Current Events > Ever missed George W. Bush?

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No, no can't say I do.

Even if I very mildly miss the facade/thin veneer conservatives used to put on of about caring about being the party of small government, can't say I've ever actually missed W.

I'd take W. over our current alternative, and that's saying a lot since Bush was quite bad

We need Kamala if we have any hope to not ruin everything

fuck no

lol no

He is also terrible and it would be insane to say he made no contribution to what would be Trumpism but

I'd take Bush over Trumpism

I remember being relieved that I would never have a worse president in my lifetime.

Boy was I wrong

Not really, no. I have commented that Trump is worse to insult Trump, but I certainly don't want Dubua back. He sucked as president.

Not at all.

IMO the GOP was absolutely certain to end democracy in the US by 2050 or so just by keeping on with the Bush/Cheney game plan of creeping fascism with enough deniability to keep the mainstream media and most of the population blind to the threat.

Then Trump happened, which is very double edged. We could get GOP fascism in the next week, but it's now possible for this shit to be confronted and for it to lose.

Thermador446 posted...

I remember being relieved that I would never have a worse president in my lifetime.

Boy was I wrong

If we end up with a Republican president in 2028 or later who isn't Trump, that person will most likely be worse than Trump (even though that's literally unthinkable now).

I miss thinking he was the dumbest president ever.

"Now watch this drive", as memeable as it is now, is a pretty horrific example of how little he gave a fuck. Not really the best choice for the leader of a country

He was entertaining with his Bushisms.

EPR-radar posted...

If we end up with a Republican president in 2028 or later who isn't Trump, that person will most likely be worse than Trump (even though that's literally unthinkable now).

You're probably right.
I do feel safe saying that they cannot be more stupid and incompetent than trump

Bush's policies and attitudes really did set the groundwork for MAGA - the weaponization of "patriotism" as being a violent, jingoistic, and bigoted person really started in the leadup to the Iraq War. MAGA just took that and turned it on immigrants and gays (other subgroups that Bush's GOP also shit on).

That said, the one time I did miss George W. Bush was during the onset and peak of the COVID-19 pandemic. As flawed a president as Bush was, the one area in which he was eminently qualified and capable was public health. Bush read about the 1918 flu pandemic and, rightfully so, started shitting himself at the thought of another one happening. Bush's administration set up a lot of important infrastructure and ideas that the Trump administration ended up defunding and disregarding. Bush being president during COVID-19 would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives since he wouldn't have politicized the pandemic and Republicans would have followed common sense medical advice.

The GOP has always kind of been a bit of a cult in those ways, but at least under Bush it wasn't a literal death cult

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his wars cost us 20 trillion dollars

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No, I've never actually thrown a shoe

He was better than Clinton at least

Reminds me of when SBAllen popped in earlier this year asking if we missed him.

No. Trump is worse by far, but Bush was still truly awful. His administration changed the world for the worse.

No.

ShadowMan033 posted...

He was better than Clinton at least

I would not call GWB better than Bill. Definitely not.

Bill had some real issues (Monica, how he handled Rwanda to name two) but I'd rather have him any day

W. was the worst President in living memory. Then Trump said "hold my Big Mac."

Orange_Ninja posted...

No. Trump is worse by far, but Bush was still truly awful. His administration changed the world for the worse.

War crimes overseas and normalization of torture under W Bush are each far worse than anything Bill Clinton was even accused of doing, much less what he actually did.

Good god no.

Ive said it before and Ill say it again. Even though I dont have anything to base this off besides a gut feeling, theres no doubt in my mind that if that idiot was never elected president, we would be in a MUCH better place right now.

GWB accused all of us who dont buy the phony 911 story "terrorists" and gave us the "Patriot Act" as well as the "model state health emergency powers act"....

So no

shin89510 posted...

GWB accused all of us who dont buy the phony 911 story "terrorists" and gave us the "Patriot Act" as well as the "model state health emergency powers act"....

So no

jet fuel can't melt steel beams is an oldie but a goodie

ironman2009 posted...

jet fuel can't melt steel beams is an oldie but a goodie

earthquake/bomb resistant high rise buildings collapsing at free fall speed into their own footprint is too ^_^

Bush and his entire cabinet should be rotting in jail for the rest of their lives.

I was too young to remember his presidency
but he seems better than trump

Kanaya413 posted...

I was too young to remember his presidency
but he seems better than trump

Naturally. Trump is the worst president ever, after all, and it isn't close.

shin89510 posted...

earthquake/bomb resistant high rise buildings collapsing at free fall speed into their own footprint is too ^_^

But what happens if four hundred thousand points of weight suddenly crashes into the buildings damaging their structural integrity? That's not exactly something the people who built the towers were planning for.

Yes it was terrorists.

There are legitimate things to blame on W. Like going after the wrong country and claiming they had WMDs when they didn't but it was planes that took down the towers.

EPR-radar posted...

War crimes overseas and normalization of torture under W Bush are each far worse than anything Bill Clinton was even accused of doing, much less what he actually did.

