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Mephistron 11/10/24 12:07:59 PM #1: |
It's as if he was living in bizzaro world. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FearlessMango 11/10/24 12:09:47 PM #2: |
after COVID it was only doing well relative to the rest of the world unfortunately it was still bad compared to normal and that led to america selecting the opposite party for president --- https://imgur.com/YnyrA https://imgur.com/d22JftS ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lilORANG 11/10/24 12:10:10 PM #3: |
The metrics people use to measure "the economy" are different than what individuals care about in terms of cost of living day to day. --- Science and Algorithms ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GuerrillaSoldier 11/10/24 12:10:39 PM #4: |
it's almost like he's some kind of politician politicians are all truthful, right? all of them. --- Disclaimer: There's a good chance the above post could be sarcasm. Die-hard Oakland A's fan --- Keep the A's in Oakland! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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obsolete 11/10/24 12:11:02 PM #5: |
Compared to the rest of the world after a global recession, it was doing better than the rest. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darker_Cheshire 11/10/24 12:12:04 PM #6: |
By metrics, the US economy is doing well considering a global recession and our recovery trajectory. It's difficult to conceptualize that when there isn't a direct apparent impact to people's daily lives. Another issue is that, the GDP may indicate how well US businesses are doing, but that absolutely does not translate to how well Americans are doing. Businesses are recording record profits, but that isn't translating into wage growth. What can the government do about that that isn't directly coercing or forcing corporations to pay fairer wages? --- The only laws of matter are those which our mind must fabricate, And the only laws of mind are fabricated by matter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Voidgolem 11/10/24 12:13:07 PM #7: |
by most metrics we measure it by, the economy is fantastic. the issue is "the economy" as we measure it is largely irrelevant to the person on the street as opposed to the whole "retailer with Epic Stocks To the Moon has decided to sell your groceries at 50% upcharge because they can" thing nobody cares about "low unemployment!" when they're working two jobs to make rent --- Why not go all in? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 11/10/24 12:13:09 PM #8: |
The numbers used to measure "the economy" look good but the numbers don't tell the whole story. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CARRRNE_ASADA 11/10/24 12:13:24 PM #9: |
Because the moment you admit it, you're politically dead. --- SEXY SEXY! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Notti 11/10/24 12:13:57 PM #10: |
FearlessMango posted... after COVID it was only doing well relative to the rest of the world It also led many other countries to do the same. Brainless reactionary knee jerk. Sure, give the government to the corrupt rich businessmen who want to directly steal from you like Donald and Elon. S m r t --- http://youtube.com/TheYoungTurks/videos http://youtube.com/SamSeder/videos http://RightWingWatch.org http://reddit.com/r/BreadTube http://fb.me/OccupyDemocrats ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Diceheist 11/10/24 12:14:28 PM #11: |
It was doing well by various metrics, just not the one normal people care about most (prices). ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSj4Wingzero 11/10/24 12:16:20 PM #12: |
The *economy* is doing well. But whether the economy does well isn't reflective of how well the average citizen is doing. --- Not changing this sig until the Knicks win the NBA Championship! Started 4/23/2010! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sariana21 11/10/24 12:16:21 PM #13: |
It was (and is) doing well, but we live in an oligarchy, and the oligarchs wanted Republicans to win. --- ___ Sari, Mom to DS (07/04) and DD (01/08); Pronouns: she/her/hers ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 11/10/24 12:17:14 PM #15: |
Because "the economy" metrics are divorced from reality. Who gives a fuck about GDP if they can't afford to live? Why do I care about the stock market if I have no investments, no 401k? Who cares about how bad it is in other countries when it's also bad here? Who cares about the unemployment rates when the jobs that exist are low paying service jobs or high paying knowledge economy stuff that most people can't get? We need to abandon this idea of trying to convince people that the economy is peachy keen and we need to direct everything to being the economic handymen that fix what ails people. That's going to require a very different approach to politics. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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refmon 11/10/24 12:17:57 PM #17: |
