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Yazarogi
08/22/24 12:25:46 AM
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Hyena_Of_Ice
08/22/24 12:30:31 AM
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Bullshit. It's not self defense when you go to your violent abuser's house-- that is an act of actually placing yourself in great danger.

Umbreon posted...
As a member of society, I feel safer when a sex trafficker is dealt with. The method itself may not have been legal, but it certainly ensured that a piece of shit rapist will never again harm anyone else.
The method may also serve as a warning to any other rat bastard out there.
Yeah, fuck the justice system! Everyone should just take the law into their own hands! That'll definitely make us safer! Esp. when it's a minority-on-white crime (considerable risk that the victim will misidentify their perpetrator)

Weird lot of rape and sex trafficker defenders in this thread. Big yikes from me.
I'm not defending it. This guy was a monster, and the justice system failed dismally by not locking him up long before she killed him -- that failure is absolutely inexcusable. However, vigilante justice is not okay, either. I do think that 11 years is too long a sentence for someone who was a minor at the time unless she has a previous history of sociopathic behavior, or something.

Mistere_Man posted...
Why was she changed with a felon with a firearm?
It is illegal in the United States for someone with a felony conviction to possess firearms. Even if it is for a non-violent crime.
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Mistere_Man
08/22/24 1:19:52 AM
#108:


Hyena_Of_Ice posted...


It is illegal in the United States for someone with a felony conviction to possess firearms. Even if it is for a non-violent crime.

No I know the law, I was more curious how she was considered a felon before her own trial, when it sounded like she had just escaped kidnapping when she was young, but then it was revealed she was not being held in captivity by said monster at the time so maybe she got it from the crap this monster made her do. Or just something completely different that happened in her youth.

If not though it seems ridiculous to charge someone with a felony they havent been convicted of, then a crime applicable to felons when again they were still not yet a felon by court of law.

To long or just hard to understand my rambling? I was just surprised/confused she was already considered a felon to be charged as a felon in possession of a firearm.

I do apologize for my difficulties communicating my thoughts/questions clearly.

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Umbreon
08/22/24 1:24:33 AM
#109:


Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
Yeah, fuck the justice system! Everyone should just take the law into their own hands! That'll definitely make us safer! Esp. when it's a minority-on-white crime (considerable risk that the victim will misidentify their perpetrator)


You being the only one to actually say this aside, why didn't the law handle things? Why did it have to end up like this?

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Mistere_Man
08/22/24 1:28:47 AM
#110:


Umbreon posted...
You being the only one to actually say this aside, why didn't the law handle things? Why did it have to end up like this?

Sounds like the guy had money, and as we see with mr 40+ felonies running for president money is often a stay out of jail card sadly.

Then again they could have had clients in high places.

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FL81
08/22/24 1:54:03 AM
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BlackScythe0 posted...
jury nullification

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pazzy
08/22/24 1:55:43 AM
#112:


How about they not give her jail time and instead give her time in a place where she can get a psych evaluation? That'd make more sense.

I get not letting her roam free entirely considering what happened, as arson is pretty big even if I can see how she'd find it justified. But jail time doesn't really make sense either. Because she has no reason to believe that her trafficker wouldn't come after her.

It'd be better to see if she's stable after all of what happened. Because even if she did murder him, it's ridiculous for someone to be jailed for murdering someone that was trafficking them.

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Bloodmoon77
08/22/24 4:05:32 AM
#113:


Lotta dark defenders and people who probably didn't read the full article in this topic. Her situation does not excuse premeditated murder, arson, and underage prostitution regardless of her circumstances. That's why she's getting 11 years in prison.

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Umbreon
08/22/24 4:38:22 AM
#114:


Bloodmoon77 posted...
Lotta dark defenders and people who probably didn't read the full article in this topic. Her situation does not excuse premeditated murder, arson, and underage prostitution regardless of her circumstances. That's why she's getting 11 years in prison.


???

Why would she be held responsible for that last one when she was the trafficking victim?

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Hyena_Of_Ice
08/22/24 5:57:24 AM
#116:


Mistere_Man posted...
No I know the law, I was more curious how she was considered a felon before her own trial, when it sounded like she had just escaped kidnapping when she was young, but then it was revealed she was not being held in captivity by said monster at the time so maybe she got it from the crap this monster made her do. Or just something completely different that happened in her youth.

If not though it seems ridiculous to charge someone with a felony they havent been convicted of, then a crime applicable to felons when again they were still not yet a felon by court of law.

Yeah, I just assumed that she had priors. Of course, it could be anything from attempted murder to (some dumb bullshit like) writing a fake check.
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Sufferedphoenix
08/22/24 5:59:01 AM
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Sometimes you gotta be willing to accept the consequences even if you feel justified in your actions. Thanks to her nobody will be hurt by him again.

My mom had a inmate in for killing her child's killer. She in court apparently told the judge if she gets out and it happens again with her other child she wouldn't hesitate to do it again.

