Current Events > George RR Martin Admits He May Never Finish 'Winds Of Winter'

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https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultassi/2024/12/06/13-years-late-george-rr-martin-admits-he-may-never-finish-winds-of-winter/

Can't finish what you never started or ever planned to start

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ya don't fuckin' say, georgie

GOT deserved that final season he should of finished these books long ago.

At least he's finally telling the truth for once.

To the surprise of no one.

ya don't say George. ya don't fucking say...

I actually do expect to see Winds of Winter in the near future but I have already made peace with knowing I will never get A Dream of Spring. This is a real sensationalistic headline given the context of what he said.

Clickbait

"But thats still a priority. A lot of people are already writing obituaries for me. [Theyre saying] Oh, hell never be finished. Maybe theyre right. I dont know. Im alive right now! I seem pretty vital!"

He says he's working on it and he's playing off concerns. People are really awful about this one particular book and it's been shitty for years

I hope the obituaries people are writing for him are fucking shitting on him

LightSnake posted...

He says he's working on it

And you believed him?

I can empathize with how difficult it must be to write a story with expectations being that high and with so many plot threads to continue.

....But come on. It's been 13 years. It's just not happening at this point, he got the GoT cash and ditched the books.

Wow, I haven't been this shocked since Rosie O'Donnell came out as a lesbian

DrizztLink posted...

And you believed him?

Yeah, the sample chapters he releases every so often and the updates he's given that match the exact pattern for books 4 and 5 and the comments from his assistant, co-creators, friends, and wife do lend themselves to credibility.

Hes screwed. The shows ending was his ending and now he cant finish.

He's an old guy who has written a shit ton of books in his life and has now run out of steam. Which he has found difficult to accept, to the point of denial.

That's all.

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, the sample chapters he releases every so often and the updates he's given that match the exact pattern for books 4 and 5 and the comments from his assistant, co-creators, friends, and wife do lend themselves to credibility.

Whatever you say, mate.

Feels a lot more like a "shit in one hand and hope in the other" scenario, but if it makes you feel better, feel free.

LightSnake posted...

Yeah, the sample chapters he releases every so often and the updates he's given that match the exact pattern for books 4 and 5 and the comments from his assistant, co-creators, friends, and wife do lend themselves to credibility.

Wow...so there are still people that fall for the Nigerian Prince scam out there.....

If he let's someone else finish for him, then that's fine. But he supposedly doesn't want to do that.

DrizztLink posted...

Whatever you say, mate.

Feels a lot more like a "shit in one hand and hope in the other" scenario, but if it makes you feel better, feel free.

you realize he's read and shared entire chapter from WoW

Sandalorn posted...

Wow...so there are still people that fall for the Nigerian Prince scam out there.....

There are plenty of books that've taken ages to write. Some longer than Winds of Winter.

Most of those books probably didn't have the author continuously being tone deaf and antagonizing the fan base

LightSnake posted...

you realize he's read and shared entire chapter from WoW

And yet one hand is filling up much faster than the other.

lmao

The first step to solving a problem is acknowleding it.

DrizztLink posted...

And yet one hand is filling up much faster than the other.

An author is late with a book, it's happened before.

I haven't followed this at all, so what's his major issue with finishing it? Other projects? Writer's block? Mental health?

McSame_as_Bush posted...

I haven't followed this at all, so what's his major issue with finishing it? Other projects? Writer's block? Mental health?

Martin's been open that his writing process is excessive editing. He writes out of order, then rewrites it, and then rewrites other rewrites. He's also got depression, and has had some disputes over some things with HBO that haven't been entirely public.

LightSnake posted...

There are plenty of books that've taken ages to write. Some longer than Winds of Winter.

Not many. And Winds isn't done, so we don't know if it will end up being the official longest.

And MANY book series (aka multiple books telling a long story), have been completed in under 14 years.

hmnut7 posted...

Not many. And Winds isn't done, so we don't know if it will end up being the official longest.

And MANY book series (aka multiple books telling a long story), have been completed in under 14 years.

I've seen trilogies and series take a very long time between volumes. There's some series I'm still waiting on to complete.

Mrtin is uncommonly transparent about his process and access. If you want a guy who hasn't actually done shit on a late book, Patrick Rothfuss is right there

LightSnake posted...

I've seen trilogies and series take a very long time between volumes. There's some series I'm still waiting on to complete.

Mrtin is uncommonly transparent about his process and access. If you want a guy who hasn't actually done shit on a late book, Patrick Rothfuss is right there

Missing the point (I suspect deliberately) "whataboutism" other authors is not a valid defense.

That some authors take a long time doesn't mean Martin's fans can't have negative opinions about how long he's taking.

