Current Events > Greg Abbott's abortion ban resulted in a 13% increase in infant, newborn deaths.

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darkace77450
06/24/24 1:47:55 PM
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https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/texas-abortion-ban-linked-rise-infant-newborn-deaths-rcna158375

Lawmakers passed Texas Senate Bill 8, or SB8, in September 2021. The state law banned abortions as soon as a fetal heartbeat is detected, which can be as early as five weeks. This effectively banned abortion in the state, which used to allow abortion up to 22 weeks of pregnancy.

The law did not include exemptions for congenital anomalies, including conditions that will cause a newborn to die soon after birth.

The new study compared infant death rates in Texas from 2018 to 2022 to those of 28 other states. Infant deaths in Texas rose by nearly 13% the year after SB8 was passed, from 1,985 in 2021 to 2,240 in 2022. During that same period, infant deaths rose by about 2% nationwide. Babies born with congenital anomalies also increased in Texas, by nearly 23%, but decreased by about 3% nationwide.

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RchHomieQuanChi
06/24/24 1:48:48 PM
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It was never about "protecting children".

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HighSeraph
06/24/24 1:50:37 PM
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They'll probably spin it like "Well the newborn deaths were even higher when they killed all those babies!"

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06/24/24 1:54:25 PM
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ReiRei89
06/24/24 3:26:33 PM
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Cruelty is the point of this. Most pro lifers are not pro life, they're pro control of women and want to hurt them for having sex.

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Snip-N-Snails
06/26/24 8:01:54 PM
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Fuck abbott

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Heineken14
06/28/24 12:56:51 PM
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Well you see, that was all just part of god's plan!

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Cemith
06/28/24 12:59:28 PM
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Conservatives get rock hard swimming in the blood of women and infants.

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creativerealms
06/28/24 1:00:01 PM
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They can't save the eggs without cracking a few infants.

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CADE_FOSTER
06/28/24 1:04:46 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It was never about "protecting children".

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Euripides
06/28/24 1:05:54 PM
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And I have a Facebook friend of a friend who claims that none of Trump's policies or decisions have cost as many lives as Biden's open border

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ClayGuida
06/28/24 1:07:03 PM
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Euripides posted...
And I have a Facebook friend of a friend who claims that none of Trump's policies or decisions have cost as many lives as Biden's open border
What open border

That's the only response.

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Euripides
06/28/24 1:07:32 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
What open border

That's the only response.

This is someone who also thinks Jan 6 rioters should be pardoned. This person is not living in reality

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ClayGuida
06/28/24 1:08:18 PM
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Euripides posted...
This is someone who also thinks Jan 6 rioters should be pardoned. This person is not living in reality
Call them out on their nonsense. They'll either shut up or move on. Either way it's no longer a bother to you.

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Euripides
06/28/24 1:09:47 PM
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ClayGuida posted...
Call them out on their nonsense. They'll either shut up or move on. Either way it's no longer a bother to you.

My latest response was simply "So you want a convicted felon and rapist to be president. Just say it. This is what you want. A convicted felon and rapist to be president."


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ClayGuida
06/28/24 1:11:27 PM
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I feel like sealioning is the best way to shut them up, because once they have to cite their sources, they lose all ability to defend their nonsense.

Making someone say they heard it on Facebook is basically like a 'oh, lmfao' moment and just embarrasses them.

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el_cheato
06/28/24 1:17:01 PM
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It was never about saving kids or preserving life or anything, it was always only about banning abortion. Anything that comes as a result of banning abortion is good and morally just, because it comes as a result of banning abortion. Conservatives don't think in terms of how society should function or what the consequences of their policies will be, they think in terms of "I will enact these policies no matter what".

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UnholyMudcrab
06/28/24 1:26:03 PM
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The GOP is a death cult, so they see this as a positive

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Baha05
06/28/24 1:33:41 PM
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ReiRei89 posted...
Cruelty is the point of this. Most pro lifers are not pro life, they're pro control of women and want to hurt them for having sex.
Hell you cant even argue its just about those wanting sex but lets not forget the punishment for those not willing to have sex but are raped.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
06/28/24 8:08:14 PM
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The anti-aborts argue that it's murder to kill a dying person before they die naturally, and that most of those cases involve "babies" (they're talking about the fetal stage in this instance) with severe deformities/etc., and aborting them is pure ableism bla bla Godwin. Also remember, these same people are vehemently opposed even to assisted suicide (which... to be fair, you probably can't compare abortion to since the fetus isn't consentually killing itself via its own power, nor does it possess the cognitive ability to consent/sign a document. So yeah, this instance would be more comparable to euthanasia, but the autonomy of the mother and her body must be taken into consideration. Not to derail the topic, but FYI I oppose euthanasia because true consent is impossible to guarantee, and it NOT consensual in the case of minors, the insane, and the cognitively impaired. I also consider euthanasia completely different from "pulling the plug," and I also strongly support doctor-assisted suicide, so long as it adheres to the traditional rules *e.g. mentally ill and those without terminal illness are not eligible.*)

Baha05 posted...
Hell you cant even argue its just about those wanting sex but lets not forget the punishment for those not willing to have sex but are raped.

