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cjsdowg
05/24/24 5:07:43 PM
#51:


We have Republicans that would believe Trump if he said his cup was red. He can later in the same conversation say his cup is blue. While holding that red cup in his hand. And his supporters would believe it. It is pretty hard to be that . Unless you have Superstar candidate. And dems don't even know who to brag about the good stuff that they do. Are they do infrastructure that federal government never gets credit for. So he just might .

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DrizztLink
05/24/24 5:18:48 PM
#52:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

That's what he wants.

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LightningThief
05/24/24 5:23:20 PM
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@SauI_Goodman
It's not throwing it away if everyone does it.
It is throwing it away if statistically what you are talking about will not happen. The probability of what you are talking about is not even close to being a 50/50 shot, let alone a realistic shot at all.

So yes, you are throwing it away, and unwillingly helping Trump if you claim to lean left but vote 3rd party or not vote at all.
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dummy420
05/24/24 5:27:02 PM
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If he gets back in absolutely. Honestly I'm not sure how well we survived the first term.

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Smashingpmkns
05/24/24 5:39:59 PM
#55:


Idk I feel like there has to be a better strategy to combat absolute fascism than democrats needing to win every election. It's straight up unfeasibile. Maybe the FBI should have done the thing.

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Diceheist
05/24/24 5:43:26 PM
#56:


No, even if he wins the election.

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HeeathLivesOn
05/24/24 5:50:02 PM
#57:


No. Extra variables to consider:
1) Trump's accelerating dementia (frontal-temporal dementia). While this may have no effect on Republican voters, it'll likely sway more independent voters (largest bloc) away from him.
2) Isreal-Hamas conflict. AIPAC is the puppetmaster of the Democratic party these days and is the one driving the Biden administration to outright lie about genocide and get Congressman to pass bullshit pro-(Netanyahu)-Israel bills/resolutions, but the media will never give them the attention they deserve. Expect efforts by others (like Egypt again) to keep this conflict going for as long as they can keep it to further drive a wedge in Democrat voters.
3) Rise in political violence and intimidation. Just look at the attempts to intimidate the Trump jurors into not going against Trump and the flyers being past out in Texas to intimidate Republican voters to keep them from leaving the party. Not to mention further increases in voter suppression laws (notably Texas again).

There's probably tons more, but these ones need more attention imo. I think all things considered, Trump won't win. I just hope the "superstructure" Biden admin is building to prevent more election interference / post-election coup attempts will hold up.

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PeteyParker
05/24/24 5:58:05 PM
#58:


SauI_Goodman posted...
Guys, we don't need to vote either one of these jackasses in. There are other parties available.

"Guys, it could happen! The leprechaun riding on the unicorn I just saw said it's entirely possible!"

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DrizztLink
05/24/24 6:18:31 PM
#59:


PeteyParker posted...
"Guys, it could happen! The leprechaun riding on the unicorn I just saw said it's entirely possible!"
He doesn't care about third party candidates, he's a Trumper.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 6:34:40 PM
#60:


DrizztLink posted...
He doesn't care about third party candidates, he's a Trumper.
It's telling that that only thing Republicans can do online to help their Orange God win is ratfuck the opposition.

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ROB45
05/24/24 6:42:25 PM
#61:


Obviously the current president for the other party isn't doing a very good job if you guys think this is a serious problem. Just saying, maybe vote for someone outside these two garbage parties for a change?
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EPR-radar
05/24/24 6:43:13 PM
#62:


ROB45 posted...
Obviously the current president for the other party isn't doing a very good job if you guys think this is a serious problem. Just saying, maybe vote for someone outside these two garbage parties for a change?

It's telling that that only thing Republicans can do online to help their Orange God win is ratfuck the opposition.

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ROB45
05/24/24 6:44:32 PM
#63:


EPR-radar posted...
It's telling that that only thing Republicans can do online to help their Orange God win is ratfuck the opposition.
Does it really matter who wins if the state of your country is fucked either way?
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DrizztLink
05/24/24 6:45:26 PM
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ROB45 posted...
Does it really matter who wins if the state of your country is fucked either way?
Yes, because one is a disappointment and the other is an actual Nazi.

Thanks for playing, you're very bad at it.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 6:49:14 PM
#66:


[LFAQs-redacted-quote]

And it's not a close call. Biden is often disappointing, but Trump is a Nazi and the 3rd party candidates are circus acts.

