Current Events > I just heard about sloppy joes

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LeoRavus posted...

Yeah, they're pretty gross. Way too sweet and saucy. I'd rather turn the meat into a regular hamburger.

The sweetness turns me off too. It I must eat them, I use the "hood solution" of drenching it in hot sauce. Sharp cheese helps too.

Sloppy joes are great.

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News to me, but I didn't realize this was an English invention.

brestugo posted...

I use the "hood solution" of drenching it in hot sauce.

i wish they had hotter hot sauce in bigger bottles for cheaper... store only carries the weak tapatio :(.

I think I'll make Sloppy Joes today.

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are you thinking of a pot pie?

Wait till you hear about spam

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Not exactly. It's part of the whole "the best British food is French" saying as it was them essentially just bringing over a French recipe and claiming that they made it.

ellis123 posted...

Not exactly. It's part of the whole "the best British food is French" saying as it was them essentially just bringing over a French recipe and claiming that they made it.

A lot of America's best foods are us taking another country's thing and "Americanizing" it. See Pizza.

ellis123 posted...

Not exactly. It's part of the whole "the best British food is French" saying as it was them essentially just bringing over a French recipe and claiming that they made it.

French food is also kinda bad though. Like actual from France food and not Canadian French or creole/Cajun French.

They be like "Dessert is served!" And it's just a wedge of Brie with some jam on top.

SilvosForever posted...

A lot of America's best foods are us taking another country's thing and "Americanizing" it. See Pizza.

Hence why you tend to find stuff like pizza in Italian restaurants and never in American ones.

SilvosForever posted...

A lot of America's best foods are us taking another country's thing and "Americanizing" it. See Pizza.

The gulf between pizza and other Italian foods, and what we call Italian food in the US is almost as wide as the Atlantic.

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mustachedmystic posted...

Mandatory fish head pie.
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Stargazy pie!

Isn't that like Adam Sandler's 2nd most famous song?

Rotterdammerung posted...

Stargazy pie!

I've had a version of this before and it was actually pretty good but I also like fishy things like anchovies and such. They have a very strong taste that just makes everything else seem bland by comparison.

Sloppy joes might have too much seasoning for some people

TheOtherMike posted...

Why do I have to scroll through three miles of text before the recipe?

why would anyone just give their recipes away for free?

as for shepherd's pie, that is 'british' food. I actually think it's more scottish/irish food than british food, tbh

the american version usually only does ground beef, but the UK versions would use beef or lamb. foods like that are invented to reduce waste.

brestugo posted...

The gulf between pizza and other Italian foods, and what we call Italian food in the US is almost as wide as the Atlantic.

Yeah, and the development of a lot of those foods is quite interesting - I always thought that carbonara and other Italian pastas were "traditional" dishes, but apparently there's some speculation that they may have been invented during and after WW2 in order to feed American soldiers fighting in Italy.

Meanwhile you have pizza which was originally only a neapolitan dish that was actually popularized in the US. Its popularity in the US made it a worldwide phenomenon - I actually had Korean pizza when I was in Korea, and I was rather impressed by the ingredients they used.

Mmmm. I made this alot about 5yrs ago when I got some new pots and pans. (Stock photo)
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If you dont like sloppy Joes, youre a fucking communist

I should make sloppy joes soon. It's been a long time.

SSj4Wingzero posted...

Yeah, and the development of a lot of those foods is quite interesting - I always thought that carbonara and other Italian pastas were "traditional" dishes, but apparently there's some speculation that they may have been invented during and after WW2 in order to feed American soldiers fighting in Italy.

Meanwhile you have pizza which was originally only a neapolitan dish that was actually popularized in the US. Its popularity in the US made it a worldwide phenomenon - I actually had Korean pizza when I was in Korea, and I was rather impressed by the ingredients they used.

I've heard that from no less than a chef in Rome. He also said that Italian-American food uses more tomato than in Italy. The tomato is from South America, and didn't get to Italy until the 1600s. It was something that was really only for wealthy people, but when Italian immigrants saw that it was so common in the US, they heavily incorporated it.

Also created pepperoni, which doesn't exist in Italy.

Lady youre scaring us

They're pretty damn good

brestugo posted...

I've heard that from no less than a chef in Rome. He also said that Italian-American food uses more tomato than in Italy. The tomato is from South America, and didn't get to Italy until the 1600s. It was something that was really only for wealthy people, but when Italian immigrants saw that it was so common in the US, they heavily incorporated it.

Also created pepperoni, which doesn't exist in Italy.

"Marinara" sauce was named so after the sailors because they were the ones with access to tomatoes the most which is basically just crushed up tomatoes with anchovies although today most recipes don't use the anchovies.

The most common/popular method of eating pasta in Italy is just with olive oil and either parmigiano reggiano cheese or pecorino Romano cheese.

