Current Events > Shapiro Upset Over Biden Commuting Sentence of Non-Violent Offender

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battourye
12/14/24 4:26:20 PM
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https://penncapital-star.com/criminal-justice/shapiro-conahan-says-biden-commuting-kids-for-cash-judges-sentence-absolutely-wrong/

Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully, Shapiro said. I study every single case that comes across my desk where theres a request for a pardon or clemency or a reduction of sentence, and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case. I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings. I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.
I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden, Shapiro added. So Ill offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in northeastern Pennsylvania.
On Thursday, Biden announced he was commuting the sentences of roughly 1,500 people who were placed in home confinement during the coronavirus pandemic, and granted pardons to 39 people convicted of nonviolent crimes.
As President, I have the great privilege of extending mercy to people who have demonstrated remorse and rehabilitation, restoring opportunity for Americans to participate in daily life and contribute to their communities, and taking steps to remove sentencing disparities for non-violent offenders, especially those convicted of drug offenses, Biden said Thursday.

Sorry, but I have to side with the ACLU here: pardoning and commuting non-violent offenders is actually a good thing.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-celebrates-president-bidens-clemency-announcement-allowing-hundreds-to-remain-in-their-communities

We can only hope that Biden continues freeing non-violent offenders, in accordance with abolitionist viewpoints.

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Zikten
12/14/24 4:35:00 PM
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Trump pardoned a military guy who murdered a kid in the middle east. It wasn't even a preemptive pardon. The guy went to trial, and was convicted.
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Trumble
12/14/24 4:38:40 PM
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battourye posted...
Sorry, but I have to side with the ACLU here: pardoning and commuting non-violent offenders is actually a good thing.
Depends on the offence, but for most drug offences (the exception being supply - not just use / possession - of hard drugs like meth), I agree.

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DrizztLink
12/14/24 4:40:29 PM
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Do we have any Shapiros who aren't actual knuckledraggers?

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THRILLH0USE
12/14/24 4:44:15 PM
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Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO.
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darkace77450
12/14/24 4:48:22 PM
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Shaprio's 100% right to criticize Biden for this.
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ultimate_reaver
12/14/24 4:50:34 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO.


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Intro2Logic
12/14/24 4:51:10 PM
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I don't think the wrongful imprisonment of children is non-violent.

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Flaming_Fire619
12/14/24 4:56:41 PM
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THRILLH0USE posted...
Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO.

Yeah. Between this and the clemency to a person that ran a Ponzi scheme to the tune of 900 MILLION dollars, this is worth calling Biden out on.

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BlueTigerLion
12/14/24 5:01:27 PM
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Thought this was about Ben Shapiro. Didnt expect it to be a Democrat criticizing Biden.

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LightSnake
12/14/24 5:04:41 PM
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darkace77450 posted...
Shaprio's 100% right to criticize Biden for this.

This is a monkey's paw moment for progressive activists, tbh. The ACLU demanded to the tune of spending over 6 figures that he pardon every non-violent offender on house release under the CARES Act. There was absolutely zero vetting of who was on that list.

And here we have a prisoner in his 70s on house arrest with only 2 years left in his term. The odds of offending again are literally zero...by activist standards, there's really no reason not to commute his sentence.

Every box checked except "The crime is unforgivably evil" and, well...I'd agree with them that this sort of thing shouldn't have any mercy attached to it. But maybe this should be a serious lesson for some folks that a lot of people in federal prison, even if they're listed under "nonviolent offender" have committed really horrible crimes.

This is also why he's likely not gonna commute the sentences of those on Death Row, because the headlines'll go with "Biden spares Dylan Storm Roof."


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lilORANG
12/14/24 5:07:03 PM
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It depends on context but if someone was found guilty after a jury trial it seems to be a bit of a slap in the face to the community that found that person guilty to just be like "nah she's good"

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Bio1590
12/14/24 5:08:39 PM
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There's *a lot* of people that ended up getting their sentences commuted under this that absolutely should not have been given their crimes.

Also I'm pretty sure one of the kids this judge sent to prison committed suicide over it, so calling it "non-violent" is like an abuse of the word.

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TheFuzz3451
12/14/24 5:12:16 PM
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I get that it was a blanket commute but the admin should've carved out an exception to exclude the kids for cash judge

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TheFuzz3451
12/14/24 5:16:30 PM
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BlueTigerLion posted...
Thought this was about Ben Shapiro. Didnt expect it to be a Democrat criticizing Biden.

It makes sense for Josh Shapiro specifically to criticize this:

1. The cash for kids scandal took place in PA so he has that connection. There was a whole documentary about it, it was a pretty big scandal at the time.

