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Kain_Highwind 08/22/24 10:19:05 AM #1: |
https://twitter.com/uncommittedmvmt/status/1826470913233080763 https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1826419437072699608 https://twitter.com/ryangrim/status/1826436902234259730 https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1826483445654049177 Because the dems refused to let someone speak for Palestine during the DNC while having the family of an Israeli hostage on stage --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 08/22/24 10:21:25 AM #2: |
The DNC has told the Uncommitted delegates that no Palestinian will be allowed to speak from the stage, even with a vetted speechwhy would they say this wtf --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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AnsestralRecall 08/22/24 10:22:12 AM #3: |
But it's the protesters fault you guys --- 1213 // Queer Liberation, Not Assimilation ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:22:14 AM #4: |
The schedule's been finalized for weeks. The Uncommitted movement literally just made this demand last night. I'm sure they'd be happy to have a Palestinian speaker onstage who wholeheartedly endorsed Harris, bashed Donald Trump and encouraged voting for Democrats but that's probably not what Uncommitted wants and they haven't put forth an actual speaker, let alone one that can be trusted to stay on message. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 08/22/24 10:23:06 AM #5: |
Sowho are they going to support now? Trump? --- He's all alone through the day and night. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Diceheist 08/22/24 10:23:23 AM #6: |
Doe posted... The DNC has told the Uncommitted delegates that no Palestinian will be allowed to speak from the stage, even with a vetted speech Dems went about a whole month without any screwups like this, might be a modern record. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MaxEffingBemis 08/22/24 10:24:50 AM #7: |
Dog they can bump off one of these other losers nobody knows or cares about and replace them with a Palestinian speaker. But nah they dont want to do that --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BakonBitz 08/22/24 10:25:40 AM #8: |
The Democratic party was doing so well. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PizzaPatty 08/22/24 10:28:18 AM #9: |
Yeah this is a very bad look for the democrats but you know they are not Trump so even though it hurts I will let this slide because when Kamala wins I know she will put an end to the genocide. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:28:19 AM #10: |
There are 30 Uncommitted Delegates and Israel.Palestine polls as a minor issue for most voters. Twitter isn't real life, guys. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlueTigerLion 08/22/24 10:29:11 AM #11: |
Im guessing it is due to being live TV. You known Obama, Hilary, etc will say positive things about Harris. You put on a random person there is a risk they go off script and actually attack Harris/Biden. DNC doesnt want a George Bush doesn't care about black people moment to happen to them. Thinking about it that would have been an interesting social media moment if someone went on stage and said Harris doesnt care about Palestinian people. Since Kanye did that before twitter iirc. --- Hey now. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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McMarbles 08/22/24 10:29:58 AM #12: |
Giving in to people demanding Do this or else surely would be a great idea. --- Currently playing: Octopath Traveller (Switch) Never befriend a man in sandals and always measure twice, cut once. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:30:26 AM #13: |
MaxEffingBemis posted... Dog they can bump off one of these other losers nobody knows or cares about and replace them with a Palestinian speaker. But nah they dont want to do that Uncommitted started making this demand LAST NIGHT. When the convention is like 3 days in! Of course they don't want to do that on the night Harris is making her big speech! --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/22/24 10:30:35 AM #14: |
Doe posted... why would they say this wtf What if they told people not to vote for Harris? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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WingsOfGood 08/22/24 10:31:51 AM #15: |
AnsestralRecall posted... But it's the protesters fault you guys If they wanted to speak at the DNC might not say things like "trump isn't worse" and "don't vote for dems" So yes, in that respect it is their fault ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 08/22/24 10:31:52 AM #16: |
As I said in the DNC topic, the perfect compromise is have them write a letter, Omar or someone sympathetic to their cause goes on stage to read it. It's that simple. You're getting your message across and the messenger is someone sympathetic to your cause. And you avoid the possibility of them going off script and damaging the brand. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 08/22/24 10:32:13 AM #17: |
McMarbles posted... Giving in to people demanding Do this or else surely would be a great idea.So why did they have a pro Israel speaker --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Ooooooranges 08/22/24 10:32:15 AM #18: |
Honestly they were stupid for having endorsed her in the first place, if Palestine was a red line. --- http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/2011/10/10/pujols_85507.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThunderTrain 08/22/24 10:32:36 AM #19: |
LonelyStoner posted... Sowho are they going to support now? Trump? Theyre going to support a 3rd party --- I used to be a blackjack dealer on a riverboat named Black Sally's Apple. It was a very low point in my life ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kain_Highwind 08/22/24 10:32:38 AM #20: |
WingsOfGood posted... If they wantes to speak at the DNC migjt not say things like "trump isn't worse" and "don't vote for dems"liberals are so bad at this --- http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/9362/davidbowie.jpg David Bowie ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SaikyoStyle 08/22/24 10:33:16 AM #21: |
LonelyStoner posted... Sowho are they going to support now? Trump?Indirectly yes. --- Taxes, death, and trouble. Brunt/Gaila 2024. Make Ferenginar Great Again! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doe 08/22/24 10:33:30 AM #22: |
