Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 18 - And 3 movies

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Why would the scan be a lie? Of course it's true.

He literally just admitted the possibility of me flipping town and is now talking about how he needs to be lynched "if" I flip town. You are either scum with him or choosing to be willfully ignorant.

ctesjbuvf posted...

I am saying that your preservation sucks because you aren't going for the player contradicting you. You would be more likely to convince people if you did.

Also how does me putting one vote on the player people are choosing to believe when the only scum we've been given has been third party, he hasn't scanned a single fucking mafia player yet and you're eating it up.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Also how does me putting one vote on the player people are choosing to believe when the only scum we've been given has been third party, he hasn't scanned a single fucking mafia player yet and you're eating it up.

Cut myself off out of frustration. Meant to say how does me putting one vote on him make it better when I would literally be the only vote on him. You didn't even acknowledge the vote I had on him when you were trying to "call me out." It's like talking to a brick fucking wall..

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Yea that really tracks, with this 2-1 vs 4 it doesn't matter because with the night kill you and 3rd party have the numbers to win.

If there is a 3rd party, Ben's flip all but guarantees they can't win with scum.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Your elbow is still fucked? Didnt you injure it like 6 years ago?

October 5th during Blade Mafia 5.

Meow1000 posted...

If there is a 3rd party, Ben's flip all but guarantees they can't win with scum.

Unless we are looking at a 3rd party that can win with mafia, town or 4th party as some what of a mirror of Ben's role.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Unless we are looking at a 3rd party that can win with mafia, town or 4th party as some what of a mirror of Ben's role.

"You win whenever Town, Mafia, or a 3rd Party achieves their win condition."

This flip is very very clear that if a 3rd Party exists, it has it's own, separate wincon, that is not related to town or scum.

Meow1000 posted...

"You win whenever Town, Mafia, or a 3rd Party achieves their win condition."

This flip is very very clear that if a 3rd Party exists, it has it's own, separate wincon, that is not related to town or scum.

I mean what other wincon could exist without multiple night kills other than survivor?

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I mean what other wincon could exist without multiple night kills other than survivor?

I mean for one example, if Ctes claim is real he's practically outright claimed 3P already.

Meow1000 posted...

I mean for one example, if Ctes claim is real he's practically outright claimed 3P already.

And his wincon would be? Like don't get me wrong I could absolutely see him as third party too, but I don't understand what his wincon could be other than that of a survivor like Ben.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And his wincon would be? Like don't get me wrong I could absolutely see him as third party too, but I don't understand what his wincon could be other than that of a survivor like Ben.

Something to do with having enough correct guesses probably.

Meow1000 posted...

Something to do with having enough correct guesses probably.

I suppose, and getting enough would have outright removed Ben from the game if his condition was met, I assume based on Ben's flip.

Ben's role was survivor who won with anyone. The 3P, if it exists, cannot be survivor.

The classic SK is obviously out.

It has to be some "odd" role.

You don't fit as scum because balance reasons and your only wincon as Indy would seemingly be hammer related.

FD would have to be some sort of arsonist variant, who's now locked onto Chang

Ctes would be... Whatever the hell he claimed

There are other "indy" roles that fit, but that's under the assumption we have one to begin with. Arsonist + Autowin with Indy feels contradictory though because wouldn't the arsonist just.... Kill him?

Meow1000 posted...

Oh fun, we're back to getting posts in Mafia topics modded. My first moderation here in several years.

Kirby seriously do yourself a favor and put me on block immediately after this game ends.

I promise you, that wasn't even me who reported any of your messages. But I just might block you anyway because you are truly insufferable and your vitriol has been a complete negative presence in this mafia game. You've crossed lines multiple times and refuse to be respectful or nice and have just constantly been insulting me and other players, and it's incredibly disrespectful to the host when she's already warned you to not be a dick.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And his wincon would be? Like don't get me wrong I could absolutely see him as third party too, but I don't understand what his wincon could be other than that of a survivor like Ben.

I agree with this. I don't understand what Ctes' win condition would be if he's third-party.

I could see FD's third-party win condition being something like "every living player has a cannister of love", but he certainly hasn't been playing as if that were the case.

I wonder if Lopen was actually the third-party we're trying to search for.