Tomatoes are super common in Italy now though.

Well that's a bummer <_<

LonelyStoner posted...

Lady youre scaring us

Fun Fact: The lunch lady played the Fairy Godmother in the Cinderella episode of "Tales from Muppet Land".

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While were on a Billy Madison kick

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"Marinara" sauce was named so after the sailors because they were the ones with access to tomatoes the most which is basically just crushed up tomatoes with anchovies although today most recipes don't use the anchovies.

The most common/popular method of eating pasta in Italy is just with olive oil and either parmigiano reggiano cheese or pecorino Romano cheese.

Tomatoes are super common in Italy now though.

Correct, but don't forget the garlic! As for tomato, Italy's created the San Marzano, which many Italian Americans swear by.

brestugo posted...

Correct, but don't forget the garlic! As for tomato, Italy'se created the San Marzono, which many Italian Americans swear by.

If my grandmother had wheels shed be a bike

yeah man, we're fine. what about a sloppy joe would make you think otherwise? or are you actually saying you think ground meat with sauce on a bun is worthy of concern ... somehow?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

"Marinara" sauce was named so after the sailors because they were the ones with access to tomatoes the most which is basically just crushed up tomatoes with anchovies although today most recipes don't use the anchovies.

The most common/popular method of eating pasta in Italy is just with olive oil and either parmigiano reggiano cheese or pecorino Romano cheese.

Tomatoes are super common in Italy now though.

I find it to be an amazing story overall. Folks always seem to focus on what "authentic" food is, but I find there to be something very poetic about how the Italian-American working-class immigrants from Southern Italy were so successful at popularizing one of their local cuisines that it actually affected how people ate back in the old country. That's pretty damn impressive, and a testament to how hard those immigrants worked and how good they were at popularizing their culture, discrimination notwithstanding.

As an aside, as a Chinese-American, I always find it to be very irritating when other Chinese-Americans write off American Chinese food as being "inauthentic".

For starters, half the time, the Chinese-Americans who write off American Chinese Food are usually American-born kids who can't speak a word of Chinese other than their own name, so it's hard to take their opinions on what is or isn't "authentic" Chinese culture seriously.

But more to the point, Americanized Chinese food was invented by Chinese immigrants as a way to make money and survive in a country which discriminated against them. It was basically a survival lifeline for Chinese immigrants who couldn't find jobs in any other field due to racial discrimination. That, to me, is the pinnacle of authenticity - adapting in order to survive.

SSj4Wingzero posted...

But more to the point, Americanized Chinese food was invented by Chinese immigrants as a way to make money and survive in a country which discriminated against them. It was basically a survival lifeline for Chinese immigrants who couldn't find jobs in any other field due to racial discrimination. That, to me, is the pinnacle of authenticity - adapting in order to survive.

Also most of those American Chinese dishes were made originally to try to best emulate the local home cuisine as best as they could using only what they had available.

Like hypothetically if you sent a bunch of Italians somewhere where they only had avocado oil, they'd probably try to use it as a substitute for olive oil and then use other things like anchovies or some kind of bitter root to get it tasting as close to olives as they could. It would be the same authentic recipe it just makes some unusual substitutions because the typical ingredients don't exist.

Probably the best example of this that people see today is the American Japanese imitation wasabi. Yeah sure it's not literal wasabi but it's close enough and the fish and rice are ubiquitous so you can get authentic sushi. If you've had it better in Japan it's mostly because the demand there is higher so there's a lot of competition which means a lot more experienced chefs all working harder to make their sushi the best.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Also most of those American Chinese dishes were made originally to try to best emulate the local home cuisine as best as they could using only what they had available.

Yeah, I think a few of them are. Others appear to be made either intentionally to cater to Americans' tastes, *or* coincidentally happen to cater to Americans' tastes better, probably because of the ingredients that were available to the Chinese chefs at the time.

Most American Chinese dishes are also intentionally prepared in such a fashion that they can be ready very quickly. Chinese takeout restaurants are a very well-oiled (no pun intended) operation - a lot of the sauces use a lot of the same ingredients just minus one or two things here or there, so they're really just making variations on the same dish over and over again.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Probably the best example of this that people see today is the American Japanese imitation wasabi. Yeah sure it's not literal wasabi but it's close enough and the fish and rice are ubiquitous so you can get authentic sushi. If you've had it better in Japan it's mostly because the demand there is higher so there's a lot of competition which means a lot more experienced chefs all working harder to make their sushi the best.

And even in Japan, they'll be the first to admit that they've taken many dishes from other cultures and localized them. Curry is not native to Japan, of course, but the Japanese took an Indian dish and added some of their own flavors to it, to the point where Japanese Chicken Curry is now one of Japan's national dishes. I find that to be a cool story, but I don't think it could happen today because people would just cry cultural appropriation.