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lcampoy
11/06/24 1:08:31 AM
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or was she always destined to lose?

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HashtagSEP
11/06/24 1:09:23 AM
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Based on exit polls... Not be black.

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RchHomieQuanChi
11/06/24 1:09:49 AM
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I feel like trying to pivot to Republican voters killed enthusiasm for her

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squall567
11/06/24 1:10:10 AM
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Could have stopped trying convince people that she will just be like Biden when Biden DROPPED OUT OF THE FUCKING RACE FOR BEING TOO UNPOPULAR.

Also Palestine.
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B18Champ
11/06/24 1:10:14 AM
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If she was elected through a proper primary and chose Shapiro as VP she would have had a much higher chance. Running an abbreviated campaign with a buffoon like Walz as VP was always going to end in disaster.

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Mrbakerman25
11/06/24 1:10:20 AM
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Probably not. Everything. No

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Doe
11/06/24 1:10:43 AM
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The people who Trump hates, love Trump. How are you supposed to run against that?

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SaintSeiyaX
11/06/24 1:11:05 AM
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Unfortunately, it would be less pro immigration.

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Diceheist
11/06/24 1:11:38 AM
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Should've just kept with the vibe from her early campaign.
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Starks
11/06/24 1:12:16 AM
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No and Biden made sure of it.

The lack of a primary stems from that.

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pfh1001
11/06/24 1:14:05 AM
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B18Champ posted...
If she was elected through a proper primary and chose Shapiro as VP she would have had a much higher chance.


Harris wouldn't have won the primary though. That's part of the problem.
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kage_53
11/06/24 1:14:17 AM
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She had no chance. When she tried to get nominated in 2020, she bailed very early because of how bad she was doing.
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Proto_Spark
11/06/24 1:15:17 AM
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I think it'll be a while before we dig out what happened to make Harris underperform to such a massive degree, but 2 very big potential factors are:

  • Being a woman
  • Being black


Like, her campaign lost a lot of steam over time, but she never fumbled anything. Walz was a good pick, she completely decimated Trump in the debate, and for some reason people just didn't want to support her today.
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SubwooferKing
11/06/24 1:16:56 AM
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Doe posted...
The people who Trump hates, love Trump. How are you supposed to run against that?

Latinos for trump ALWAYS makes me scratch my head and think what the fuck, bruh?
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FFTHEWINNER
11/06/24 1:17:59 AM
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The election was 50/50 for months according to polls, so obviously she did have a chance.

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rofflemypancake
11/06/24 1:19:46 AM
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What could she have done differently?

  1. Not be a woman
  2. Not be a minority


Hillary already confirmed it but this erases any doubt that the USA will never vote in a woman president.

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Sariana21
11/06/24 1:20:32 AM
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Be a white man.

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KobeSystem
11/06/24 1:21:18 AM
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Country is full of stupid voters. At this point dems just need to run a celebrity

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
11/06/24 1:22:31 AM
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rofflemypancake posted...
What could she have done differently?

Not be a woman
Not be a minority
Until we get more details, it really does look like this is the answer.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/06/24 1:23:45 AM
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  1. Not be a woman
  2. Not be a person of color
  3. Not belong to the political party overseeing massive amounts of inflation and sky high costs for housing, food, and used cars
  4. Emphasize things that would affect the average voter personally, such as the effect of Trump's tariffs and the fact that he and the Repubs have vowed to repeal Obamacare and make cuts to medicaid. She didn't fixate on them enough.
  5. Distance herself from Biden and emphasize what she'd do differently.
  6. Support Medicare for all and never shut up about it
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BlackScythe0
11/06/24 1:25:56 AM
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She really should have just accepted conservative endorsements and moved on as is. What she was doing was running on the losers of the opposite party. What were the losers of a cult going to realistically do? When struggling with the Palestine issue she gleefully screams to the world her endorsement of war criminal Dick Cheney.

I think a lot of people stayed home.

SubwooferKing posted...
Latinos for trump ALWAYS makes me scratch my head and think what the fuck, bruh?

Cubans really don't like economic refugees which all other Latinos are.

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uwnim
11/06/24 1:28:42 AM
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
Not belong to the political party overseeing massive amounts of inflation and sky high costs for housing, food, and used cars
This is the part that is so annoying. Because, based on policy, she was projected to be better for all of those things than Trump.