Some police officers are racist, doesn't mean I can't be mad if a cop pulls me over for being black

Thank god we have Kingkiller Chronicle!

I know it is a bigger series but Martin gets shit on by every opportunity but at least he is actively involved in a lot of projects and writing other stuff. He seems to stay pretty busy even if it not the stuff I want him to be busy on.

Patrick Rothfuss is basically doing not a fucking thing, not completely but close enough and I feel like he doesn't get shit on enough. He talks about how much better of a writer he is now and yada yada and he has been one book away from finishing his series for the same time frame and it is really annoying me haha.

I have little doubt it would have been finished quite some time ago and possibly the seventh book as well if fans hadnt been calling him a piece of shit and whatever else for so many years. Whatever his reasons for slowing down nobody deserves the abuse this man has received from fans. At this point I dont blame him for his lack of enthusiasm to finish something he wont even be thanked for if he does.

hmnut7 posted...

That some authors take a long time doesn't mean Martin's fans can't have negative opinions about how long he's taking.

That's not what LightSnake is saying. I don't think he's ever said or implied other people were being unreasonable for thinking it will never be released.

All he said was that he had thought Martin was probably genuinely working on it and might still put out the last book, and he got attacked for it. He wasn't calling other people stupid or delusional for having different opinions. LightSnake was the one who was insulted and called delusional for his opinions.

hmnut7 posted...

Missing the point (I suspect deliberately) "whataboutism" other authors is not a valid defense.

That some authors take a long time doesn't mean Martin's fans can't have negative opinions about how long he's taking.

Some police officers are racist, doesn't mean I can't be mad if a cop pulls me over for being black

There's no 'defense' needed, because nobody's done anything wrong here. Being disappointed is valid. Wanting the book is valid. Anger is just being entitled, because you are not owed anything by the author. Anger implies he owes you a duty and is failing to deliver on an obligation.

LightSnake posted...

Anger implies he owes you a duty and is failing to deliver on an obligation

You honestly don't think an author that purposely starts a series doesn't have an obligation to finish it?

You must be the President of this guy's fan club.

Doesn't he say this like every 4 months? I swear this article keeps getting made.

Sandalorn posted...

You honestly don't think an author that purposely starts a series doesn't have an obligation to finish it?

You must be the President of this guy's fan club.

Not to you, he doesn't.

He's taking longer than you want to write it, that's about it. If you're 'angry' about that, that's a mistake of priorities.

No! You don't say!

We knew this 10 years ago

McSame_as_Bush posted...

I haven't followed this at all, so what's his major issue with finishing it?

On the one side he's got a series with over a dozen character perspectives (with literal hundreds of named characters and families), history spanning multiple continents and millenia with mysteries of the world that have lasted just as long all across a mythos that he has to keep consistent and wrap up neatly in two books and maybe a spinoff or two. He needs to do so without writing himself into a corner and keeping in mind what people hated about the ending to the HBO show.

On the other hand, he needs to juggle being a producer for all these HBO shows and ensuring they meet his vision (not going well if House of the Dragon is anything to go off of)

And to add absolute lunacy to the mix, fans have speculated that Bran's powers involve a form of time travel and that he has found a way to manipulate events for anywhere between a few decades to up to the 8000 years since the wall has been built. An absolute monumental task if you take in the scope of the plot and worldbuilding if you want to avoid plot holes.

PurestProdigy posted...

On the one side he's got a series with over a dozen character perspectives (with literal hundreds of named characters and families), history spanning multiple continents and millenia with mysteries of the world that have lasted just as long all across a mythos that he has to keep consistent and wrap up neatly in two books and maybe a spinoff or two. He needs to do so without writing himself into a corner and keeping in mind what people hated about the ending to the HBO show.

On the other hand, he needs to juggle being a producer for all these HBO shows and ensuring they meet his vision (not going well if House of the Dragon is anything to go off of)

And to add absolute lunacy to the mix, fans have speculated that Bran's powers involve a form of time travel and that he has found a way to manipulate events for anywhere between a few decades to up to the 8000 years since the wall has been built. An absolute monumental task if you take in the scope of the plot and worldbuilding if you want to avoid plot holes.

Yeah turns out the gardener approach to writing may not be ideal if you actually want to get anywhere.

This doesn't seem to indicate any change in his motivation/intent to finish the book, he's just being realistic.

Zikten posted...

If he let's someone else finish for him, then that's fine. But he supposedly doesn't want to do that.

We had that. That was the TV show. Anything past Season 6 was on them. There are plotline strings from the books still going in that season and we knew where they were going to end up. Tell her it was me