They don't view it that way. They view abortion as "punishing the 'baby' with the death penalty" I've seen some argue that aborting fetuses conceived of rape should be banned, and the rapist should receive the death penalty instead.

Of course, it's worth pointing out that even the vast majority of pro-lifers don't TRULY view the fetus as a full-on human. If they were actually consistent in their views, then they would advocate life in prison for abortionists, and charge the mothers as "hit men" and either give them 20 to life or rule them not guilty by reason of insanity (though some of these people are so deranged and spiteful that they want to eliminate insanity pleas and replace them with "guilty DUE to insanity," then give them the same punishment, comparing mentally insane or cognitively impaired violent criminals to "rabid dogs" that "have to be put down") The morally consistent view is even more disgusting than the selective one, though.
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CADE_FOSTER
06/28/24 8:14:32 PM
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UnholyMudcrab posted...
The GOP is a death cult, so they see this as a positive

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EPR-radar
06/28/24 8:15:55 PM
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Feature, not a bug, for these twisted GOP freaks.

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EPR-radar
06/28/24 8:24:37 PM
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Getting women killed like this is the whole point. Kiddy-diddling hard-right megachurch pastors always need fresh horror stories for their disgusting "wages of sin" sermons.

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Euripides
06/28/24 8:26:32 PM
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Hyena_Of_Ice posted...


Of course, it's worth pointing out that even the vast majority of pro-lifers don't TRULY view the fetus as a full-on human. If they were actually consistent in their views, then they would advocate life in prison for abortionists, and charge the mothers as "hit men" and either give them 20 to life

Or, if someone murders a pregnant woman, charge them with double homicide


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TheOtherMike
06/28/24 8:33:07 PM
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The Republican Party is literally a terrorist organization.

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Hyena_Of_Ice
06/29/24 6:26:06 AM
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Euripides posted...
Or, if someone murders a pregnant woman, charge them with double homicide

That's something they actually do want.
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evilpresident
06/29/24 6:42:37 AM
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It's a feature, not a bug

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Funkydog
06/29/24 6:44:19 AM
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Dead children and women was the entire point.

Working as intended.

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Hejiru
06/29/24 6:56:41 AM
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Congratulations, pro-life party! You did it!

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Ozovzk
06/29/24 7:06:36 AM
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USA ranks incredibly poorly in infant and maternal mortality rates. Not to mention life expectancy on the decline. The fact that all of this is not even discussed in politics at all is a testament to how unfocused, uninterested, and frankly how sick our society is.
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06/29/24 10:04:03 AM
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CADE_FOSTER
06/29/24 10:47:03 AM
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dems should be screaming this at all debates rallies and on tv but they never do
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OTobs
06/29/24 11:00:25 AM
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You guys are all suckers if you think correlation = causation.

Do you know what else happened between 2018 and 2022? A little thing called COVID 19. A lot of people died, including infants.
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Tyranthraxus
06/29/24 11:05:44 AM
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OTobs posted...
You guys are all suckers if you think correlation = causation.

Do you know what else happened between 2018 and 2022? A little thing called COVID 19. A lot of people died, including infants.
Please tell us more

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DrizztLink
06/29/24 11:56:22 AM
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OTobs posted...
You guys are all suckers if you think correlation = causation.

Do you know what else happened between 2018 and 2022? A little thing called COVID 19. A lot of people died, including infants.

darkace77450 posted...
Infant deaths in Texas rose by nearly 13% the year after SB8 was passed, from 1,985 in 2021 to 2,240 in 2022. During that same period, infant deaths rose by about 2% nationwide.
Anything else stupid to say?

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ClayGuida
06/29/24 11:57:21 AM
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Was this brought up in the debate? Because it should have been brought up in the debate.

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bfslick50
06/29/24 12:05:49 PM
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HighSeraph posted...
They'll probably spin it like "Well the newborn deaths were even higher when they killed all those babies!"

I mean thats what it is. People arent allowed to have an abortion after they learn the pregnancy is nonviable. Thats got to be really rough on the mother, to still be pregnant with a baby you know isnt going to make it.

The statistic you really want which will be much harder to get, are there pregnancies where the doctor thought the baby was nonviable but they were wrong and the child lived.

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Cemith
06/29/24 12:09:01 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Anything else stupid to say?

And he was never heard from again.

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CADE_FOSTER
06/29/24 12:12:57 PM
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chuds do the hit and runs really stupid tbh
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GrandConjuraton
06/29/24 12:16:59 PM
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...
It was never about "protecting children".


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HBKick18
07/01/24 1:08:40 AM
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abbott would probably laugh if someone quoted this statistic to him

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