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Intro2Logic
05/24/24 6:49:22 PM
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ROB45 posted...
Obviously the current president for the other party isn't doing a very good job if you guys think this is a serious problem
I think there are a couple flaws in this premise:
1. It assumes that Americans vote exclusively based on how good a job an elected official is doing, rather than on factors like party identity, some bullshit they saw on TV last week, whether gas prices are annoying, etc.
2. It ignores the possibility of Trump taking power by less than democratic means. Setting aside the imbalances in the EC, there are real concerns that GOP officials would follow through on a stop-the-steal type plan if given the chance in 2024.

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ROB45
05/24/24 6:50:22 PM
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DrizztLink posted...
Yes, because one is a disappointment and the other is an actual Nazi.

Thanks for playing, you're very bad at it.
So one of them is all about that German supremacy? Huh, that's a new one.
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trappedunderice
05/24/24 6:52:16 PM
#69:


I thought the people on this board loved joe biden what the hell happened man
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Intro2Logic
05/24/24 6:53:13 PM
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trappedunderice posted...
I thought the people on this board loved joe biden what the hell happened man
Why did you think that?

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Cemith
05/24/24 6:54:14 PM
#71:


ROB45 posted...
So one of them is all about that German supremacy? Huh, that's a new one.

...Are you serious?

Like I'm genuinely asking if you, up to this point, have not seen parallels between Trump and Nazism.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 6:57:00 PM
#72:


Cemith posted...
...Are you serious?

Like I'm genuinely asking if you, up to this point, have not seen parallels between Trump and Nazism.
You're wasting your time. Anyone posting drivel like this online with a '45' in their user name is almost certainly a Trump supporter.

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ROB45
05/24/24 6:58:26 PM
#73:


Cemith posted...
...Are you serious?

Like I'm genuinely asking if you, up to this point, have not seen parallels between Trump and Nazism.
I mean, I guess he might be of German decent, so maybe? I personally haven't seen any of that whole aryan master race thing from him, but maybe I am just missing something.
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ROB45
05/24/24 6:59:28 PM
#74:


EPR-radar posted...
You're wasting your time. Anyone posting drivel like this online with a '45' in their user name is almost certainly a Trump supporter.
Uhh... what? Not american, so I don't really have the capacity to support your politicians even if I cared to.
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Intro2Logic
05/24/24 7:04:13 PM
#75:


ROB45 posted...
I mean, I guess he might be of German decent, so maybe? I personally haven't seen any of that whole aryan master race thing from him, but maybe I am just missing something.
Yeah, you've missed a lot.
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/21/trumps-eugenics-obsession-he-thinks-he-has-good-german-genes-because-hes-a-fascist/
https://time.com/4936612/donald-trump-genes-genetics/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/trump-poison-blood-quote/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-history-adolf-hitler-nazi-writings-analysis/story?id=105810745

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Cemith
05/24/24 7:08:12 PM
#76:


ROB45 posted...
I mean, I guess he might be of German decent, so maybe? I personally haven't seen any of that whole aryan master race thing from him, but maybe I am just missing something.

It's definitely that one. But if you're not American, I guess I can feasibly see an outside chance that you have willingly not consumed any Trump anything recently, but yeah, dude has been parroting Hitler logic for the better part of, well, too long.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cbe3aa02.jpg

EPR-radar posted...
You're wasting your time. Anyone posting drivel like this online with a '45' in their user name is almost certainly a Trump supporter.

No, no, it's okay. I'm trying to be more cordial, So until I see an outright mask off post I really want to give more benefit of the doubt.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 7:09:00 PM
#77:


Intro2Logic posted...
Yeah, you've missed a lot.
https://www.salon.com/2020/09/21/trumps-eugenics-obsession-he-thinks-he-has-good-german-genes-because-hes-a-fascist/
https://time.com/4936612/donald-trump-genes-genetics/
https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/04/trump-poison-blood-quote/
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trumps-history-adolf-hitler-nazi-writings-analysis/story?id=105810745

There's also the not so small point that Trump (and the GOP) are white supremacist.

Fascist + racial supremacist is close enough to "Nazi" for the shoe to fit.

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DrizztLink
05/24/24 7:17:46 PM
#78:


ROB45 posted...
Uhh... what? Not american, so I don't really have the capacity to support your politicians even if I cared to.
So you're ignorant and your opinion is worthless.

You're astonishingly bad at this.

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ROB45
05/24/24 7:42:40 PM
#79:


DrizztLink posted...
So you're ignorant and your opinion is worthless.

