Current Events > Biden is 'absolutely' staying in race, campaign chair says

(+) Yeah! (+)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/19/election-2024-biden-trump-campaign-updates/

So far articles are trending towards him staying in, and no sources are repeating that Newsmax shit.

Damn. I guess Trump's second term is happening then.

It's not like the Dems can force him out right? All they can do is promise to crash the ticket and stop fundraising etc.

Doe posted...

It's not like the Dems can force him out right? All they can do is promise to crash the ticket and stop fundraising etc.

they could always actually put someone else up, splitting the vote but still being ok.

If there was ever a time to drop out, it would have been right as Trump walked on stage.

Lokarin posted...

they could always actually put someone else up, splitting the vote but still being ok.

How can the official Dem party put someone else up if Biden has enough delegates to win the nomination per committee rules?

Isn't this America, can't literally ANYONE run? Why does it have to be Team D Vs. Team R?

Lokarin posted...

Isn't this America, can't literally ANYONE run? Why does it have to be Team D Vs. Team R?

Because only 2 parties get votes.

Lokarin posted...

Isn't this America, can't literally ANYONE run? Why does it have to be Team D Vs. Team R?

Anyone can run if they meet the qualifications. But only 1 of 2 parties will win.

How do independents work though, if they can't run if they aren't a Dem or Rep... which would make them not independent

Good decision. He needs to keep running, and make it clear to the voters that he's with him and not with the rich elites. Who are trying to destroy this country and planet by the way with their selfishness.

We need to circle the wagons and rally behind our guy right through the DNC convention.

The US has uniquely high barriers to clear for non-major party candidates to get on the ballot, some of which are detailed in this article
https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democratic-labor-party-ackerman

Antifar posted...

The US has uniquely high barriers to clear for non-major party candidates to get on the ballot, some of which are detailed in this article
https://jacobin.com/2016/11/bernie-sanders-democratic-labor-party-ackerman

that's weird... seems very anti-freedom

https://twitter.com/donnabrazile/status/1814057426158792994
https://twitter.com/carlquintanilla/status/1814309055290134658

Women, POC continue to support Biden. We dont want our votes and voices thrown out.

Lokarin posted...

Isn't this America, can't literally ANYONE run? Why does it have to be Team D Vs. Team R?

Best case scenario: Someone like RFK runs, gets 20% of the vote (1992), wins zero electors and therefore doesn't win.

Worst case scenario: Someone like Bernie runs, actually wins a few states, splits the left wing vote in other states, Trump effectively wins by default.

First past the post voting does not have room for a third party.

reincarnator07 posted...

First past the post voting does not have room for a third party.

Other countries use FPTP and still maintain a larger diversity of parties holding legislative seats. The UK, to give one example.

I call bullshit.

how can so many passionate, well-educated and well-meaning CEsers say hes going to drop out this weekend if the campaign says hes not?

surely these CEsers see the big picture.

On the flip side, in a 2 party system there's no reason NOT to vote since you literally have an "anti-vote" option.

If you don't like Biden and you don't like trump... but, like, you HATE trump - in a 2 party system a vote for Biden is a Trump anti-vote.

Of course, I support the creation of anti-votes in the first place.

reincarnator07 posted...

Best case scenario: Someone like RFK runs, gets 20% of the vote (1992), wins zero electors and therefore doesn't win.

Worst case scenario: Someone like Bernie runs, actually wins a few states, splits the left wing vote in other states, Trump effectively wins by default.

First past the post voting does not have room for a third party.

I love Bernie, but he wouldn't defeat the narrative about the candidates (particularly Biden) being old. Isn't he older than Biden?

BrohammedAli posted...

I call bullshit.

how can so many passionate, well-educated and well-meaning CEsers say hes going to drop out this weekend if the campaign says hes not?

surely these CEsers see the big picture.

