad you never will
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KJ_StErOiDs
12/21/24 1:13:48 AM
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Street Fighter II

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DirtBasedSoap
12/21/24 1:37:50 AM
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The Last of Us Part II still blows my mind that they went in the direction they did. I guess it didnt land for some but I loved it

RDRII
Halo 2 and 3
Uncharted 2
Crash Bandicoot 2

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sabin017
12/21/24 1:48:03 AM
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Freespace 2
Literally so good that there was no where else for the genre to go and it died.

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Muscles
12/21/24 2:01:36 AM
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Sims 2
Battle for Middle-Earth II
Battlefront II

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Zareth
12/21/24 2:48:37 AM
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sabin017 posted...
Freespace 2
Literally so good that there was no where else for the genre to go and it died.
Reminds me of that tupperware company whose products were too good and nobody needed to buy new ones so they went out of business

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Salrite
12/21/24 9:27:35 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Too bad you never will
dafuq you talking about? Just got a rom downloaded last night
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MICHALECOLE
12/21/24 9:29:31 PM
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Salrite posted...
dafuq you talking about? Just got a rom downloaded last night
We got him

book him Dan-o
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Salrite
12/21/24 9:33:39 PM
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Come and get me!
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Damn_Underscore
12/21/24 10:36:55 PM
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Joelypoely posted...
Super Mario Galaxy 2
Tony Hawk's Underground 2

I meant up thru THUG2, I think THUG2 has the best gameplay in the series (best soundtrack is another argument)

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MICHALECOLE
12/21/24 10:44:26 PM
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Thug 1 > all Tony hawks in my opinion

thug 2 was a major step back and then it was all downhill from there
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Salrite
12/21/24 10:46:49 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug 1 > all Tony hawks in my opinion

thug 2 was a major step back and then it was all downhill from there
I never played THUG2, but THUG1 was really really good. Definitely my favorite Tony Hawk game. Also the last one I played.
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MICHALECOLE
12/21/24 10:51:55 PM
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Thug 2 was fine, it was terrible, they just focused on the wrong stuff that made thug great. Then American wasteland got worse, then there were other ones after that that were bad as well

I heard from the internet after the remake of 1&2 they were going to remake thug but cancelled it

which is just some straight horseradish
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Damn_Underscore
12/21/24 10:59:52 PM
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THUG 1 has a better story, THUG 2 has better gameplay

I agree THAW is a downgrade

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MICHALECOLE
12/21/24 11:00:46 PM
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That was supposed to say it wasnt terrible

I dont like editing posts
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Salrite
12/21/24 11:03:00 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
Thug 2 was fine, it was terrible, they just focused on the wrong stuff that made thug great.
Could you elaborate? It's honestly been a really long time since I've played THUG1, but I just really remember loving the story and the "open-ish" world where you could skate around and do different side missions in. It also gave you a feeling of going through the process of building yourself up as a name in the skating world.
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MICHALECOLE
12/21/24 11:09:33 PM
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Salrite posted...
Could you elaborate? It's honestly been a really long time since I've played THUG1, but I just really remember loving the story and the "open-ish" world where you could skate around and do different side missions in. It also gave you a feeling of going through the process of building yourself up as a name in the skating world.
I havent played it since like 2005 but I remember them basically turning it into bam margera the video game
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Salrite
12/21/24 11:13:49 PM
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MICHALECOLE posted...
I havent played it since like 2005 but I remember them basically turning it into bam margera the video game
I can understand that...
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agesboy
12/21/24 11:26:41 PM
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golden sun 2 was essentially better in every conceivable way, and the game that comes after it is probably in the runnings for the worst video game sequels

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