You're astonishingly bad at this.
Ah yes the classic american retort of "only the opinions of americans matter". Meanwhile, you bicker among each other over which garbage leader to elect. What a joke.
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DrizztLink
05/24/24 7:44:12 PM
#80:


ROB45 posted...
Ah yes the classic american retort of "only the opinions of americans matter". Meanwhile, you bicker among each other over which garbage leader to elect. What a joke.
No defense regarding the ignorance charge, I see.

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Error1355
05/24/24 7:45:32 PM
#81:


ROB45 posted...
Ah yes the classic american retort of "only the opinions of americans matter". Meanwhile, you bicker among each other over which garbage leader to elect. What a joke.
You might wanna stop while you're ahead.

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rexcrk
05/24/24 7:45:36 PM
#82:


SauI_Goodman posted...
Guys, we don't need to vote either one of these jackasses in. There are other parties available.
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/73c9674d.jpg

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ROB45
05/24/24 7:48:11 PM
#83:


Cemith posted...
It's definitely that one. But if you're not American, I guess I can feasibly see an outside chance that you have willingly not consumed any Trump anything recently, but yeah, dude has been parroting Hitler logic for the better part of, well, too long.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/cbe3aa02.jpg

No, no, it's okay. I'm trying to be more cordial, So until I see an outright mask off post I really want to give more benefit of the doubt.
Eh... Hitler's points seem more racially driven. While it isn't one to one, I can see why you would view it in such a manner.
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ROB45
05/24/24 7:49:19 PM
#84:


Error1355 posted...
You might wanna stop while you're ahead.
Why? That poster just said my opinion is worthless because I'm not american. Is that the kind of shit you moderators support?
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misterbum
05/24/24 7:49:29 PM
#85:


Fuck Trump

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DrizztLink
05/24/24 7:50:18 PM
#86:


This is probably the most literal case of "crying to the mods" that I have ever been involved with.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 7:53:27 PM
#87:


ROB45 posted...
Why? That poster just said my opinion is worthless because I'm not american. Is that the kind of shit you moderators support?
The real reason your opinion is worthless is because (at best) you're completely ignorant of the subject at hand.

How would you like it if a clueless American were to dismiss all politics in your country as pointless bickering between partisans who are too stupid to think of anything better to do?

(which is exactly the shitty hot take you barged in here with)

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ROB45
05/24/24 7:55:19 PM
#88:


EPR-radar posted...
The real reason your opinion is worthless is because (at best) you're completely ignorant of the subject at hand.

How would you like it if a clueless American were to dismiss all politics in your country as pointless bickering between partisans who are too stupid to think of anything better to do?

(which is exactly the shitty hot take you barged in here with)
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ooger
05/24/24 7:58:06 PM
#89:


MangaBroski posted...
Hes mused the idea in a joking manner and we saw what happened January 6th, 2021.

I never read the document, but summaries made it seem that Project 2024 has the goal of eliminating and removing all opposition to Trump and the hard rights goals and views. If they were to occur, could the USA successfully recover from such an event peacefully?

That is his and the GOP's current goal.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 7:58:14 PM
#90:


ROB45 posted...
I mean, that is what they do... you new to the internet or something?
Then answer this -- how it is pointless for trans people and other people that Republicans want to oppress to fight back against that every way they can?

There is no moral equivalence between oppressors and oppressed, and that's why all the both-sides garbage is indeed garbage.

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Anteaterking
05/24/24 8:01:08 PM
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I think there will be a lot of damage done, but I think Trump and his group of lackeys have also shown that they don't truly have the leadership ability to enact Project 2025 so I also think that using that as a warning to people is ineffective.

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ROB45
05/24/24 8:03:18 PM
#92:


EPR-radar posted...
Then answer this -- how it is pointless for trans people and other people that Republicans want to oppress to fight back against that every way they can?

There is no moral equivalence between oppressors and oppressed, and that's why all the both-sides garbage is indeed garbage.
See, you go for the moral high ground by trying to indicate that you vote to save the trans people. The reality of it is that people vote selfishly for things that benefit themselves and only themselves. You keep this rhetoric of "you are a Nazi if you don't vote for the messiah Joe Biden" when people even suggest that maybe just vote for someone else.
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Cemith
05/24/24 8:04:51 PM
#93:


ROB45 posted...
Eh... Hitler's points seem more racially driven. While it isn't one to one, I can see why you would view it in such a manner.

Fwiw it isn't just me. This is pretty clear cut aspiration. Especially given his prior comments about Proud Boys, a white supremacist breeding ground, being told to "stand back and stand by".