Obviously fake news. This cites an actual source and quote by name . Clearly all the totally-not-clickbait articles with sources including 'anonymous top level official' are the real news!

https://twitter.com/notcapnamerica/status/1814332495552459083

Jeffries said it clear as day. Time for the rest of them to do the same.

https://twitter.com/BidensWins/status/1814336764988862475

Democrats have no actual plan if they remove Biden.

This is fantastic news.

We're ridin with Biden, no matter what.

Welp. Let's hope it works out. A loooooooot of things are at stake. Ultimately, it seems like they're betting the farm on the anti-Trump vote coming home despite the polls.

They get this wrong and I'm no longer a Democrat. And will probably be fired by the Trump admin, if not prosecuted.

Antifar posted...

Other countries use FPTP and still maintain a larger diversity of parties holding legislative seats. The UK, to give one example.

Despite that larger variety of parties, the "winner" is always from one of the 2 major parties. I have time for the minor parties here but they have very little power. The one exception could end up being Reform, but the only scenario where they gain relevance would be where they'd take the place of the Tories as the major right wing party.

This is quite the contrast from somewhere like the Netherlands, which has seen a much healthier mix of parties in power.

reincarnator07 posted...

Best case scenario: Someone like RFK runs, gets 20% of the vote (1992), wins zero electors and therefore doesn't win.

You mean Ross Perot, right?

As for OP, it is expected that the official campaign will continue saying that he is running unless he makes a declaration otherwise. That doesn't really indicate what goes on behind closed doors.

I wonder what would happen if, and this is just a hypothetical that occured to me, could be impossible I don't know, but I am curious to hear what you guys think about it, if he announces that he will continue running but, come the DNC, anyone who wants to challenge him can do so and the delegates will be 100% free to choose who they support. At the final day of the convention after every candidate including Biden said their piece the delegates vote for the winner and that is the nominee.

Against, I don't know if that is doable, just throwing an idea out.

Ross Perot Vs. Ralph Nader, letsgo

GrandConjuraton posted...

I love Bernie, but he wouldn't defeat the narrative about the candidates (particularly Biden) being old. Isn't he older than Biden?

Oh I'm just using him as an example of a politician potentially popular enough to stand a chance at winning some electors. I think Bernie has had his chances at this point unfortunately.

FFTHEWINNER posted...

You mean Ross Perot, right?

Yes, but that was over 30 years ago. I was trying to frame it for the current times, but I should have been more clear. RFK is currently polling around 9% and I'll be stunned if he gets anywhere near that in November.

As for OP, it is expected that the official campaign will continue saying that he is running unless he makes a declaration otherwise. That doesn't really indicate what goes on behind closed doors.

I wonder what would happen if, and this is just a hypothetical that occured to me, could be impossible I don't know, but I am curious to hear what you guys think about it, if he announces that he will continue running but, come the DNC, anyone who wants to challenge him can do so and the delegates will be 100% free to choose who they support. At the final day of the convention after every candidate including Biden said their piece the delegates vote for the winner and that is the nominee.

Against, I don't know if that is doable, just throwing an idea out.

I think in that scenario if I was a Republican, I'd just shout out how disorganised and divided the Democrats are and how that means they have no chance of managing the country through modern times, compared to the GOP that's been almost single mindedly united behind Trump for the last decade. It's bullshit ofc, but we're already not running on truth and facts.

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1814335663824679343

Ouch!

Yeah, Biden either needs to stay in the race, or die in office and give the reins to Harris. A Democrat that wasnt voted in has no chance of winning.

The only other alternative is some kind of Primary before November, but I dont know if thats actually legally possible.

So yeah, Biden is the nominee. Shut up CNN.

reincarnator07 posted...

Yes, but that was over 30 years ago. I was trying to frame it for the current times, but I should have been more clear. RFK is currently polling around 9% and I'll be stunned if he gets anywhere near that in November.

I think in that scenario if I was a Republican, I'd just shout out how disorganised and divided the Democrats are and how that means they have no chance of managing the country through modern times, compared to the GOP that's been almost single mindedly united behind Trump for the last decade. It's bullshit ofc, but we're already not running on truth and facts.