legendary_zell posted... Who gives a fuck about GDP if they can't afford to live? --- If you read this signature, then that meant that I had control of what you read for 5 SECONDS!! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darker_Cheshire 11/10/24 12:18:45 PM #18: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] Oh, I agree. But then the same people who would benefit from it would be screaming "Socialism! Communism!", while voting to let leopards eat their faces. --- The only laws of matter are those which our mind must fabricate, And the only laws of mind are fabricated by matter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SauI_Goodman 11/10/24 12:18:49 PM #19: |
What was he going to say? Sorry guys it sucks? Hang in there tho! --- Italian, French, German. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SSj4Wingzero 11/10/24 12:19:20 PM #20: |
[LFAQs-redacted-quote] That, and enabling and encouraging more workers to unionize so that they can collectively bargain. The Biden administration has encouraged it and played a role but so much more needs to be done on that end in order to give workers some basic protections and basic fair treatment. --- Not changing this sig until the Knicks win the NBA Championship! Started 4/23/2010! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Voidgolem 11/10/24 12:23:26 PM #22: |
SauI_Goodman posted... What was he going to say? Sorry guys it sucks? Hang in there tho! "IT SUCKS AND WE'LL FIX IT", being very careful to not explain that at all. works for the republicans every time, so there's gotta be something to it --- Why not go all in? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Darker_Cheshire 11/10/24 12:24:41 PM #23: |
To be fair, Biden (as well as Harris) campaign material was focusing on ensure corporations paid their fair share as well as tackling corporate greed in the face of a strengthening economy. It just doesn't sound exciting, or the message wasn't getting clearly across. The reality is, the economy is complicated and messaging needs to be incredibly dumbed down. --- The only laws of matter are those which our mind must fabricate, And the only laws of mind are fabricated by matter. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Fenrir_Howls 11/10/24 12:30:40 PM #24: |
M_Live posted...
Pretty sure there bills that failed to pass on the matter, at least I remember reports about that. --- Loki's Good Boy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Voidgolem 11/10/24 12:34:16 PM #25: |
Fenrir_Howls posted... Pretty sure there bills that failed to pass on the matter, at least I remember reports about that. and instead of referencing that at all it's...resounding silence. While to everyone not actively involved, it looks like nothing was done. Or the republicans saying "HEY I DID THAT" to the rare wins (they voted against) this is a recurring issue with dems. --- Why not go all in? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 11/10/24 12:35:08 PM #26: |
By any metric, it was doing well. It was a pure vibecession. Do you wanna tell people their new raises weren't earned? Good luck there --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Evolician 11/10/24 12:35:22 PM #27: |
The economy could be doing great, doesnt mean the middle class / working class / or poor people are doing great. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Lavidon/ https://www.twitch.tv/Lavidon ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hejiru 11/10/24 12:36:02 PM #28: |
obsolete posted... Compared to the rest of the world after a global recession, it was doing better than the rest. Yeah but Americans dont know the rest of the world exists. They only see that things cost more than they did before Covid, and decide it must be the presidents fault. --- The difference between fiction and reality is that fiction has to make sense. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CobraGT 11/10/24 12:37:44 PM #29: |
Sure sounds like everyone in topic voted Trump, third party or did not vote. --- GoldenSun/Crossbone Isle diagrams/ 18 teams known https://photobucket.com/u/SwordOfWheat/a/9990a2ee-25f3-4242-ae79-7d2d4b882be4 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZevLoveDOOM 11/10/24 12:55:03 PM #31: |
so in a nutshell, if things are good, the majority will vote for the same ruling party and if things are bad, the majority will vote for the opposite party in hopes that they fix things. that's the pattern i've been noticing throughout the years. not just for the states but others countries as well... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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apocalyptic_4 11/10/24 12:57:19 PM #32: |
Politicians will never be honest about the economy unless it benefits them politically. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mephistron 11/10/24 1:00:44 PM #33: |
apocalyptic_4 posted... Politicians will never be honest about the economy unless it benefits them politically. It's one thing not being honest Its another to be so far apart ... Copied to Clipboard!
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trappedunderice 11/10/24 1:02:44 PM #34: |
The US economy under Biden has been the best it's ever been. He wasn't talking no malarkey, jack ... Copied to Clipboard!