As far as I, and several million others, anything short of a condemnation of white supremacy when given the chance is embarrassing and signifies that you're complicit in it.

Also, the whole "banning of Muslims/Mexicans are bringing rapists" thing is pretty nakedly about race.

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EPR-radar
05/24/24 8:07:02 PM
#94:


ROB45 posted...
See, you go for the moral high ground by trying to indicate that you vote to save the trans people. The reality of it is that people vote selfishly for things that benefit themselves and only themselves. You keep this rhetoric of "you are a Nazi if you don't vote for the messiah Joe Biden" when people even suggest that maybe just vote for someone else.
Your mask is slipping. And you're lying about what I've said in a standard Republican way. Can't think why.

There's also the fact that your repellant (and arch-conservative) stance is contrary to history -- civil rights in the US needed (and got) votes from white people who did not directly benefit from that, but preferred living in a civilized society instead of a Jim Crow hellhole.

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ooger
05/24/24 8:08:25 PM
#95:


misterbum posted...
Fuck Trump


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ROB45
05/24/24 8:09:09 PM
#96:


EPR-radar posted...
Your mask is slipping. And you're lying about what I've said in a standard Republican way. Can't think why.
Again, not american. Not republican. Not democrat. I don't have a foot in your race, and all you are doing is saying "if you don't support our messiah Biden, then you are a Trumb supporting republican Nazi!" And then wonder why I don't care for your nonsense.
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EPR-radar
05/24/24 8:10:27 PM
#97:


ROB45 posted...
Again, not american. Not republican. Not democrat. I don't have a foot in your race, and all you are doing is saying "if you don't support our messiah Biden, then you are a Trumb supporting republican Nazi!" And then wonder why I don't care for your nonsense.
Why don't you fuck off with your lying pig-ignorant nonsense?

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ROB45
05/24/24 8:12:25 PM
#98:


EPR-radar posted...
Why don't you fuck off with your lying pig-ignorant nonsense?
Selling that democrat stance so well. I hope Kanye West runs independent and wins.
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EPR-radar
05/24/24 8:14:00 PM
#99:


ROB45 posted...
Selling that democrat stance so well. I hope Kanye West runs independent and wins.
A clueless foreigner knowing about Kanye West's joke candidacy. LOL. Mission accomplished.

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MangaBroski
05/24/24 9:50:32 PM
#100:


ROB45 posted...
Obviously the current president for the other party isn't doing a very good job if you guys think this is a serious problem. Just saying, maybe vote for someone outside these two garbage parties for a change?
The conflict on Israel is Bidens biggest embarrassment, and its a no-win situation where he isolates one group by supporting the other and loses outright taking no stance. Beyond that, republicans just hated on him for being a dem. Well, I guess some fiscally conservative people who may not be republicans could have been upset with him for spending money to help Ukraine. Considering Russias desire to undermine and manipulate politics in the USA and the constant cyberattacks Russia allows to happen, anything to disrupt and thwart Russia at this point in time is a positive.
ROB45 posted...
See, you go for the moral high ground by trying to indicate that you vote to save the trans people. The reality of it is that people vote selfishly for things that benefit themselves and only themselves. You keep this rhetoric of "you are a Nazi if you don't vote for the messiah Joe Biden" when people even suggest that maybe just vote for someone else.
Im not Latino/a/e, but Trump playing up immigration fears against specific groups is disgusting and abhorrent. I am also not Arab, and Trumps statements against Arabs have also been unacceptable.
I cannot become pregnant and will likely never impregnate someone, yet I am furious at the loss of bodily autonomy inflicted upon those who can carry children because Trump stacked the Supreme Court with judges who would overturn Roe v Wade.

Im a sociopath who lacks empathy, so anyone making light or being dismissive of what is at stake raises more red flags than I raise with my normal day-to-day life. While I would support that system being dismantled from the ground-up by the voters, that is simply not what is happening, and now is not the time to take a risk where peoples lives could be at stake.

People in other countries absolutely can have views on politics in other countries. Dutertes was slaughtering Filipinos over drugs was abominable. Was it Bolsonaro who held a military parade for a dictator Brazil had to overthrow? I thought that was a smack in the face to the people of the country who had suffered under a dictator that they needed to oust.
I was a big fan of how New Zealand enforced lockdowns during the Covid pandemic, as well as their immediate and decisive response to a mass shooting to try and prevent future mass shootings. However, I am also aware of how the Mori are marginalized by the governments action in their own land.
Theres nothing wrong with holding views about politics in other countries, so long as those views arent garbage.
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