Current Events > AOC has no chance of being president.

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She's too far left, and apparently America doesn't want a woman president. So I don't see why you guys keep bringing her up for it.

We just had a Democrat who ran a centrist campaign and lost. It's clear America doesn't want Republican Lite.

She will be da 1st female president tbh

I think America could have a woman president, the powers that be just have to stop expecting the electorate to know a damn thing aside from what turns up on podcasts and the evening news, and run a strategy outside of "hey the other guy is awful but we're not actually going to say what we're doing for you" for their woman candidates

Too far left, though, possibly. I think if she succeeds in getting the message out around the unceasing and inevitable "COMMUNIST!" spam from the right wing she'd probably win a number of folks over. Dunno about enough, but I think she'd do a better job of communicating platform points than we've had previously.

That's a pretty tall order with the current state of corporate media, though

in either case I think it's unlikely we get a lady candidate in the running for 2028. Maybe 2032 if the dems win.

Dancedreamer posted...

We just had a Democrat who ran a centrist campaign and lost. It's clear America doesn't want Republican Lite.

I'm not really sure fighting corporate price gouging, building housing and money for families and homeowners is centrist

Cocytus posted...

She's too far left

It's been proven and proven again, policy means nothing now.

Only old white men can be president

DragulaRULEZ posted...

It's been proven and proven again, policy means nothing now.

She has years of baggage from being character assassinated by Republicans. She'd have no chance.

The first woman president of the US hasn't been born yet. That's how far away we are from that happening

Euripides posted...

The first woman president of the US hasn't been born yet. That's how far away we are from that happening

Come on, now. We were one shitty FBI director decision away from one in 2016. This year showed Harris could've won if it wasn't the inflation election

I actually know a few people at work (mid-Missouri, for context) who absolutely love Ocasio-Cortez, Sanders, and Trump. It's wild, but I also get it from a purely anti-establishment mindset. The juxtaposition with liking Trump doesn't factor into their opinions, and all of them I've talked to agree more with the policy positions of the left, but want to take a sledgehammer to everything and set it on fire in the meantime.

Storm_Shadow posted...

I actually know a few people at work (mid-Missouri, for context) who are actual idiots

I shortened that for you.

A female president wil never happen. Its actually because of the immigrants.
Arabs, Hispanics and Eastern Europeans have a social hierarchy by where a man must be in charge. Even the women have those beliefs. You can call it misogyny and or internalized misogyny all you want but thats just a part of their cultures.

Like I said, she's pretty much the only person who can almost compare with Trump (albeit on a smaller scale so far) in terms of being able to simultaneously generate extreme positive and extreme negative reactions. Unlikely, but definitely not out of the question.

DragulaRULEZ posted...

It's been proven and proven again, policy means nothing now.

Considering there are people who support both her and Trump, I'd say it's an indicator it doesn't matter what you do, know or support. It's just about what you say, regardless of whether or not that's the way things work. She happens to say the right things that actually make sense as it can be backed up and substantiated. He happens to say the right things, and that's it. The average voter doesn't know or care enough if someone's statements can actually be carried out or what the consequences are. Just as long as it sounds good.

If she wasn't a latina woman, I'd say she'd actually stand a good chance if she'd run.

It's the same mentalities behind pushing Hillary back in the day.

"She's such a good fundraiser" (Hillary)/"she has such great voter outreach" (AOC) - Cool, they'd be great DNC employees. Doesn't directly translate to being a good candidate.

"She has such great relationships with party members and always does what the party needs" - Cool, they'd be great Congressional vote whips. Doesn't directly translate to being a good candidate.

"The GOP's been attacking them for so long because it's SCARED" - Orrrr the GOP saw vulnerable, easy-to-boogeyman, low-hanging fruit, and seized the opportunity.

The only thing that makes a good candidate is broad appeal to voters, and Hillary ended up with terrible numbers on that front, which AOC currently has as well. Swing states aren't going for AOC. The GOP blared anti-AOC propaganda in nearly every NY swing district this year and the Dems lost those races.

Dancedreamer posted...

We just had a Democrat who ran a centrist campaign and lost. It's clear America doesn't want Republican Lite.

Running a centrist campaign doesn't mean you're actually accepted as a centrist. Voters viewed Harris as too liberal because of how to the left she ran in 2020.

stop capitulating to right wing framing

Diceheist posted...

Ain't you the guy who thought Trump wasn't part of Project 2025 exclusively because he said so?

Kamala was more 'let's all embrace each other!'
AOC is not afraid to spit fire at Republicans.

They are not the same. But we all know in 2028 IF WE EVEN STILL HAVE ELECTIONS, I expect the DNC to run the 2020 campaign once again, of not being Donald Trump. Because that's all that ever fucking matters to them.

My machismo filled country of Mexico elected a female president before the US...sad times

Id like to see AOC run.