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reincarnator07 11/10/24 1:15:59 PM #35: |
Because it was, especially considering that Trump and the GOP liked to claim that the Trump economy was good for the same metrics. Of course, those metrics are generally an indicator of how the stock market and businesses are doing, which is pretty detached from how people are doing under capitalism. --- Fan of metal? Don't mind covers? Check out my youtube and give me some feedback http://www.youtube.com/sircaballero ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KnightofShikari 11/10/24 1:22:43 PM #36: |
wonder what metrics mephistron uses to say the economy wasn't doing well? and if the same metrics will be used for trumps terms --- The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mephistron 11/10/24 5:45:19 PM #37: |
KnightofShikari posted... wonder what metrics mephistron uses to say the economy wasn't doing well? and if the same metrics will be used for trumps terms Well it's obvious gdp growth has zero bearing on whether middle class Americans are living from paycheck to paycheck or not ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mybbqrules 11/10/24 5:47:11 PM #38: |
Watching chuds honk about honesty will never not be hilarious. --- The American experiment is over. We failed. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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thronedfire2 11/10/24 5:47:11 PM #39: |
because it has been? Biden is the wrong one to complain about if you're complaining about prices while corporations make record profits --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heineken14 11/10/24 5:48:21 PM #40: |
Mephistron posted... It's one thing not being honest Like you are every time you make these shitty topics that you get clowned on in? What metric was it not doing well in? --- Rage is a hell of an anesthetic. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MrResetti 11/10/24 5:50:30 PM #41: |
Get wrecked N00b (Please stop making inflammatory topics just to post bad responses for posts) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FolkenRawr 11/10/24 5:52:52 PM #42: |
Mephistron posted... Well it's obvious gdp growth has zero bearing on whether middle class Americans are living from paycheck to paycheck or not Did you just imply the majority of Americans living paycheck to paycheck is new, and in anyway brought on by Biden having been President? --- Cookin like a chef, I'm a 5 Star Michelin ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 11/10/24 5:53:50 PM #43: |
Because the economy is doing well compared to our peers. Agreeing with Republicans that it's doing bad is part of why we have Trump. It's not a bad thing to rally behind improvements and small wins while still fighting to do better or build on those wins. Instead of this perpetual "it's not good enough/we can do better, so therefore its bad" messaging. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mephistron 11/10/24 6:32:02 PM #44: |
NatsuSama posted... Because the economy is doing well compared to our peers. It's simple Has the economy done well compared to the last 2 democrat presidents Obama and Bill Clinton? Obviously not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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pazzy 11/10/24 6:40:54 PM #45: |
Because measuring "the economy" when there's a lot of people suffering under it is a surefire way to make people angry. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 11/10/24 6:43:39 PM #46: |
Mephistron posted... It's simpleIt actually has in several metrics. But something tells me you are operating on vibes and feelings instead of the actual numbers. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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legendary_zell 11/10/24 6:51:49 PM #47: |
NatsuSama posted... It actually has in several metrics. But something tells me you are operating on vibes and feelings instead of the actual numbers. Dude, how could it possibly be more clear that you're wrong on this? It's actually infuriating. We did your strategy of projecting positivity and ignoring pain and we got blown the fuck out. How can you see that and decide that the answer is policing "internal negativity" even harder is the solution? That's the same approach you had on Biden dropping out and you were just as wrong there, but there's been no reflection on the fact that the people we need to vote for us see things very differently from you and can't be convinced through fake/enforced conformity and positivity. --- I gotta be righteous, I gotta be me, I gotta be conscious, I gotta be free, I gotta be able, I gotta attack, I gotta be stable, I gotta be black. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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nocturnal_traveler 11/10/24 6:54:19 PM #48: |
Biden was a fool to think he could use different metrics from the common American. --- --I understand your opinion. I just don't care about it. ~Jedah-- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mephistron 11/10/24 7:06:17 PM #49: |
nocturnal_traveler posted... Biden was a fool to think he could use different metrics from the common American. Precisely He was a fool to use numbers to measure the economy rather than the feelings of the middle class people in all 50 states ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NatsuSama 11/10/24 7:06:44 PM #50: |
legendary_zell posted... did your strategy of projecting positivityWe actually did not. In fact, given your posting history, that claim is actually quite hilarious. You were forever seeking a reason to doom. --- WAAAH, I CAN'T BEAT THIS GUY WITH HIS TACTICS, I'M GONNA CALL IT SPAM AND CONDEMN HIM FOR USING IT ... Copied to Clipboard!
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