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divot1338
08/22/24 8:02:28 AM
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The problem is that she then burned the place down once he was dead.

So unless hes an undead that excuse stops being effective.

At some point in her hour long journey this went from whatever you think it was to a victim lashing out with reckless disregard for the people around her.


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Garioshi
08/22/24 9:39:36 AM
#121:


itcheyness posted...
It's not self defense when you go to his house, shoot him in the head, burn his house down, and steal his car I guess?
That is first-degree murder, as it turns out.

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GeraldDarko
08/22/24 9:40:52 AM
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It is rather insulting to have somone imply you support rape, but I think it's an instance of "says more about them than you".

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divot1338
08/22/24 11:40:22 AM
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All Im trying to point out is that might have been true when she shot him but once hes dead that excuse falls flat when she torches the place.

Im more than willing to give her the benefit of the doubt on the rest.

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LonelyStoner
08/22/24 11:42:33 AM
#126:


eggcorn posted...
I'm cool with it.

Her revenge, I mean. Not the prison time.

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divot1338
08/22/24 11:44:15 AM
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I wouldnt have even replied except for the part where you said it was self defense.

If youre not including the arson part in that statement then Ill drop it.

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LonelyStoner
08/22/24 11:45:36 AM
#128:


CobraGT posted...
Um. She was 17 when she did all this

I cry foul on the court.
How was she a felon at 17?

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divot1338
08/22/24 11:48:34 AM
#130:


LonelyStoner posted...
How was she a felon at 17?
African americans are very commonly tried as adult much younger than 17. For whatever racist reason they are viewed as being older than they are.

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divot1338
08/22/24 11:50:14 AM
#131:


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Back in 261 there was always a lot less quibbling over the basic facts of the matter so Ive found that on CE I have to be very specific and super repetitive to get anywhere because there will be ten knuckleheads responding to any attempt at a one on one conversation.

I apologize if that painted you with an overly broad brush.

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LightSnake
08/22/24 12:06:04 PM
#133:


I would hope we can all just agree this sucks? That she's a victim and any danger to society she poses is a major result of trauma from being trafficked, which shouldn't be handled via prison time?

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LightSnake
08/22/24 12:17:49 PM
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It still seems to me that a lot of this runs afoul of prosecutorial discretion as to what was being offered and even the arson is less a calculated crime and just inseparable from the murder of her abuser.

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ThePieReborn
08/22/24 1:09:01 PM
#137:


LightSnake posted...
I would hope we can all just agree this sucks? That she's a victim and any danger to society she poses is a major result of trauma from being trafficked, which shouldn't be handled via prison time?
This should be the long and short of it, but I'd also hazard a guess there may be a mandatory minimum in play. Judge's discretion may have been tied on that end. Notwithstanding the prosecutor's decision, which I'm more than a little mixed on.

If that wasn't the case, fully agree that the punishment doesn't fit the circumstances and this woman's likely mental health needs.

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Monopoman
08/22/24 1:25:27 PM
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Well that and burning down the building is pointless if you are killing the guy logically, it's basically like making sure you destroy every possession someone owns when they are already dead and unable to use them. I guess it hurts his family if he has any a bit, since they likely would have owned the house and been able to use it at most.

Not to mention the danger of that fire spreading in some instances which can hurt other people not involved who just live near this guy.

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dancing_cactuar
08/22/24 1:58:57 PM
#140:


CE: Clowns on vigilantism on a regular basis and thinks it's shit
Also CE:
I will say that prison certainly won't help the trauma of the past though, unfortunately.

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dancing_cactuar
08/22/24 2:04:44 PM
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I see, so tell me what burning the guy's house down after he's dead and taking the car when she most likely had her own transportation considering how Kenosha is a 44 minute drive from Milwaukee contributes to this.

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LightSnake
08/22/24 2:06:04 PM
#143:


dancing_cactuar posted...
I see, so tell me what burning the guy's house down after he's dead and taking the car when she most likely had her own transportation considering how Kenosha is a 44 minute drive from Milwaukee contributes to this.

I'm sorry the traumatized and violated teenager did not act in perfect rationality against the guy who pimped her out I guess.

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dancing_cactuar
08/22/24 2:15:27 PM
#145:


LightSnake posted...
I'm sorry the traumatized and violated teenager did not act in perfect rationality against the guy who pimped her out I guess.
I mean the law is the law, like I later said it sucks that the prison system won't help the trauma but I am 100% sure that those two actions are what granted 11 years as opposed to a much lighter sentence where she would have been let out even quicker based on good behavior most likely.

Oh, and I saw someone pull the fucking race card as to why she's being tried as an adult, she's tried as an adult because you are automatically tried as an adult in Wisconsin when you're 17 or over. She was 17 when she did this. Fuck off with race baiting.

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LightSnake
08/22/24 2:17:48 PM
#146:


"The Law Is The Law" is not a serious statement. Prosecutors and judges have serious discretion and the fact that there was a plea bargain here shows that.

Law might be 'The Law' but there are always asterisks to that and how it's applied.