Introducing Town:
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/276372cb.png

If IGCD is scum (as opposed to 3rd party) then who is he scum with? Blade has certainly been doing his damndest to avoid an IGCD lynch by proposing a ctes lynch, but perhaps that's too obvious. Both Ctes and Kirby went in pretty hard against IGCD today which could be distancing. Chang hasn't said very much. Let's run the IGCD is scum scenarios.

IGCD + Blade:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/544d608e.jpg

And then I would have thought IGCD+Chang would follow a similar pattern but it's actually quite different:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/b/bdc0d1ae.jpg

IGCD + Ctes feels even less likely to succeed.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/67b16946.jpg

At least that's how I would imagine those scenarios going. There could be some variables I'm not aware of that simply haven't surfaced yet. I don't see IGCD being partnered with Kirby or Ulti and I know he's not partnered with me, but the bottom line seems to be that an IGCD + anyone team seems almost assuredly doomed with his lynch today.

Gonna post this and see how the images come out before I trace out some of the other combinations.

FD for IGCD and I to be scum together means we have effectively no killed on 4 consecutive nights with a cop that could scan him scum running out of targets to scan.

You can immediately discount the possibility on that alone.

By far the scariest scenario I can imagine is

IGCD is guilty scanning 3p
Ulti + Ctes are scum

Which potentially gives us this:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/6/6631b44f.jpg

Now I don't know if ulti could be scum with anyone else. Definitely not with Blade, possibly with Chang but he's been holding off on the "scan" of his partner all game for reasons? A wild theory would be a scum team of Ulti and IGCD and today is just the ultimate bus. But that would mean that IGCD was the night kill last night? a NK on 7 still doesn't work. Either way that would give us:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f0b1ab2c.jpg

Both of those are pretty scary scenarios, but they require scum ulti which I still can't bring myself to believe. I think it's been mentioned by why else was there a redirection between red/ctes unless it was to foil the cop scan? Otherwise it would have to have been a redirect to make us think that, but unless red or ctes got targeted by someone else we wouldn't have even known about it and ulti scanned blade that night anyways. So it would have been like a double bluff? Throw down a redirect, hope it gets noticed because it points to targeting your night action, but then don't even do the action that the redirect was supposedly targeting? No offense, but scum Ulti isn't that smart.

Meow1000 posted...

FD for IGCD and I to be scum together means we have effectively no killed on 4 consecutive nights

for starters, it would be 3 consecutive nights, not 4. You keep saying 4, it wasn't 4.

MZero was killed Night 4.
No kill on N5, N6, N7

N5 would have been a deliberate NoKill so you could lie and say you protected IGCD. It's a gamble depending on who gets jailed, but it allowed IGCD to misfire on the jailed target (Death) which only "confirmed" that he was saved by you. Deliberate NK.

N6 would not have been a deliberate NK. You wouldn't have expected IGCD to be jailed by Kirby and if he was sending the kill then the kill was stopped.

N7 though would have been a deliberate NK and you're right. That one falls apart. There is NO reason not to play for 6 alive which gives a 2 man scum team Mylo, instead of 7 alive which requires two more mislynches. So for you to be scum with IGCD it would require the No Kill on N5 to confirm both you and IGCD, and then a No Kill on N7 for WIFOM purposes just so you could say "why on earth would I no kill on 7 players alive?".

I don't that is especially likely, I'm just sketching out the possibilities, but please don't repeat the misinformation about 4 nights in a row anymore.

The only way Ulti+IGCD is scum is if they've been effectively no killing for 3 consecutive nights after killing MZero directly.

The only difference between that and me/IGCD is that wouldn't be leaving cop alive to scan the entire game with a scum scanning scum member just sitting there.

There is no explanation for night 5 other than I saved IGCD or scum no killed. There is no explanation for night 4 for either scumteam other than shooting MZero directly for ??? Reasons. There is no explanation for nights 6 and 7 other than scum no killed (and sacrificed Lylo in the process).

Indy IGCD+Scum Ulti/Ctes is my greatest fear because it means an IGCD ends the game unless Kirby blocks Ulti, which he won't.

Killing MZero then IGCD is exactly what I expect from scum Ulti, but it does mean they no killed specifically at 2/8 on night 6 and Kirby blocked the kill at 2/7 on night 7.

