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battourye 12/14/24 4:26:20 PM #1: |
https://penncapital-star.com/criminal-justice/shapiro-conahan-says-biden-commuting-kids-for-cash-judges-sentence-absolutely-wrong/ Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully, Shapiro said. I study every single case that comes across my desk where theres a request for a pardon or clemency or a reduction of sentence, and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case. I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings. I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision. Sorry, but I have to side with the ACLU here: pardoning and commuting non-violent offenders is actually a good thing. https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/aclu-celebrates-president-bidens-clemency-announcement-allowing-hundreds-to-remain-in-their-communities We can only hope that Biden continues freeing non-violent offenders, in accordance with abolitionist viewpoints. --- Fools think there are good and bad guys in intl. relations.-Terran Currently Listening To: Ondore's Lies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/14/24 4:35:00 PM #2: |
Trump pardoned a military guy who murdered a kid in the middle east. It wasn't even a preemptive pardon. The guy went to trial, and was convicted. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Trumble 12/14/24 4:38:40 PM #3: |
battourye posted... Sorry, but I have to side with the ACLU here: pardoning and commuting non-violent offenders is actually a good thing.Depends on the offence, but for most drug offences (the exception being supply - not just use / possession - of hard drugs like meth), I agree. --- Warning: This post contains Trumbles known to the state of California to cause cancer and birth defects or other reproductive harm. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 12/14/24 4:40:29 PM #4: |
Do we have any Shapiros who aren't actual knuckledraggers? --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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THRILLH0USE 12/14/24 4:44:15 PM #5: |
Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkace77450 12/14/24 4:48:22 PM #6: |
Shaprio's 100% right to criticize Biden for this. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate_reaver 12/14/24 4:50:34 PM #7: |
THRILLH0USE posted... Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO. --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/14/24 4:51:10 PM #8: |
I don't think the wrongful imprisonment of children is non-violent. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Flaming_Fire619 12/14/24 4:56:41 PM #9: |
THRILLH0USE posted... Commuting the sentence of a judge who accepted kick backs from private prisons to incarcerate kids for trivial offences is bad, IMO. Yeah. Between this and the clemency to a person that ran a Ponzi scheme to the tune of 900 MILLION dollars, this is worth calling Biden out on. --- Not changing until Shelton Benjamin wins the WHC Started: Jan. 10. 2009 http://myanimelist.net/profile/fantheflames ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueTigerLion 12/14/24 5:01:27 PM #10: |
Thought this was about Ben Shapiro. Didnt expect it to be a Democrat criticizing Biden. --- Hey now. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/14/24 5:04:41 PM #11: |
darkace77450 posted... Shaprio's 100% right to criticize Biden for this. This is a monkey's paw moment for progressive activists, tbh. The ACLU demanded to the tune of spending over 6 figures that he pardon every non-violent offender on house release under the CARES Act. There was absolutely zero vetting of who was on that list. And here we have a prisoner in his 70s on house arrest with only 2 years left in his term. The odds of offending again are literally zero...by activist standards, there's really no reason not to commute his sentence. Every box checked except "The crime is unforgivably evil" and, well...I'd agree with them that this sort of thing shouldn't have any mercy attached to it. But maybe this should be a serious lesson for some folks that a lot of people in federal prison, even if they're listed under "nonviolent offender" have committed really horrible crimes. This is also why he's likely not gonna commute the sentences of those on Death Row, because the headlines'll go with "Biden spares Dylan Storm Roof." --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 12/14/24 5:07:03 PM #12: |
It depends on context but if someone was found guilty after a jury trial it seems to be a bit of a slap in the face to the community that found that person guilty to just be like "nah she's good" --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 12/14/24 5:08:39 PM #13: |
There's *a lot* of people that ended up getting their sentences commuted under this that absolutely should not have been given their crimes. Also I'm pretty sure one of the kids this judge sent to prison committed suicide over it, so calling it "non-violent" is like an abuse of the word. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheFuzz3451 12/14/24 5:12:16 PM #14: |
I get that it was a blanket commute but the admin should've carved out an exception to exclude the kids for cash judge --- Yes we're being condescending Yes that means we're talking down to you ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheFuzz3451 12/14/24 5:16:30 PM #15: |
BlueTigerLion posted... Thought this was about Ben Shapiro. Didnt expect it to be a Democrat criticizing Biden. It makes sense for Josh Shapiro specifically to criticize this: 1. The cash for kids scandal took place in PA so he has that connection. There was a whole documentary about it, it was a pretty big scandal at the time. 2. Shapiro is pretty openly angling for a 2028 run and he's gonna try and carve out a lane distancing itself from Biden --- Yes we're being condescending Yes that means we're talking down to you ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EPR-radar 12/14/24 5:17:57 PM #16: |
Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job? Activist groups always ask for everything. In fact, that's their job. That doesn't mean they should get it. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/14/24 5:18:15 PM #17: |
TheFuzz3451 posted... I get that it was a blanket commute but the admin should've carved out an exception to exclude the kids for cash judge non violent offenders on house arrest sounded nice on paper but nobody seems to have bothered to vet them. There are some horrific people involived in this --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/14/24 5:19:11 PM #18: |
EPR-radar posted... Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job? Activist groups always ask for everything. In fact, that's their job. nah, the ACLU owns this. Activist groups always get a bizarre pass and that needs to stop. They can be criticized when they screw up --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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EPR-radar 12/14/24 5:25:21 PM #19: |
LightSnake posted... nah, the ACLU owns this. Activist groups always get a bizarre pass and that needs to stop. They can be criticized when they screw upNo, it's the president that gives pardons. It's not that the ACLU is free from criticism. Their ask was stupid, and they should get grief for that. But, a blanket pardon is just stupid, and actually doing that is on Biden. Political malpractice, again. Everyone knows pardons are a touchy subject, especially after the Hunter Biden pardon. --- "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." -- 1984 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 12/14/24 5:38:31 PM #20: |
Democrats know how to say no, they do it all the time, whether it makes sense or not. It's on them for what they chose to do here. The ACLU is an important organization that has a looooong history of making stupid or counterproductive arguments, this is probably another one of those. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ultimate_reaver 12/14/24 5:48:27 PM #21: |
EPR-radar posted... Honestly, how is Biden this bad at his job? pretty good description of his entire career --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sonixs 12/14/24 6:05:57 PM #22: |
Who cares. Trump pardoned Michael Flynn who sold our country out to the Russians. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 12/14/24 6:17:00 PM #23: |
Like Nevin Shapiro and that woman that stole tens of millions of dollars and bankrupted the city (or was it county?) she worked for were also included in this commutation. Like it's just so fucking bad all-around lmao. --- https://i.imgur.com/bbRWLI8.gif https://i.imgur.com/A0BErSV.jpg https://i.imgur.com/S1m3po4.jpg https://i.imgur.com/7fCcfko.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/14/24 6:27:09 PM #24: |
Sonixs posted... Who cares.Joe Biden isn't running against Donald Trump. Your judgment of him is an independent variable from your judgment of Trump. You're allowed to have opinions that don't correlate 1:1 with electoral outcomes. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sonixs 12/14/24 6:33:47 PM #26: |
Intro2Logic posted... Joe Biden isn't running against Donald Trump. Your judgment of him is an independent variable from your judgment of Trump. You're allowed to have opinions that don't correlate 1:1 with electoral outcomes. I do. And it's who cares. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/14/24 6:36:48 PM #27: |
The topic suggests: the governor of PA, the family members of those wrongfully imprisoned by this judge, a lot of CEmen. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 12/14/24 6:38:17 PM #28: |
Also Shapiro: *silent on Jan6ers that Trump plans to pardon.* Okay Shapiro. Your faux outrage has been noted. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrMolinaro 12/14/24 6:40:09 PM #29: |
Biden was wrong to commute that particular sentence. That corrupt judge should have stayed in jail. Someone who profited from selling kids to private prisons does not belong back in society. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Intro2Logic 12/14/24 6:43:02 PM #30: |
NatsuSama posted... Also Shapiro: *silent on Jan6ers that Trump plans to pardon.*You may be thinking of a different Shapiro https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/18/politics/january-6-pennsylvania-governor-josh-shapiro/index.html https://www.attorneygeneral.gov/taking-action/ag-shapiro-dismantles-trumps-big-lie-in-impeachment-trial-memo/ --- Have you tried thinking rationally? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 12/14/24 6:59:53 PM #31: |
Intro2Logic posted... You may be thinking of a different ShapiroYou're right, that's my bad for not looking at the article before posting. I saw the name Shapiro and immediately thought of Ben Shapiro. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 12/14/24 9:11:03 PM #33: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] The crime he was convicted of is literally defined as non-violent. The American legal systems use of that word is pretty narrow and it doesn't equal not serious or not harmful. EPR-radar posted... No, it's the president that gives pardons. It's not that the ACLU is free from criticism. Their ask was stupid, and they should get grief for that. Yep. Biden erred in giving activists what they wanted because everyone else hates it and activists realized, belatedly, that they also hate it, and blamed him for doing what they wanted --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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