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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 4:18:06 PM #1: |
Full disclosure. I am an adult autistic atheist living with my parents in the South. They know that I dont believe in god, and I presume are terrified that they wont see me in heaven when I die.
The other night, I had a breakdown relating to my brother and sister-in-law keeping their daughters away from my mother. This eventually led to me admitting that I wasnt planning on living with my brother after my parents die. I have a half brother who leans towards the left that they are on bad terms with. This led to me bringing up my worries that America is turning into a Christo-fascist state, and my lack of faith in god. To say that they took it badly is an understatement. They still believe that there are enough checks and balances in place to keep the Republican Party from taking away any non-Christians rights.I have tried to explain to them some of the things that are in Project 2025, and they brushed it off as me reading conspiracy theories on the internet. Then, today, when I was in therapy, I had to admit all of this to my therapist, who is an evangelical. Before my dad left the room, I asked him if he knows what Project 2025 is. He said yes, and I told him that it was possible for all those things to happen due to the recent SCOTUS decisions. He once again said that the country wouldnt let it happen, but he doesnt realize that this is how the Weimar Republic fell to the Nazis. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DrizztLink 07/02/24 4:25:39 PM #3: |
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I don't want to speak for TC but I imagine they aren't spoiled for choice between the location and their family. TC, have you looked at AANE (Association for Autism and Neurodivergence)? https://aane.org/ Their actual support groups have money attached but they have community connection-based groups that are free. It's not a whole lot but it's an avenue to discuss this with both practitioners and other people with autism. --- He/Him http://guidesmedia.ign.com/guides/9846/images/slowpoke.gif https://i.imgur.com/M8h2ATe.png https://i.imgur.com/6ezFwG1.png ... Copied to Clipboard!
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sabin017 07/02/24 4:26:44 PM #4: |
Unless Michael Moore makes a film about it then nobody's gonna care.
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 4:28:38 PM #5: |
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 4:29:48 PM #6: |
DrizztLink posted...
I don't want to speak for TC but I imagine they aren't spoiled for choice between the location and their family. Ill look into AANE. Thank you. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 4:42:50 PM #8: |
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Sayoria 07/02/24 4:49:39 PM #10: |
They believe in God, but don't believe in something that has historically happened to other countries with better checks and balances than we have.
I'm sure they have an explanation as to 'how' America would prevent this from happening too. Surely. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 4:51:31 PM #11: |
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Its becoming far more obvious that I need to be independent of my family. I wish I was before they moved out of New Jersey. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LonelyStoner 07/02/24 4:54:37 PM #12: |
You should never, ever bring an outsider to your therapy sessions to speak for you.
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Kradek 07/02/24 4:54:58 PM #13: |
It's sad how flippantly people treat project 2025 because we haven't seen something like it in our lifetimes or recent history.
No shit, they've been working at this for decades, same with ending federally protected abortion rights. The other day a coworker said he "thought it was funny". I wish you well, TC, and that your parents are able to become more reasonable. Your fears aren't unjustified and more people should be concerned and raising the alarms. Though it was to no avail, I applaud you for trying to talk reason into your parents on the subject. That was a brave thing you did as talking about political issues you know won't be well-received with family members takes courage. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 07/02/24 4:55:50 PM #14: |
I mean the SCROTUS decision all but affirms it.