Ulti can only be scum if scum no killed specifically on night 6 because it wouldn't change the game structure the next day. There is no other explanation for night 6.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

for starters, it would be 3 consecutive nights, not 4. You keep saying 4, it wasn't 4.

MZero was killed Night 4.
No kill on N5, N6, N7

N5 would have been a deliberate NoKill so you could lie and say you protected IGCD. It's a gamble depending on who gets jailed, but it allowed IGCD to misfire on the jailed target (Death) which only "confirmed" that he was saved by you. Deliberate NK.

N6 would not have been a deliberate NK. You wouldn't have expected IGCD to be jailed by Kirby and if he was sending the kill then the kill was stopped.

N7 though would have been a deliberate NK and you're right. That one falls apart. There is NO reason not to play for 6 alive which gives a 2 man scum team Mylo, instead of 7 alive which requires two more mislynches. So for you to be scum with IGCD it would require the No Kill on N5 to confirm both you and IGCD, and then a No Kill on N7 for WIFOM purposes just so you could say "why on earth would I no kill on 7 players alive?".

I don't that is especially likely, I'm just sketching out the possibilities, but please don't repeat the misinformation about 4 nights in a row anymore.

I changed it from 3 to 4 because it requires us to have shot MZero directly, who was ultimately a meaningless kill at the time.

Uh I may have completely forgotten that Kirby claimed he jailed IGCD. My notes have him on.. Ben for some reason.

But that then still doesn't explain night 7. Ulti-IGCD would've had to no kill night 7.

We don't know who MZero taunted that night so including him in your defense of yourself doesn't pass muster.

I guess the most tempting thing about a Ctes lynch is that to me he is either scum or 3p. I have trouble really believing any version of this where he is town. So if he flips Scum then it's probably just Ctes + Ulti, and if he flips 3p then it's probably IGCD + someone.

I imagine it would look something like this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0009a39c.jpg

I'm penciling in Chang as IGCD's most likely scummate in that position. Your reason's (Blade) for it not being you are pretty compelling, and if it was ever Kirby then the game is just busted. Kirby would have to be some kind of full time backup that has been using Knightz' role since day 1. But that would explain why Kirby only seems to consider his role as a blocking one rather than a protection role. Regardless I think a scum Kirby would win every single scenario I can think of so it's not worth playing around.

Meow1000 posted...

Uh I may have completely forgotten that Kirby claimed he jailed IGCD. My notes have him on.. Ben for some reason.

But that then still doesn't explain night 7. Ulti-IGCD would've had to no kill night 7.

Why do I even make the spreadsheet? Zzz

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1d3a2859.jpg

So yeah, your ultimate "we would have deliberately NoKill" defense would only really involve deliberate NoKill on Nights 5 and 7. 5 would make perfect sense. 6 is explained by the IGCD jail and 7 is the one that stands out as not making any sense.

Also the Occam's Razor night 7 to me is that Ctes got blocked sending the kill, but Ctes/IGCD also does not explain night 5. The only way IGCD is scum is if scum NKed night 5. Note I don't believe IGCD or Wall ever even consider a no kill on their own.

But only Ulti or I would ever even think of a night 5 NK.

And for Ulti and I to be scum with IGCD with my notes fixing requires no killing on both nights 5 and 7.

I don't see how IGCD fits on a scumteam either by balance or by actions.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Why do I even make the spreadsheet? Zzz

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/1d3a2859.jpg

So yeah, your ultimate "we would have deliberately NoKill" defense would only really involve deliberate NoKill on Nights 5 and 7. 5 would make perfect sense. 6 is explained by the IGCD jail and 7 is the one that stands out as not making any sense.

Night 5 is actually bad because the EK was supposed to cost town a mislynch opportunity. Losing that kill made the game 1 day longer guaranteed. An intentional no kill on night 5 was almost as bad as doing it on day 7.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

We don't know who MZero taunted that night so including him in your defense of yourself doesn't pass muster.

I guess the most tempting thing about a Ctes lynch is that to me he is either scum or 3p. I have trouble really believing any version of this where he is town. So if he flips Scum then it's probably just Ctes + Ulti, and if he flips 3p then it's probably IGCD + someone.