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Ricemills
11/06/24 1:33:47 AM
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Remember when people are optimistic when she replaced Biden?
And remember how the optimism is gone after she makes it clear that she will continue Biden's bad policies, especially on supporting Israel's genocide?

I've been keeping quiet for the last few week because it was beyond hope. The ship is sinking and dumbassess on denial instead of fixing it.


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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/06/24 1:33:56 AM
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uwnim posted...
This is the part that is so annoying. Because, based on policy, she was projected to be better for all of those things than Trump.

They don't care about projections. They only care about the condition of their wallet under the current president. Reminder that Obama's approval rating went from 88% to 48% in a mere month because he hadn't fixed the global recession yet.
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Hyena_Of_Ice
11/06/24 1:35:07 AM
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Ricemills posted...
Remember when people are optimistic when she replaced Biden?
And remember how the optimism is gone after she makes it clear that she will continue Biden's bad policies, especially on supporting Israel's genocide?

And yet we still ended up with the highest percentage of Jews going for the Republican candidate in decades, because even a surprising percentage of liberal Jews decided she wasn't pro-Israel enough.
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SubwooferKing
11/06/24 1:36:55 AM
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I live near Seattle, so a blue state overall, but I know Im gonna be seeing all those wack ass trump flag flying trucks soon lol
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Ricemills
11/06/24 1:38:04 AM
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
And yet we still ended up with the highest percentage of Jews going for the Republican candidate in decades, because even a surprising percentage of liberal Jews decided she wasn't pro-Israel enough.

More evidence that they catering on the wrong constituents.

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Rika_Furude
11/06/24 1:39:43 AM
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Theres three major takeaways:

1) shes not as right-wing as trump
2) shes a woman
3) shes a minority

in fact, point #2 might be such a major issue in some peoples minds that it might even be a bigger issue overall than #1 on that list

either way, america is a right-wing shithole and is only ever going to go further and further right until its too late to recover
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uwnim
11/06/24 1:40:47 AM
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
They don't care about projections. They only care about the condition of their wallet under the current president.
I know that. But that is why it is frustrating. Like it would be one thing if some thought was put into it, but there isn't.

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Voidgolem
11/06/24 1:40:49 AM
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squall567 posted...
Could have stopped trying convince people that she will just be like Biden when Biden DROPPED OUT OF THE FUCKING RACE FOR BEING TOO UNPOPULAR.

Also Palestine.

Biden dropped out of the race for being old and the people who cared about Palestine apparently decided the guy who wants to nuke it was a better option.

That being said: The whole pivot away from "the republicans are weird" to "hey look it's your favorite politician with 13% approval: Holden Bloodfeast the IVth, here to say he's less of a war criminal now" is probably what did the most damage

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Metal_Gear_Raxis
11/06/24 1:42:10 AM
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
And yet we still ended up with the highest percentage of Jews going for the Republican candidate in decades, because even a surprising percentage of liberal Jews decided she wasn't pro-Israel enough.
I thought American Jews tend to be anti-Isreal?

Rika_Furude posted...
Theres three major takeaways:

1) shes not as right-wing as trump
2) shes a woman
3) shes a minority

in fact, point #2 might be such a major issue in some peoples minds that it might even be a bigger issue overall than #1 on that list

either way, america is a right-wing shithole and is only ever going to go further and further right until its too late to recover
Honestly at this point I'm beginning to wonder if the union will break up. I just don't see how America keeps on keeping on at the rate it's going.

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Zikten
11/06/24 1:45:04 AM
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I wonder if she could have won if Biden had committed to 1 term and gave her a full preparation period instead of just a few months
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Necronmon
11/06/24 1:45:57 AM
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Honestly at this point I'm beginning to wonder if the union will break up. I just don't see how America keeps on keeping on at the rate it's going.

People better take a good look at nations like Bosnia, Iraq, and more, there's a good chance we could be a bigger version of them in the future...a broken nation of tribes that only care about owning the other tribe with nothing else mattering.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
11/06/24 1:46:32 AM
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Zikten posted...
I wonder if she could have won if Biden had committed to 1 term and gave her a full preparation period instead of just a few months
Biden committing to 1 term would have definitely helped but the wild degradation he had over the last year was pretty hard to predict. Usually the incumbency is an advantage.