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Hyena_Of_Ice 07/02/24 5:02:55 PM #15: |
Is this something you can work on? This is making it worse for you. It's a problem that some people with autism spectrum disorders have. When I was younger, I had some problems with self-awareness. Also, I didn't have my medications memorized while my mom did. So in psych sessions, I would need my mom's input because she noticed things that I was unaware of, such as mood swing patterns. 3. I didnt know he was one when I first started seeing him. My parents are too fucking stubborn to change therapists. Does your psych's beliefs affect his professionalism/conduct? Because if they do, that is not a good thing and you need to file a complaint. Unless you're listed as a dependent for your dad and he has some degree of authority over your decisions, at bare minimum you can ask for a different therapist, assuming this guy isn't private practice. You should never, ever bring an outsider to your therapy sessions to speak for you. That's not necessarily true, esp. if said outsider is someone who can support or look after you. However, TC's dad definitely does not qualify to be such a person, and it doesn't sound like TC should be bringing him or other family members to the sessions. Then, today, when I was in therapy, I had to admit all of this to my therapist, who is an evangelical. Before my dad left the room, I asked him if he knows what Project 2025 is. He said yes, and I told him that it was possible for all those things to happen due to the recent SCOTUS decisions. He once again said that the country wouldnt let it happen, but he doesnt realize that this is how the Weimar Republic fell to the Nazis. It was a little bit more than that. The Weimar Republic was teetering into failed state territory. This condition was a major factor in what led up to the rise of the Nazis and Hitler's autocracy. One of the symptoms of a failed state is severe social unrest and government impotence at enforcing law and keeping the peace. Prior to the 1934 (or was it 32?) election, there were times when you had free-for-alls between Brownshirts and Commies in the streets. That's in addition to the labor disputes that tore through the west in the 20's and early 30's (which had some connections to antigovernment commie revolutionaries) which resulted in a lot of social unrest. The threat of a failed state led to an additional sense of urgency that "required" a strongman to fix. I'm not saying that it wouldn't happen here, but I foresee it as being a combination of strongman 2025 stuff and a Ben Gvir-like thing where the Trump admin orders military/LEOs not to enforce certain laws in addition to encouraging police brutality against political enemies. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 5:10:59 PM #16: |
Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
It's a problem that some people with autism spectrum disorders have. When I was younger, I had some problems with self-awareness. Also, I didn't have my medications memorized while my mom did. So in psych sessions, I would need my mom's input because she noticed things that I was unaware of, such as mood swing patterns. Thats exactly why I usually bring my dad in. I have a tendency to forget some details, or things that I thought werent wrong. Does your psych's beliefs affect his professionalism/conduct? Because if they do, that is not a good thing and you need to file a complaint. Unless you're listed as a dependent for your dad and he has some degree of authority over your decisions, at bare minimum you can ask for a different therapist, assuming this guy isn't private practice. While he isnt shy about using his faith for anecdotes, he is more professional than someone like a faith-based counselor. I do sometimes take what he says with a grain of salt. That's not necessarily true, esp. if said outsider is someone who can support or look after you. However, TC's dad definitely does not qualify to be such a person, and it doesn't sound like TC should be bringing him or other family members to the sessions. My parents are my codependents. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Hyena_Of_Ice 07/02/24 5:14:15 PM #17: |
While he isnt shy about using his faith for anecdotes, he is more professional than someone like a faith-based counselor. I do sometimes take what he says with a grain of salt. Does his voicing of his faith make you uncomfortable? If it has, have you expressed this to him? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkmaian23 07/02/24 5:17:30 PM #18: |
ZeroX2010 posted...
Its becoming far more obvious that I need to be independent of my family.It is very important for disabled individuals to be as independent as possible. I'm disabled myself and have known other folks who are disabled. Being a disabled adult--especially if you have always been disabled--can be a fair bit different than able-bodied and able-minded folks think it would be. The relationship between a disabled person and their family can also look different than the norm. I've known enough folks in different situations to feel comfortable saying that's true as a general norm, and it is more true if you have always been disabled. Now, having said that, don't bring ever bring another person into your individual therapy session (it'd be different if you were doing group or family therapy or something like that). You need to learn, to the best of your ability, how to explain things yourself. Your therapist works for you with the goal of helping you, and they are experts in mental health. Let what you say be enough and work from there. Is your therapist working for you? If you don't think they are, find another one yourself. I don't have autism, and I certainly don't understand yours specifically, so if you need help doing that (or maybe just have never done it), reach out for some help. Disability services aren't how they should be in the US, but there should be people who can help who aren't your family. For example, you could ask your primary care doctor or case worker if you have one for help (and again, you should be the only one in the room unless you need an advocate and have one you are sure you can trust). You've presumably known your family your whole life. Even if you struggle emotionally and socially, you know what they are like, no matter how much you wish they were different. Try not to share things you know will upset them unless you absolutely have to. Work to be good to yourself, work towards being more independent in whatever ways you can, work towards the best stable future for yourself that you can imagine, and also work towards fostering positive relationships with your family so that life move smoothly and equitably for everyone involved. As a disabled man who has known many other disabled folks, I think this is the best way a person can live. --- Cuteness is justice! It's the law. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 5:33:53 PM #19: |
Hyena_Of_Ice posted...