I imagine it would look something like this?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/0/0009a39c.jpg

I'm penciling in Chang as IGCD's most likely scummate in that position. Your reason's (Blade) for it not being you are pretty compelling, and if it was ever Kirby then the game is just busted. Kirby would have to be some kind of full time backup that has been using Knightz' role since day 1. But that would explain why Kirby only seems to consider his role as a blocking one rather than a protection role. Regardless I think a scum Kirby would win every single scenario I can think of so it's not worth playing around.

0% chance MZero taunts the doctor or IGCD pre vig shot on night 4.

I'm legitimately starting to find myself in favor of the Ctes lynch though. Ctes flip will either confirm or rule out the possibility of a Scum Ulti, he's like 99% likely to be 3P if he's not scum so it's still something that needs to happen anyways.

And hell, I was dead right about Ben's flavor being wrong, why shouldn't I be right about Ctes? You can call me the Flavor Deity after Ctes flips anything but Starburns.

Not gonna vote yet, it's late and I had a long day so it's entirely possible there's angles I'm missing, but even the possibility of 2 scum and a 3P there aren't many scenarios that would lose us the game outright today.

The problem is the scariest scenario is also completely broken from a balance perspective.

The IGCD Indy and Ulti/Ctes paranoia has Ulti as vote blocker who can win tonight.

Which means 4+1+1 with a scum EK, an Indy EK, and a scum vote blocker.

That's somehow WORSE game balance then IGCD just being scum.

Meow1000 posted...

Night 5 is actually bad because the EK was supposed to cost town a mislynch opportunity. Losing that kill made the game 1 day longer guaranteed. An intentional no kill on night 5 was almost as bad as doing it on day 7.

Except Ctes was "supposed to" bet his life on IGCD death and he would have died that night, replacing the regularly scheduled night kill.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c5a18510.jpg

So please just accept that the N7 no kill makes you look pretty good without adding extra nights or false logic that doesn't exist. If this is a performance then you're wasting it on me.

Meow1000 posted...

The problem is the scariest scenario is also completely broken from a balance perspective.

The IGCD Indy and Ulti/Ctes paranoia has Ulti as vote blocker who can win tonight.

Which means 4+1+1 with a scum EK, an Indy EK, and a scum vote blocker.

That's somehow WORSE game balance then IGCD just being scum.

For all we know the Kidnap was an Indy action? And if IGCD is Indy he didn't get his EK for free, he had to hammer 3x for it and it had to gambit on no actual town vigi to have the freedom to do so.

i still find myself wondering sometimes if the 3x hammer thing was real though. It seems such a strange thing to fake but I wish I had forced him to type a ##Kill command before his hammering was done just to make sure he didn't already have a bullet that he was simply adding set dressing to make more believable.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

Except Ctes was "supposed to" bet his life on IGCD death and he would have died that night, replacing the regularly scheduled night kill.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/c5a18510.jpg

So please just accept that the N7 no kill makes you look pretty good without adding extra nights or false logic that doesn't exist. If this is a performance then you're wasting it on me.

Yeah except I openly discouraged people from following this plan because of how many things could go wrong with it.

I had already decided to save him that night.

Right, but this is a hypothetical "if you are IGCD's scummate" train of thought. That would involve you knowing that Ctes is not scum, having a belief that his ability to bet his life really exists and thinking he would go through with out despite you telling him not to.

Not sure why you're so insistent on defending the scenario that I already consider to be among the least likely -_-

Going to bed now though, so I guess I can't do this all day.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

For all we know the Kidnap was an Indy action? And if IGCD is Indy he didn't get his EK for free, he had to hammer 3x for it and it had to gambit on no actual town vigi to have the freedom to do so.

i still find myself wondering sometimes if the 3x hammer thing was real though. It seems such a strange thing to fake but I wish I had forced him to type a ##Kill command before his hammering was done just to make sure he didn't already have a bullet that he was simply adding set dressing to make more believable.

Lopen should be retroactively modkilled from this game because he openly said he was killed out of topic and it's impossible to just completely disregard it.

Even without that though, the game makes absolutely no sense if IGCD is specifically scum.

Meow1000 posted...

he openly said he was killed out of topic and it's impossible to just completely disregard it.

Ah, I wasn't aware of that. I figured it was safest to assume kidnap until we see a flip that explains that particular day action.

When it comes down to it though, the only person in the game I am certain isn't town is Ctes.