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OverlordHorizon
11/06/24 1:47:05 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
either way, america is a right-wing shithole and is only ever going to go further and further right until its too late to recover
I don't know about that. There's always a cycle... when people will be tired of conservatism, they will change sides.
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squall567
11/06/24 1:47:33 AM
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Voidgolem posted...
Biden dropped out of the race for being old and the people who cared about Palestine apparently decided the guy who wants to nuke it was a better option.

That being said: The whole pivot away from "the republicans are weird" to "hey look it's your favorite politician with 13% approval: Holden Bloodfeast the IVth, here to say he's less of a war criminal now" is probably what did the most damage
For better or for worse, American voters are not the most rational bunch. The polling data showed Harris lost majority of the Arab American support that Biden got in 2020.

She could have lied about her stance on Palestine but she decided to try to fight Trump on who is more pro-Israel. She got what she deserved.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
11/06/24 1:49:20 AM
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squall567 posted...
The polling data showed Harris lost majority of the Arab American support that Biden got in 2020.
Expecting lots of Muslim and Latino faces getting eaten by the leopards over the next few years.

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squall567
11/06/24 1:52:47 AM
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Metal_Gear_Raxis posted...
Expecting lots of Muslim and Latino faces getting eaten by the leopards over the next few years.
As opposed to their faces getting eaten now under the Biden administration?
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Kaldrenthebold
11/06/24 1:54:05 AM
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Not be tied to the Biden administration and also not be a fucking puppet dry politician with zero ideas other than not trump. That worked in 2020 but not sure why they thought it would now

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CommonStar
11/06/24 1:56:15 AM
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Zikten posted...
I wonder if she could have won if Biden had committed to 1 term and gave her a full preparation period instead of just a few months
No because she probably wouldn't even be the nominee.
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Metal_Gear_Raxis
11/06/24 2:05:32 AM
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CommonStar posted...
No because she probably wouldn't even be the nominee.
I dunno, Democrats nominated Clinton in 2016...

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action52
11/06/24 2:06:31 AM
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I don't know if there's anything she could have done. The data we have suggests the main things Trump won on were the economy and immigration.

Because even though inflation was caused more by the guy they just elected, and thanks to Biden America had less inflation than almost every industrialized nation, people are mad that prices are high. And they want to punish the president who is in power now.

Also because even though immigrants objectively improve the economy and lower the crime rate, even though we are a (supposedly) proud nation of immigrants where almost everyone has a story in their family history about their ancestors coming to America and living the American dream, it doesn't matter. The irrational fear of immigration refuses to go away.

I don't think her cozying up to Republicans moved the needle much either way. I don't think taking a harder stance against Israel would have helped either. Sure, she might have gotten better turnout, but now it looks like Trump might have gotten more votes because she didn't support Israel enough. I don't see the extra turnout making up for all that.

Basically she lost because the democrats had the bad luck of being in charge during four terrible years, and because America still has a lot of bigotry.

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Rika_Furude
11/06/24 2:18:25 AM
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OverlordHorizon posted...
I don't know about that. There's always a cycle... when people will be tired of conservatism, they will change sides.
Theres a worldwide shift to the right. The cycle youre talking about may apply at some point in the distant future. I propose civilisation will collapse due to climate change and biodiversity collapse before the shift back to the left happens
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action52
11/06/24 2:20:45 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Theres a worldwide shift to the right.
I know. It's starting to look like a comeback for fascism (or something very similar) is inevitable at this point. And the USA doesn't look to be one of the countries fighting against it this time around.

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psideresider
11/06/24 2:25:09 AM
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I thought after her raising 200 million in a couple days she had a legit shot. Felt like a jolt compared to Biden, who at that point was dried up like a sponge in the sun. I cant believe he won again. Dudes like the Andy Kaufman of presidents.

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vycebrand2
11/06/24 2:31:09 AM
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My guess not run either one way back before the Primaries. There could have been others to pick from. It could have been a real race.

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PiOverlord
11/06/24 2:32:07 AM
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I don't know, maybe she just wasn't a national-quality candidate.

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Vengeance29
11/06/24 2:35:17 AM
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Be white and be a man probably.
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