LightSnake posted... There are 30 Uncommitted Delegates and Israel.Palestine polls as a minor issue for most voters.You're posting a lot in this thread for someone claiming to think this is unimportant --- https://imgur.com/gallery/dXDmJHw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75GL-BYZFfY ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Diceheist 08/22/24 10:34:01 AM #23: |
McMarbles posted... Giving in to people demanding Do this or else surely would be a great idea. That was the whole story behind Biden withdrawing. Sometimes requests are made for a reason. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 08/22/24 10:34:22 AM #24: |
PizzaPatty posted... because when Kamala wins I know she will put an end to the genocide.No she won't --- See profile pic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:36:06 AM #25: |
Diceheist posted... That was the whole story behind Biden withdrawing. Sometimes requests are made for a reason. Biden didn't withdraw because of fringe protesters. Pelosi was leading that one. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 08/22/24 10:40:11 AM #26: |
Irony posted... No she won'tThis. As much as I prefer her to Trump, shes not some savior who will suddenly solve every problem or change her objectives. --- He's all alone through the day and night. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:41:01 AM #27: |
The best you can say is Harris is less sympathetic to Israel uniformly than Biden and supports a ceasefire. If this could be ended with a phone call, it'd have been done months ago. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 08/22/24 10:41:21 AM #28: |
LightSnake posted... Biden didn't withdraw because of fringe protesters. Pelosi was leading that one.There were a number of contributing factors, Pelosi couldn't have done it out of the blue. LightSnake posted... The best you can say is Harris is less sympathetic to Israel uniformly than Biden and supports a ceasefire.Israel would crumble without the support of the US. It's definitely something a phone call could accomplish. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:44:11 AM #29: |
1337toothbrush posted... There were a number of contributing factors, Pelosi couldn't have done it out of the blue. Every poll reflected voters' prime concerns were the economy, immigration, crime etc. and it was based entirely on vibes of Biden being old and less capable. Sure, it wasn't just Pelosi. But a whole lot of Democratic lawmakers had explicit concerns about Biden and his affect on the downballot. There's just no evidence the protesters had much of anything to do with it. He wasn't off the ballot because of Israel/Palestine. Also, Israel would not 'crumble without the support of the US,' it's got a powerful economy, a thriving arms industry, and it's a nuclear power to boot. There have been multiple stories of Biden pressuring Netanyahu to cease certain actions and other stories of Netanyahu straight up not listening. He's not a colonial viceroy. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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K181 08/22/24 10:45:30 AM #30: |
Didn't uncommitted get something like 5% of the primary vote? In what world does that result in dictating any speakers at a convention? --- Irregardless, for all intensive purposes, I could care less. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 08/22/24 10:45:31 AM #31: |
LightSnake posted... There are 30 Uncommitted Delegates and Israel.Palestine polls as a minor issue for most voters.Don't be so sure It made a massive difference in the recent UK elections And several key swing states have such little margins for error that a tiny section of voters can make a massive difference. Nearly 1.1 million Muslims voted in 2020 and 86% of them voted Biden (Only 6% voted Trump) If you don't think 940,000 voters being on the fence can make a difference, you're not watching And that number will be higher now given the Gaza situation. There is greater incentive for Muslim voters to turn out than there was in 2020. "lol who cares, doesn't matter." is the attitude Clinton had in 2016 before she got spanked --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 08/22/24 10:46:55 AM #32: |
LightSnake posted... The best you can say is Harris is less sympathetic to Israel uniformly than Biden and supports a ceasefire.A lot of good those ceasefires have done so far. --- He's all alone through the day and night. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:47:04 AM #33: |
UnfairRepresent posted... Don't be so sure There's one state where Gaza may make a difference and that's Michigan. That was Biden's best state in polling and Harris has been exceeding that. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Pogo_Marimo 08/22/24 10:50:24 AM #34: |
Question: Who cares? This is how half of all liberal organizations work anyways. "Meet our specific single-issue voter demand or we'll try to destroy the entire campaign". It's a stunt to make their organization gain more visibility, not a practical approach to getting the best candidate elected. This doesn't move the needle on the election at all. Most of these people are still going to vote for Harris if they were going to vote for her in the first place, because to not do so would be such a catastrophically self-destructive vote it would require actual stupidity to do so. --- 'Cause you know that I have no fear, ain't gonna walk into the river and disappear. I'm gonna be a powerful man. Red blood running down the broken sand. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DuneMan 08/22/24 10:51:44 AM #35: |
ClayGuida posted... As I said in the DNC topic, the perfect compromise is have them write a letter, Omar or someone sympathetic to their cause goes on stage to read it. It's that simple. You're getting your message across and the messenger is someone sympathetic to your cause. And you avoid the possibility of them going off script and damaging the brand.Yeah, politically it would be stupid for them to let an unvetted speaker on stage. But you know the protesters likely want that soapbox on television, meaning they'd never settle for a third party reading a letter. --- "I'd rather betray the world than let the world betray me." -Cao Cao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 10:52:52 AM #36: |
Also, Omar's not Palestinian. There'd be discourse about letting a Somali woman be the voice of that specific community. Ruwa Romman would be a better messenger --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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GrandConjuraton 08/22/24 10:55:01 AM #37: |
LightSnake posted... There are 30 Uncommitted Delegates and Israel.Palestine polls as a minor issue for most voters. --- Swansong, I can feel you fade. https://imgur.com/o21DN7r ... Copied to Clipboard!