2. Shapiro is pretty openly angling for a 2028 run and he's gonna try and carve out a lane distancing itself from Biden

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EPR-radar
12/14/24 5:17:57 PM
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Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job? Activist groups always ask for everything. In fact, that's their job.

That doesn't mean they should get it.

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LightSnake
12/14/24 5:18:15 PM
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TheFuzz3451 posted...
I get that it was a blanket commute but the admin should've carved out an exception to exclude the kids for cash judge

non violent offenders on house arrest sounded nice on paper but nobody seems to have bothered to vet them. There are some horrific people involived in this

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LightSnake
12/14/24 5:19:11 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job? Activist groups always ask for everything. In fact, that's their job.

That doesn't mean they should get it.

nah, the ACLU owns this. Activist groups always get a bizarre pass and that needs to stop. They can be criticized when they screw up

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EPR-radar
12/14/24 5:25:21 PM
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LightSnake posted...
nah, the ACLU owns this. Activist groups always get a bizarre pass and that needs to stop. They can be criticized when they screw up
No, it's the president that gives pardons. It's not that the ACLU is free from criticism. Their ask was stupid, and they should get grief for that.

But, a blanket pardon is just stupid, and actually doing that is on Biden.

Political malpractice, again. Everyone knows pardons are a touchy subject, especially after the Hunter Biden pardon.

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legendary_zell
12/14/24 5:38:31 PM
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Democrats know how to say no, they do it all the time, whether it makes sense or not. It's on them for what they chose to do here.

The ACLU is an important organization that has a looooong history of making stupid or counterproductive arguments, this is probably another one of those.

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ultimate_reaver
12/14/24 5:48:27 PM
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EPR-radar posted...
Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job?

pretty good description of his entire career

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Sonixs
12/14/24 6:05:57 PM
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Who cares.

Trump pardoned Michael Flynn who sold our country out to the Russians.
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Bio1590
12/14/24 6:17:00 PM
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Like Nevin Shapiro and that woman that stole tens of millions of dollars and bankrupted the city (or was it county?) she worked for were also included in this commutation.

Like it's just so fucking bad all-around lmao.

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Intro2Logic
12/14/24 6:27:09 PM
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Sonixs posted...
Who cares.

Trump pardoned Michael Flynn who sold our country out to the Russians.
Joe Biden isn't running against Donald Trump. Your judgment of him is an independent variable from your judgment of Trump. You're allowed to have opinions that don't correlate 1:1 with electoral outcomes.

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Sonixs
12/14/24 6:33:47 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
Joe Biden isn't running against Donald Trump. Your judgment of him is an independent variable from your judgment of Trump. You're allowed to have opinions that don't correlate 1:1 with electoral outcomes.

I do. And it's who cares.
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Intro2Logic
12/14/24 6:36:48 PM
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The topic suggests: the governor of PA, the family members of those wrongfully imprisoned by this judge, a lot of CEmen.

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NatsuSama
12/14/24 6:38:17 PM
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Also Shapiro: *silent on Jan6ers that Trump plans to pardon.*

Okay Shapiro. Your faux outrage has been noted.

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MrMolinaro
12/14/24 6:40:09 PM
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Biden was wrong to commute that particular sentence. That corrupt judge should have stayed in jail. Someone who profited from selling kids to private prisons does not belong back in society.
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Intro2Logic
12/14/24 6:43:02 PM
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NatsuSama posted...
Also Shapiro: *silent on Jan6ers that Trump plans to pardon.*
You may be thinking of a different Shapiro
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/18/politics/january-6-pennsylvania-governor-josh-shapiro/index.html
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/ag-shapiro-dismantles-trumps-big-lie-in-impeachment-trial-memo/

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NatsuSama
12/14/24 6:59:53 PM
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Intro2Logic posted...
You may be thinking of a different Shapiro
https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/18/politics/january-6-pennsylvania-governor-josh-shapiro/index.html
https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/ag-shapiro-dismantles-trumps-big-lie-in-impeachment-trial-memo/
You're right, that's my bad for not looking at the article before posting.

I saw the name Shapiro and immediately thought of Ben Shapiro.

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LightSnake
12/14/24 9:11:03 PM
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The crime he was convicted of is literally defined as non-violent. The American legal systems use of that word is pretty narrow and it doesn't equal not serious or not harmful.
EPR-radar posted...
No, it's the president that gives pardons. It's not that the ACLU is free from criticism. Their ask was stupid, and they should get grief for that.

But, a blanket pardon is just stupid, and actually doing that is on Biden.

Political malpractice, again. Everyone knows pardons are a touchy subject, especially after the Hunter Biden pardon.

Yep. Biden erred in giving activists what they wanted because everyone else hates it and activists realized, belatedly, that they also hate it, and blamed him for doing what they wanted

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