Oh and before you I actually have another objection. I'm doctor. This is that rare situation where I always fire the kill because I can always argue I was shot at and protected.

So, I object to any pairing of IGCD and I based on him being blocked sending the kill. I would've fired it because I had deniability.

And GL trying to argue your way out of that one, Ulti. It's funny. By correcting my one misnoted action, FD inadvertently unpaired IGCD and I on accident.

I'm the only player in the game that if scum would have definitively fired that shot, because I'm the only player that could always get away with being roleblocked firing it.

Good game.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

I'm legitimately starting to find myself in favor of the Ctes lynch though. Ctes flip will either confirm or rule out the possibility of a Scum Ulti, he's like 99% likely to be 3P if he's not scum so it's still something that needs to happen anyways.

And hell, I was dead right about Ben's flavor being wrong, why shouldn't I be right about Ctes? You can call me the Flavor Deity after Ctes flips anything but Starburns.

Not gonna vote yet, it's late and I had a long day so it's entirely possible there's angles I'm missing, but even the possibility of 2 scum and a 3P there aren't many scenarios that would lose us the game outright today.

So one important thing about Ctes: he has committed to gambling his life tonight. If he doesn't die overnight and doesn't have a vig shot to show for it, then we lynch him.

Meanwhile, if we lynch IGCD and he flips scum, then Ulti is a liar and we kill him.

We have two players who are committing to actions that, if they don't follow through on them, would be claiming scum. Neither of those players are IGCD, and furthermore, IGCD has a guilty scan on him.

I don't think diverting to a Ctes lynch makes sense given those arguments. Ctes will be auto-resolved tomorrow, and Ulti will be resolved based on IGCD's flip.

If Ctes dies tonight, nobody will bat an eye. If he's alive and armed with a vig shot the following day, he could still be third-party, but the odds of scum him being scum are incredibly low unless this game's balance is extremely lopsided, giving scum three extra kills (assuming Ulti is town and IGCD is indeed scum, at least). In either case, I think we stand to benefit to let Ctes live an extra day and sort him out after he gets his night action in.

If IGCD flips scum, Ulti is town unless you want to believe in a super scum megabus Ulti theory, which I don't think is very likely. If IGCD flips town, we know scum framer is already dead, so the odds of that being a mistake are pretty darn low. Ergo, Ulti is likely scum.

I think the IGCD lynch makes more sense here. What do you think of these points?

This however brings up a massive contradiction in game state. IGCD should never be scum for this game to have any remote sense of balance and Ulti is acting like flailing scum trying to force a team that anyone with a brain knows doesn't work.

So where did the night 5 and 6 shot go?

Disregarding the already questionable balance of the game, the only theory I can come up with is beyond ridiculous.

Say IGCD is scum. Ctes is going to "bet" on him that night. Scum chooses to no kill hoping Ctes will kill himself. It's an utterly moronic plan.

IGCD then gets blocked on night 6.

And then I save Ulti on night 7.

And the scumteam is then.. IGCD and Chang.

Zzzz

The problem is I just can't reconcile night 5 with IGCD being scum. Unless it's something as ridiculous as scum bussing Kirby onto their kill.

Night 6 and night 7 are easy. Night 5 is a mess.

I'm off to bed. That question is the homework though.

It would take a series of egregious misplays you know wouldn't come from me to be scum with IGCD. Not after the masterminding I did in Bloodborne at least.

But I'm the only one who has any even remotely conceivable motive to no kill on night 5 (which I still wouldn't do, as I'd have offed Kirby long ago at this point, and frankly Ulti should know this).

If IGCD is a member of the scumteam, why is there no kill on night 5? That's the question I'm stuck on. Balance issues aside, I can't find a satisfying answer to this question.

Wait a second.

There actually is a plausible theory that's incredibly specific.

We know scum used a very questionable redirect on night 4.

Let's say scum actually uses the redirect to try to kill someone on night 5, and swaps that person with Death, who Kirby targeted.

The hierarchy of rules is actually followed (breaking 20 years of tradition but ok). This causes Kirby's roleblock to fail, but as a result Kirby saves the target instead.

This right here is something that actually could have happened.

If the scumteam is IGCD and Ctes, it would mean Kirby and I combined to stop night 6 and night 7 kill attempts on Ulti.