Maybe take over for Schumer for a while.

DrizztLink posted...

Ain't you the guy who thought Trump wasn't part of Project 2025 exclusively because he said so?

My reasoning was that there was no way Trump read a 900 page document. It was a technicality.

AOC has a better chance than any current Progressive in the running.

But she still has no chance.

She is too far left and she's a woman. MOSTLY she's a woman.

I think a lot of people in the middle and the right, if they hear her ideas they'll support her. But what we saw with Kamala when a woman talks most men don't listen. She can say a detailed plan and they will respond "she didn't say anything."

I'd vote for her in a heartbeat, but this country ain't voting for a female president.

Diceheist posted...

My reasoning was that there was no way Trump read a 900 page document. It was a technicality.

Ain't you the guy who literally has a topic up right now proving that you're full of shit with this "defense?"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80883221

Charisma won in every presidential election since Ive been alive. AOC has a chance because of who she is, not her stats

DrizztLink posted...

Ain't you the guy who literally has a topic up right now proving that you're full of shit with this "defense?"

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/80883221

I'm explaining why I felt it was believable. Distancing yourself from a document that you didn't read makes sense.

do you dudes know there is not a huge difference between the AOC and Sanders wing of the party and the Biden and Harris wing of the party lol, when the Progressive wing ends up in the White House they will get much of the same whining because you have to move to the center in American politics for long term success because the electorate is overall Conservative leaning.

Diceheist posted...

I'm explaining why I felt it was believable. Distancing yourself from a document that you didn't read makes sense.

So, we're repeating.

DrizztLink posted...

Ain't you the guy who thought Trump wasn't part of Project 2025 exclusively because he said so?

kage_53 posted...

A female president wil never happen. Its actually because of the immigrants.
Arabs, Hispanics and Eastern Europeans have a social hierarchy by where a man must be in charge. Even the women have those beliefs. You can call it misogyny and or internalized misogyny all you want but thats just a part of their cultures.

I was thinking this. But then I was like, Mexico just elected a woman president.

I've worked with a lot of Mexicans who seem to think men and women have specific roles but even they could do it.

LeoRavus posted...

I was thinking this. But then I was like, Mexico just elected a woman president.

I've worked with a lot of Mexicans who seem to think men and women have specific roles but even they could do it.

none of this groups are close to a voting majority though lol

If Bernie never got a real shot then she certainly won't.

People who follow the bible to the letter wouldn't want a woman president either. When my parents dragged me to a Jehovah's Witness church women weren't even allowed to speak in front of the congregation. They could talk and ask or answer questions, but they couldn't stand in front of everyone and give a talk.

Maga cocytus showing his true colors

Halo478 posted...

Maga cocytus showing his true colors

Hehe, nah, I'm just saying.

It's gonna take like decades of social justice and education to get a female in the office I think. Weird to think that Hilary was our last chance in a while. She really fucked up her campaigning cuz Dowald went around more of the obscure neighborhoods that edged him slightly in the electoral votes.

You pretty much have to ease people into it. I think people now look fondly on Obama so Michelle is an option if they start like really early and establish her as the head honcho of the dems, but she hasn't really involved herself much recently. If you don't want to risk the race problem in the race, you go for a white woman who served in the military who also happens to be a centrist.

But because Trump destroyed so many precedence and we now know the majority of the country is stupid as hell, you basically can't play fair anymore. It's gonna have to be a straight white old guy for the next few elections.

coolboy11 posted...

none of this groups are close to a voting majority though lol

Then democrats need to stop attempting to court immigrants to vote for them.
LeoRavus posted...

I was thinking this. But then I was like, Mexico just elected a woman president.

I've worked with a lot of Mexicans who seem to think men and women have specific roles but even they could do it.

Mexico is a single fish in an ocean.

The Dems need a "star" however. AOC is easily the biggest star the Dems have. She is a personality that unites a huge amount of Democrats and has appeal beyond those who "pay attention" to politics.

Why do you think Trump ultimately has been successful? It's because he has star power. He was successful largely due to NOT being part of "the system". He was popular, he leveraged it, and got elected. AOC is outside the Dem elite system, is popular, and can leverage it to POTUS.

probably not

people who were against the civil rights movement in the 60s are still alive and voting, and so are their families.

kage_53 posted...

Then democrats need to stop attempting to court immigrants to vote for them.

Mexico is a single fish in an ocean.

Brazil, Argentina, and Costa Rica have all had recent female presidents as well.

I don't think we can blame immigrants for this. Countries all over the world have had women heads of state for decades. Some countries were surprising to me.

Diceheist posted...

Running a centrist campaign doesn't mean you're actually accepted as a centrist. Voters viewed Harris as too liberal because of how to the left she ran in 2020.

lol voters don't remember 2023, let along 2020.

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