Oh, I see what you mean now.

The Republicans will attack any solution at this point, so I don't think that part matters that much as it is a constant. I am curious how that would go with the Democrats though. What would people think about it, will they like it, etc.

Also, when I said "continue running" I mean with the current ticket that people had voted for in the primary, so Harris would still be biden's vice president in this scenario. Thought to clarify that.

UltimateWing posted...

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1814335663824679343

Ouch!

Ouch a double burn.

I am glad this seems to be removing the taboo about criticizing Obama. For all of his great personal qualities, he fucking sucked and sucks at politics and most of his suggestions are bad and right wing.

LeoRavus posted...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2024/07/19/election-2024-biden-trump-campaign-updates/

So far articles are trending towards him staying in, and no sources are repeating that Newsmax shit.

Are you saying Newsmax lied!?!?!

LearntoRead posted...

Yeah, Biden either needs to stay in the race, or die in office and give the reins to Harris. A Democrat that wasnt voted in has no chance of winning.

The only other alternative is some kind of Primary before November, but I dont know if thats actually legally possible.

So yeah, Biden is the nominee. Shut up CNN.

There wouldn't be another primary. If Biden drops out of the race then the delegates at the Democratic convention next month will vote on a new nominee.

An easy solution to this is any House republican calling for him to step down needs to have all DNC funding revoked from their reelection campaign. Random assholes in Texas, California, or other places, let them go at it alone.

ClayGuida posted...

An easy solution to this is any House republican calling for him to step down needs to have all DNC funding revoked from their reelection campaign. Random assholes in Texas, California, or other places, let them go at it alone.

So you want to lose the House as well as the presidency? Thats a bold strategy.

legendary_zell posted...

Welp. Let's hope it works out. A loooooooot of things are at stake. Ultimately, it seems like they're betting the farm on the anti-Trump vote coming home despite the polls.

They get this wrong and I'm no longer a Democrat. And will probably be fired by the Trump admin, if not prosecuted.

Is there even a right answer here? You've got Biden who looks bad now, Harris who polls slightly better at the moment but who knows what she'd be like as a candidate, or someone else that no one has even brought forward yet so we don't know what to expect.

theAteam posted...

Is there even a right answer here? You've got Biden who looks bad now, Harris who polls slightly better at the moment but who knows what she'd be like as a candidate, or someone else that no one has even brought forward yet so we don't know what to expect.

No, there's no obvious right answer now. The right answer was for Biden to only do one term, then step down and have an open primary to find the best person to defeat Trump. That ship has sailed. What's left now is all bad options and the outcomes range from a narrow win for Biden to a landslide win for Trump and the end of democracy.

MrMolinaro posted...

So you want to lose the House as well as the presidency? Thats a bold strategy.

Sure. This is something Republicans have done for decades. Obviously working out for them.

legendary_zell posted...

No, there's no obvious right answer now. The right answer was for Biden to only do one term, then step down and have an open primary to find the best person to defeat Trump. That ship has sailed. What's left now is all bad options and the outcomes range from a narrow win for Biden to a landslide win for Trump and the end of democracy.

The right answer was to never give up the incumbency. Ever. The right answer was to not galvanize around Biden then backstab him a term later.

BlackOmnimon posted...

Damn. I guess Trump's second term is happening then.

You prioritize polls and debate performance way too much.

Good. Biden should stay the course as leader.

FFTHEWINNER posted...

The Republicans will attack any solution at this point, so I don't think that part matters that much as it is a constant. I am curious how that would go with the Democrats though. What would people think about it, will they like it, etc.

They would, but I think that would actually land a bit with swing voters. It's ammo that quite frankly shouldn't be given to the GOP. Of course, what we really need is for the media to actually start treating both candidates equally. Biden certainly has his faults, but I can't think of any that Trump doesn't also share.