Does his voicing of his faith make you uncomfortable? If it has, have you expressed this to him? I dont have a problem with it. If anything, it helps give me insight into how Christians think. I can tell the difference between whats real and whats bullshit. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zelduh 07/02/24 5:50:08 PM #20: |
Go no-contact with your abusive family, it's the only way to break free ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Heavy_D_Forever 07/02/24 5:59:11 PM #21: |
Zelduh posted...
Go no-contact with your abusive family, it's the only way to break freeIt sounds like the TC depends on their family for literally everything. --- E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES ... Copied to Clipboard!
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BDSMKane 07/02/24 6:35:17 PM #22: |
Topic title: same. My parents were raised Christian, but neither is that serious about it. Project 2025 is terrifying, and the fact its from the Heritage Foundation does give it credibility as a threat, which is what Ive told them.
However, its full implementation would literally be a worst case scenario. While the Heritage Foundation does frequently provide a roadmap for Conservative politicians, not every Conservative supports everything they say. Beyond that, no one has ever followed one of their complete plans (though admittedly Trump followed more than any other PotUS Im aware of in 2017). So some of it happening if he wins might be genuinely within the realm of reason, but all of it is incredibly unlikely. Additionally, while the SCotUS has a Conservative majority, not every court is. In an odd turnaround, as much of Project 2025 deals with how the PotUS handles government agencies, thanks to the Chevron decision the lower courts have more power to oppose their interpretation of the law. That decision essentially limits executive power over government agencies. Since the SCotUS has been overwhelmed for decades, Liberal courts could rule against decisions the same way Conservative courts have been (like title IX), and keep executive power in perpetual limbo. So thats kind of the full range of best case to worst case, in my opinion. I would expect same change to occur, but not nearly as much as proposed. Even with the possibility of the Republican Party taking Congress, there has been enough infighting amongst them that I wouldnt expect their voting to be lockstep. Going by recent history, its more likely for votes against bills to be unanimous among the opposition party, not votes for. But the Arab League could declare war on Israel tomorrow, and China declare war on Taiwan and Japan, and Russia declare war on Belarus, Latvia, and Estonia, and nukes could be launching worldwide by October. You cant predict the future, and the reality is the world has kind of been in a Schrondingers box kind of scenario ever since nuclear arsenals became widespread. Were perpetually minutes away from the beginning of the end of the world. Theres no reason to stress over it, just do what you can to try and ensure the best possible outcome. Maybe prepare for the worst if you can. --- No matter our origin, we are all one family, we all share one planet, and we all need to feel loved and accepted. We are more alike than different. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sayoria 07/02/24 6:50:54 PM #23: |
Kradek posted...
The other day a coworker said he "thought it was funny". Let me guess. Straight white guy? --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 07/02/24 7:10:32 PM #24: |
Sayoria posted...
Let me guess. Straight white guy? Actually no, though in the last political conversation I plan to have with him he was trolling me at the end asking what "whiteness" is and "am I white?". He's Mexican with very noticeable native facial features and his skin tone is yellowish. He is straight. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sayoria 07/02/24 7:17:38 PM #25: |
Kradek posted...
Actually no, though in the last political conversation I plan to have with him he was trolling me at the end asking what "whiteness" is and "am I white?". He's Mexican with very noticeable native facial features and his skin tone is yellowish. He is straight. Ah, a Leopards-Eating-Face type. --- Japanese Crack: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5pzggr ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 07/02/24 7:52:51 PM #26: |
Sayoria posted...