I'm a little confused on why you quoted my post here. I didn't mention Bill Clinton at all... <_< I 100% agree Bush was a fucking awful president.

Orange_Ninja posted...

I'm a little confused on why you quoted my post here. I didn't mention Bill Clinton at all... <_< I 100% agree Bush was a fucking awful president.

My bad. I quoted the wrong post.

no, but this guy has

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Not for one second.

ShadowMan033 posted...

He was better than Clinton at least

lmao no he fucking wasn't

creativerealms posted...

There are legitimate things to blame on W. Like going after the wrong country and claiming they had WMDs when they didn't

this part is true

SSj4Wingzero posted...

Bush's policies and attitudes really did set the groundwork for MAGA - the weaponization of "patriotism" as being a violent, jingoistic, and bigoted person really started in the leadup to the Iraq War. MAGA just took that and turned it on immigrants and gays (other subgroups that Bush's GOP also shit on).

That said, the one time I did miss George W. Bush was during the onset and peak of the COVID-19 pandemic. As flawed a president as Bush was, the one area in which he was eminently qualified and capable was public health. Bush read about the 1918 flu pandemic and, rightfully so, started shitting himself at the thought of another one happening. Bush's administration set up a lot of important infrastructure and ideas that the Trump administration ended up defunding and disregarding. Bush being president during COVID-19 would have saved hundreds of thousands of lives since he wouldn't have politicized the pandemic and Republicans would have followed common sense medical advice.

The GOP has always kind of been a bit of a cult in those ways, but at least under Bush it wasn't a literal death cult

I'd also like to point out that in late 2007 Bush made a speech condemning nationalism and nativism. This was after he noticed the rise in these things even back then (actually it was first noticeable in 2005 via right wing backlash to his attempts at immigration reforms.) He (and the GOP, as it was in those days) also heavily condemned the Trumpian nationalism/xenophobia/other crap of Pat Buchanan back in 2000. The GOP sure was a lot different before the Tea Party took power...

EPR-radar posted...

Naturally. Trump is the worst president ever, after all, and it isn't close.

Nah Buchanan is still worse as of right now. Trump is a close second though.

Now watch this drive

I miss the time when all the presidents I knew were professional

ShadowMan033 posted...

He was better than Clinton at least

Drugs are bad

EPR-radar posted...

Naturally. Trump is the worst president ever, after all, and it isn't close.

A second Trump term is p likely the worst but as it stands, Jackson/W/Buchanan/Johnson are all worse atm

MorbidEngel posted...

I would not call GWB better than Bill. Definitely not.

Bill had some real issues (Monica, how he handled Rwanda to name two) but I'd rather have him any day

Haaa ha ha ha! Those aren't even his worst ones by a long shot! Esp. the Lewinski scandal!
--His handling of Haitian refugees in Gitmo (his very first presidential scandal)
--Firing Bush Sr's FDA commissioner who opposed advertising prescription drugs, and replacing him with an FDA commissioner who did
--The parts of NAFTA dealing with overseas trade
--Repeal of Glass Steagall (the fact that Congress had a veto-proof majority is completely irrelevant when the president himself voices support for the bill.)
--Passing/Support for the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (see above)

That said, yeah, he was still better than Dubya.

Kain_Highwind posted...

A second Trump term is p likely the worst but as it stands, Jackson/W/Buchanan/Johnson are all worse atm

What about John Adams? (not to be confused with his son, who was one of our best presidents) He had the Alien Sedition and other acts passed that allowed him to deport immigrants with impunity, imprison them indefinitely without trial, and arrest journalists for criticizing him.

electricbugs2 posted...

Nah Buchanan is still worse as of right now. Trump is a close second though.

I don't know. As bad as Buchanan was, January 6 makes Trump the single individual in the history of America who has done the most damage to the country.

Hyena_Of_Ice posted...

I'd also like to point out that in late 2007 Bush made a speech condemning nationalism and nativism. This was after he noticed the rise in these things even back then (actually it was first noticeable in 2005 via right wing backlash to his attempts at immigration reforms.) He (and the GOP, as it was in those days) also heavily condemned the Trumpian nationalism/xenophobia/other crap of Pat Buchanan back in 2000. The GOP sure was a lot different before the Tea Party took power...

That's true, but the problem is that a lot of that nationalism and nativism is just the GOP with their masks off. The GOP's emphasis on "family values" was really just their way of disenfranchising Black people and promoting segregation by another means. Bush himself might not have overtly bought into white nationalism and nativism, but the GOP has been riding the white nationalism and nativism train since the 1970s - the whole reason the GOP adopted "family values" was as a way to incorporate the Dixiecrat policy platform as per the Southern Strategy, and as such, Bush, even though he wasn't the architect of it, certainly bears responsibility for it to an extent.

Trump was not some takeover of the GOP. Trump is literally what the GOP has been fighting for for *decades* - they have been fighting for a conservative white ethnostate for decades, just by another name.

EPR-radar posted...

My bad. I quoted the wrong post.

Word. No problem. I've done that before too.