If the scumteam is IGCD and someone other than Ctes though, it doesn't explain night 7, unless they had a limited use bus and their last shot was night 5.

In summary if IGCD it scum, it is conceivably possible that, ridiculous game balance aside, scum has been stopped from killing Ulti on at least two consecutive nights, and it could even be as much as four consecutive nights.

And my god if that's true it's amazing.

Night 4 MZero taunts the kill (though we both saved him anyway)
Night 5 Scum busses him and Death, causing Kirby to save him but not roleblock him
Night 6 IGCD is blocked sending the kill
Night 7 Either Ctes is blocked sending the kill, or I save Ulti.

The game balance is still terrible and frankly outright unfair, but this is the first time I have made a cohesive timeline of events that feels like it could work.

Though it's just as conceivable MZero and Kirby blocked a kill on me on nights 4 and 5.

But the best comedy option of all:

In that night 5 bus drive scenario, it's possible Kirby saved himself from a kill!

Please let that be what happened that would be amazing.

been mulling over things in my head. is it possible IGCD is scum but his daykill is not in fact an 'extra' kill?

like, it's predicated on intentionally locking in 'No Kill' the night before?

if the scum redirect/bus isn't part of a Jack role it certainly cannot be used in conjunction with kills onto the same target. There's simply no way scum has an every night redirect or bus and isn't using it to send kills through protection if they are capable of doing so

Yeah I have never heard of a scum bus driver that isn't allowed to redirect it's kills. Actually, your reaction tickles me. Let me tell you what really happened night 4, and why scum used the bus the way they did.

Scum shot at me. Scum did not need to use a bus drive to kill me. They attempted to redirect Ulti from Red to Ctes in order to minimize his impact. They were going to attempt use the bus to mess with him again night 5, and kill Kirby.

MZero saved me with a taunt, and that's when things started to go wrong.

The bus drive on night 5 was then used to attempt to kill Ulti before he landed a killer scan. The scumteam got hellishly unlucky and ended up bussing a save onto him with their shot.

Then comes night 6. Perhaps the scumteam is out of bus drives and I cold saved Ulti. Perhaps Kirby roleblocked the bus driver and I saved Ulti from the kill. Perhaps Kirby blocked the kill. Lots of options here.

Night 7 is a direct repeat of night 6.

If the scumteam attempted to shoot me on night 4, everything logically tracks. The only thing it requires is that one perfect storm happening on night 5.

i find it extremely difficult to believe that in 7 total nights scum has a bus driver they are allowed to use to redirect kills through protection and they have failed to kill someone no less than 4 times.

also, obligatory please scan me i'm not trying to get mislynched tomorrow for no reason

Let's cue up some Danganronpa music: If this scenario is correct, here's what happened.

After the mass claim on day 4, scum must've known I would take the correct play and reluctantly save Ulti. To counter this, the scumteam shot directly at me, knowing Kirby certainly would not target me. Scum also bussed what they thought was Ulti's most likely target to someone he already scanned. They likely had IGCD fire this kill, and he was in almost no one's POE. MZero, perhaps on a gut feeling, targets IGCD, and forces his hand.

The scumteam, containing a vulnerable IGCD (and possibly a vulnerable Chang?) is now worried, because they still expect me to stay on Ulti. On night 5, this causes them to bus Ulti with a random member of town (Death) and to shoot Death. In a stroke of luck, Kirby targets Death, redirecting his save (but not his roleblock) to Ulti.

Night 6 rolls around next after an unfortunate day 6, but the scumteam is still terrified of Ulti. Some combination of Kirby and I prevent the kill, and Ulti nukes obvious Indy Ben. Ben essentially serves up IGCD as he's going down.

Now it's night 7. The scumteam at this point, probably out of options, desperately shoots at Ulti and just hopes he finally dies. He doesn't, and he bakes IGCD with a scan.

Now it's day 8. Ctes, who has a high chance of being Indy, is just whistling along. FD reacts significantly better than Chang, making it more likely that FD is just town. Chang doesn't say much at all, but the moment it's brought up that a bus drive could explain night 5, he immediately chimes in and tries to shut that concept down.

So if this train of logic is correct, your Final Truth is Ctes/IGCD, or it's IGCD/Chang with Ctes as the third party.