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1337toothbrush 08/22/24 10:58:56 AM #38: |
LightSnake posted... Also, Omar's not Palestinian. There'd be discourse about letting a Somali woman be the voice of that specific community.You don't have to be of a specific nationality to speak out against genocide. --- https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://i.imgur.com/ZkQRDsR.png - https://i.imgur.com/2x2gtgP.jpg ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 11:00:46 AM #39: |
1337toothbrush posted... You don't have to be of a specific nationality to speak out against genocide. If people are asking to let Palestinians speak, going "okay let a Somali woman speak for them" is a shitty idea for obvious reasons and I know you know that. --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MaxEffingBemis 08/22/24 11:01:18 AM #40: |
LightSnake posted... There are 30 Uncommitted Delegates and Israel.Palestine polls as a minor issue for most voters.Where are you getting your info? Because from the polls Ive seen its the opposite --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CommonStar 08/22/24 11:01:26 AM #41: |
I don't see an issue with allowing a Palestinian American to speak for 5 mins. The Harris campaign can even vet the speech. You have Palestinian American Representatives in the House that they can allow to speak like Rashida Tlaib or Ruwa Romman. If you can push back speeches to make space for Republicans, corporate executives, and Biden dead-enders, then you can make space for a Palestinian American. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hmnut7 08/22/24 11:01:38 AM #42: |
It's not 2016, it's 2024, enough with the bullshit. We did this stupid fucking game with Hillary vs Trump. It is true Hillary will NOT fix all the problems people on the left want as fast as they want. But Trump WILL make those problems worse. Any America who does NOT vote Harris, IS voting for American bombs to kill Palestinian children. --- Starfire: "They are too numerous to fight. What shall we do?" Robin: "Fight anyway!" (pb) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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MaxEffingBemis 08/22/24 11:02:38 AM #43: |
hmnut7 posted... It's not 2016, it's 2024, enough with the bullshit.Hate to inform you of what is currently happening to the Palestinian children --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band ... Copied to Clipboard!
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UnfairRepresent 08/22/24 11:03:10 AM #44: |
CommonStar posted... I don't see an issue with allowing a Palestinian American to speak for 5 mins. The Harris campaign can even vet the speech. You have Palestinian American Representatives in the House that they can allow to speak like Rashida Tlaib or Ruwa Romman. If you can push back speeches to make space for Republicans, corporate executives, and Biden dead-enders, then you can make space for a Palestinian American. LightSnake posted... The schedule's been finalized for weeks. The Uncommitted movement literally just made this demand last night. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair! http://i.imgur.com/yPw05Ob.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Irony 08/22/24 11:03:35 AM #45: |
hmnut7 posted... It's not 2016, it's 2024, enough with the bullshit.Harris will 100% continue supporting Israel to do this so your point kind of doesn't matter --- See profile pic ... Copied to Clipboard!
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theAteam 08/22/24 11:04:57 AM #46: |
ThunderTrain posted... Theyre going to support a 3rd party I imagine PSL would actually do something substantive to end the US' involvement, but they are so far away from relevance it doesn't matter anyway. --- Buffalo Bills ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 11:05:47 AM #47: |
MaxEffingBemis posted... Where are you getting your info? Because from the polls Ive seen its the opposite As far back as May? https://t.co/rON05SrTgn Biden fell behind Trump in late September and his averages increased in 2024. The polls repeatedly indicated Biden lost ground with D voters in 2020 who identify as moderate and conservative and their most important issues with "economy, immigration, crime." --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LightSnake 08/22/24 11:07:12 AM #48: |
Irony posted... Harris will 100% continue supporting Israel to do this so your point kind of doesn't matter Any US president will support Israel, even if they convince Netanyahu to stop, because the other dominant regional powers are Saudi Arabia and Iran and both are considerably worse than Israel while one is openly allied to the US's top geopolitical enemy --- Ring the bells that still can ring/Forget your perfect offering/There is a crack in everything/That's how the light gets in."- RIP, Leonard Cohen ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BlackScythe0 08/22/24 11:08:12 AM #49: |
Doe posted... why would they say this wtf ??? Because they can't be trusted. These people are so off the deep end that they are being suspected of being subversive operatives. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadow_Don 08/22/24 11:09:20 AM #50: |
If its true that they only started making this demand last night then they only have themselves to blame. Part of being a good activist is being a competent one. Maybe you should have tried to be an active participant in the dnc instead of trying and failing to shut it down. --- "The soul in the darkness sins, but the real sinner is he who caused the darkness." - Victor Hugo ... Copied to Clipboard!
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