Current Events > Why not just grandfather the ones in that are already here, THEN tighten down?

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because Trump and his supporters are white nationalists and they want to see all of the nonwhite people gone from this country

Literally no one is white tho. Everyone you know and see whos born in the us for generations is mixed af

The amount of violence required to "tighten down" on the border is not feasible, as either an ethical or a practical matter. As the climate crisis gets worse, there will be ever more refugees from countries that have been ravaged by resource conflicts or rendered nigh uninhabitable by heat. Our solution to that problem cannot be shooing them away by force.

Whiteness isn't really a genetic thing at this point. White is whatever people want it to be, which is generally a tool to exclude certain people from the in group.

For example, 3/4 of my grandparents were white. I would be considered mixed race or black, depending on which person you were asking. Funny enough I'd never be considered white despite my genetics.

I understand illegal things are bad, but the ones that have been here for years? Grandfather them. Give them a grace period to get legal and then tighten down on boarder. Ez

For new ones, I really would prefer that they give them English classes to learn the majority language. I mean I believe that is reasonable. If youre gonna live somewhere permanent, kinda convenient for EVERYONE if you can AT LEAST speak enough to get by. It would be like me moving to a non English country and not knowing at least basic of the language.

then tighten down on boarder

Really

i would assume that genetics would be super important to the racial purity, eugenics types

Are you actually willing to support what's needed to "tighten down"?

Alternatively, you cant just let anyone and everyone in at all times. A legal process thats not as easy to By-Pass, I believe, is reasonable.

Here's the thing.

Almost everything I've read about this Mass Deportation "Plan" is leading me to believe that they literally have no plan.

Anytime ANYONE involved is asked for specifics, the first line is always "Well, first we're going to go for the ones with a criminal record". OK, great. But HOW are you going to find them? Once you find them, where are they being detained? And what exactly is the process of getting them out of the country?

And NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER.

because Trump and his supporters are white nationalists and they want to see all of the nonwhite people gone from this country

Here's the thing.

Almost everything I've read about this Mass Deportation "Plan" is leading me to believe that they literally have no plan.

Anytime ANYONE involved is asked for specifics, the first line is always "Well, first we're going to go for the ones with a criminal record". OK, great. But HOW are you going to find them? Once you find them, where are they being detained? And what exactly is the process of getting them out of the country?

And NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER.

Here's the thing.

Almost everything I've read about this Mass Deportation "Plan" is leading me to believe that they literally have no plan.

Anytime ANYONE involved is asked for specifics, the first line is always "Well, first we're going to go for the ones with a criminal record". OK, great. But HOW are you going to find them? Once you find them, where are they being detained? And what exactly is the process of getting them out of the country?

And NO ONE HAS AN ANSWER.

Can't believe I missed this. How easy do you think it is to bypass? Do you think it's easy to illegally immigrate?

I understand illegal things are bad, but the ones that have been here for years? Grandfather them. Give them a grace period to get legal and then tighten down on boarder. Ez

For new ones, I really would prefer that they give them English classes to learn the majority language. I mean I believe that is reasonable. If youre gonna live somewhere permanent, kinda convenient for EVERYONE if you can AT LEAST speak enough to get by. It would be like me moving to a non English country and not knowing at least basic of the language.

The general impression given is that people can just stroll in smiling, so Ill admit that I dont know.

Plenty of people do that.

And thats wrong, imo. If Im moving somewhere permanently I would want to know at bare minimum a novice level of the majority language. If nothing else, just for my own convenience.

Im not saying its wrong to learn the language and I am learning the language myself, but I can totally see why people dont, especially in the modern day. You talk of convenience but having to learn a language is itself quite convenient, and I know many people who have lived here for over a decade without ever learning more than a couple of words of the local language and its really not caused them any problems.

The amount of violence required to "tighten down" on the border is not feasible, as either an ethical or a practical matter.

I guess if youre going to live in some settlement or whatever where you will literally never meet anyone ever who doesnt speak your language, then whatever.

i couldnt imagine myself moving to a country and never being in a situation where Im like wtf I didnt understand a word of that because I didnt AT LEAST learn very basic of the language.

I dont think this take should be even REMOTELY contentious.

Literally no one is white tho. Everyone you know and see whos born in the us for generations is mixed af

The general impression given is that people can just stroll in smiling, so Ill admit that I dont know.