Ah, a Leopards-Eating-Face type. I guess you could say that. He's definitely not going to be safe from the purge, especially since he is a Mexican native and "bought his U.S. citizenship", as he put it. Shame too because he's a really intelligent person with passions like poetry and theater that I respect, but when it comes to politics and him thinking he understands U.S. law/the Cons...oof. In our first convo he had no issue with Trump taking the documents to MAL because "that's his right as President", even though the issue was him not returning them when asked to as a civilian and saw no reason to think he'd do anything improper with them, and also said that "unlike Biden", Trump hasn't actually been charged with any crimes because at the end a judge says "you've been charged and convicted", and erroneously believes that without the conviction you're apparently not charged with any crimes, even though Trump being out on bail objectively proves he's been charged with crimes (this was before his conviction, the night of his conviction was actually when we had the most recent convo). I was hoping it was mostly just naivete on his part, however he's on track to have the rudest of awakenings. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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metralo 07/02/24 7:57:25 PM #27: |
ZeroX2010 posted...
. They still believe that there are enough checks and balances in place to keep the Republican Party from taking away any non-Christians rights. I'm sorry, but they are lying to you, full stop. --- https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1298321979/image.jpg bustin makes me feel good ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bat178 07/02/24 8:04:14 PM #28: |
Mine thinks there would be a revolution if things got that bad.
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ClayGuida 07/02/24 8:28:29 PM #29: |
Kradek posted...
The other day a coworker said he "thought it was funny".Should just end the conversation with, I'm glad you think people suffering is funny, but good for you bud. Then just never initiate conversation again. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Kradek 07/02/24 9:10:30 PM #30: |
ClayGuida posted...
Should just end the conversation with, I'm glad you think people suffering is funny, but good for you bud. Then just never initiate conversation again. I mostly did. After he said that I directly told him that I don't see a point in continuing this conversation if you'd find something like that funny, and though I kinda did because he kept going, he entered MAGA troll territory and though responding, I was no longer treating him with legitimacy. --- My metal band, Ivory King, has 2 songs out now - allmylinks.com/ivorykingtx (all of our links there so you can choose which one you'd prefer to use) ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ZeroX2010 07/02/24 9:31:43 PM #31: |
metralo posted...
I'm sorry, but they are lying to you, full stop. They are just nave, although I think my dad is holding out on a false hope. --- NNID: ZeroXJerry ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 07/02/24 9:35:13 PM #32: |
I've told my republican dad about Project 2025. He thinks it's made up. But he also won't even bother to look it up. I even told him they literally have their own website. He doesn't care ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Humble_Novice 07/02/24 9:35:46 PM #33: |
Zikten posted... I've told my republican dad about Project 2025. He thinks it's made up. But he also won't even bother to look it up. I even told him they literally have their own website. He doesn't careSorry, but it looks like he doesn't care about you then. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Toonstrack 07/02/24 10:07:22 PM #34: |
BDSMKane posted...
Topic title: same. My parents were raised Christian, but neither is that serious about it. Project 2025 is terrifying, and the fact its from the Heritage Foundation does give it credibility as a threat, which is what Ive told them. This is the best post in the thread. --- The succotash is suffering. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ClayGuida 07/02/24 10:13:25 PM #35: |
Zikten posted...
I've told my republican dad about Project 2025. He thinks it's made up. But he also won't even bother to look it up. I even told him they literally have their own website. He doesn't careShould just play him the MSNBC interview. It's not exactly secret. It's not a conspiracy theory. They're literally saying this is what they want to do and telling people as such. People denying that kind of shit shows me how worthless this countries populace truly is. --- lolAmerica ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Unknown5uspect 07/02/24 10:16:25 PM #36: |
ClayGuida posted...
Should just play him the MSNBC interview.This is what pisses me off so fucking much about it. Everyone is acting like it's not going to happen or if it does that it'll be stopped magically somehow and it's nothing to worry about. Or that it's just fake news and conspiracy theory. BUT THEY'RE FUCKING SAYING THIS SHIT OUT LOUD! They have a website! They've talked about implementation on live fucking TV! They're straight up telling us to our faces what they're going to do AND how they're going to do it! And what's the response? Some flippant bullshit about how it won't happen or isn't real. --- How can the moon landing be real if the moon isn't real? ... Copied to Clipboard!
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DDP886 07/05/24 5:46:25 PM #37: |
Scary times we live in and I personally think that its going to get worse
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