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dancing_cactuar
08/22/24 2:30:01 PM
#148:


LightSnake posted...
"The Law Is The Law" is not a serious statement. Prosecutors and judges have serious discretion and the fact that there was a plea bargain here shows that.
Fair enough I suppose, the fire and car theft probably helped the deal for the guilty of reckless homicide as opposed to murder in the first degree or something like that, when a prosecutor could point to the text and use that to support an argument for murder in the first degree. In a weird way, perhaps those actions reduced her sentence upon me using the ol' noodle a bit more.

With that said, people need to leave vigilantism for the comics and movies. Getting yourself involved in that shit is rarely a good idea.

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Monopoman
08/22/24 2:33:50 PM
#149:


LightSnake posted...
"The Law Is The Law" is not a serious statement. Prosecutors and judges have serious discretion and the fact that there was a plea bargain here shows that.

Law might be 'The Law' but there are always asterisks to that and how it's applied.

They offer plea bargains to help the legal system not to be nice, very few cases actually go to trial because they approach poor people and tell them. "Well if you fight it out and lose you could get 25 years, but I can get you a plea bargain now for 9."

Plea bargains are not given out of the kindness of the hearts of the prosecutor and judge.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry5jTjBhZpA

Shit in many cases you have poor people admit to crimes they didn't do, because they don't want to lose and turn a 7 year sentence into 20. Not to mention getting a damn good lawyer costs a lot of money and poor people typically can't afford that. If every single person fought to prove their innocence the legal system would collapse and the wait time to get a trial even in a murder case would be like 5+ years.

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LightSnake
08/22/24 2:39:39 PM
#150:


dancing_cactuar posted...
Fair enough I suppose, the fire and car theft probably helped the deal for the guilty of reckless homicide as opposed to murder in the first degree or something like that, when a prosecutor could point to the text and use that to support an argument for murder in the first degree. In a weird way, perhaps those actions reduced her sentence upon me using the ol' noodle a bit more.

With that said, people need to leave vigilantism for the comics and movies. Getting yourself involved in that shit is rarely a good idea.

The major issue is this wasn't just someone hunting down a "bad guy," she was intimately involved and the victim here.

Prosecutors have great discretion on what to file. And there are a great many instances of them choosing to file charges vindictively or unnecessarily as well.

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Umbreon
08/22/24 3:32:14 PM
#151:


I still feel like a lot of this could have been avoided if the law actually did its job.

Didn't this dude have a recorded history of messing around with kids? Why didn't he face legal consequences for that? If he was in jail, he wouldn't have been able to victimize more children.

Say what you will about vigilante justice, but it is typically done when someone feels like the law has failed them. A sex trafficker being free would certainly invoke those feelings in many people, especially the actual victim involved.

If he was rotting in jail, he might still be alive, and the house he lived in might not have burned. But he wasn't in jail despite evidence?

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FunWithAFryPan
08/22/24 3:39:27 PM
#152:


She should at least get the same deal cops get when they murder innocent people.

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ThatGeminiGuy
08/22/24 3:43:59 PM
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Mr_Karate_II
08/22/24 3:45:36 PM
#154:


She shouldn't see any prison time, 6 months of probation and counseling.

The law should have done their job by getting the sick bastard off the street to protect society but no, they did nothing to protect the women he abused.

Her sitting in prison for 11 years accomplishes nothing, she needs serious counseling for what she went through not sitting in prison where she won't get help.

She rightfully believed he would hurt her again and hurt other women.

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Umbreon
08/22/24 3:49:18 PM
#155:


Kizers attorneys allege in court filings that Kenosha police suspected Volar was trafficking children for sex several months before he was killed. The attorneys allege he filmed himself sexually assaulting numerous children. Police arrested Volar in February 2018 and seized evidence of sexual assault and child pornography from his home but later released him and no charges were filed, according to the filings.


https://apnews.com/article/crime-wisconsin-milwaukee-homicide-kenosha-4e7eac86e45b1b0b85a1ed9249dc46b4

So if this is true, then why? If police actually arrested him prior and collected evidence of trafficking, then why was no charges filed? Why was that bastard face no legal repercussions for having cp?

The law failed to do its job that day. This is why people make the decision to take the law into their own hands.

That's not condoning vigilante justice, that's just the motive behind it.

Perhaps he had money or friends in high places, as one user speculated. If so, it goes to show you that even money can't protect one from everything...

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Monopoman
08/22/24 4:39:56 PM
#156:


Mr_Karate_II posted...
She shouldn't see any prison time, 6 months of probation and counseling.

The law should have done their job by getting the sick bastard off the street to protect society but no, they did nothing to protect the women he abused.

Her sitting in prison for 11 years accomplishes nothing, she needs serious counseling for what she went through not sitting in prison where she won't get help.

She rightfully believed he would hurt her again and hurt other women.

Prisons should have better service, there are many that had extremely long sentences that were about to die from problems that likely would have been treatable with proper medical care.

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