Board 8 > Community Mafia Topic 18 - And 3 movies

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ctesjbuvf posted...

Like IGCD if town has to believe Ulti is lying. But votes me, that was probably the plan and they didn't believe that they would be scanned. Sometimes it's simple.

Here's the funny thing. Blade was whining about me being a bad player. Then IGCD says this in response:

IfGodCouldDie posted...

What do you mean. Roleblocking the cop was top notch

So IGCD was poking fun at my faux pas of roleblocking Ulti. But if Ulti is lying scum, and IGCD genuinely believed that, then I made the right call by jailing Ulti!

What an odd statement, don't you think?

ctesjbuvf posted...

Really, we kill IGCD the guilty scan tonight and we will see if jailer lets me bet my life the next night.

If I jail you tonight, then I will wear a crown of shame for actively throwing.

I'll leave you be for tonight. You'll either die a hero or murder scum with a fancy vig shot tomorrow. I have faith in you.

If you're alive tomorrow and don't have a vig shot, however... I will lynch you. But I don't think that needs to be said.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Oh its totally a TMI slip but no need to rub it in. It happened, we vote him, we move on.

I know. But if Blade and IGCD's tactics are to fill the topic with rubbish to make it harder for FD and Chang to figure out what's going on, then I'm absolutely going to keep rubbing it in just to make sure that blatant contradiction never gets forgotten. Fighting fire with fire, you know?

Well good game Ulti, it's not that you deserve to win but town deserves to lose after shitting the bed so fucking hard with the start we had. From now on you don't get the benefit of the doubt any more. This is why I never trust you.

Kirby321 posted...

I know. But if Blade and IGCD's tactics are to fill the topic with rubbish to make it harder for FD and Chang to figure out what's going on, then I'm absolutely going to keep rubbing it in just to make sure that blatant contradiction never gets forgotten. Fighting fire with fire, you know?

It's not a fucking contradiction, you jailed the person claiming to be a cop. That is objectively a wrong fucking play, Ulti shit on you for it the following day. Just fucking stop this fucking bullshit.

And you're just eating up his bullshit. Like for fucks sake.

If 2 scum left this was never a day scum could hammer

ctesjbuvf posted...

If 2 scum left this was never a day scum could hammer

With two scum left and one of them is on me it just takes two town for them to hammer.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

It's not a fucking contradiction, you jailed the person claiming to be a cop. That is objectively a wrong fucking play, Ulti shit on you for it the following day. Just fucking stop this fucking bullshit.

But if Ulti is scum like you're claiming, it was objectively the correct play.

Why do I get the feeling me making such an irrational action fucked up some crazy tactic scum was cooking to frame Ulti lmao

I have zero interest in sending an action tonight if IGCD is mislynched/3P lynched today.

Ulti won't die. Ctes won't die. Kirby either blocks Ulti or he doesn't.

Also lol Ulti saying no scum hammer when the blocked kill means it isn't Lylo.

It's amazing how much he contradicts himself.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

And you're just eating up his bullshit. Like for fucks sake.

Please stop wasting your brain cells on Kirby.

Kirby321 posted...

But if Ulti is scum like you're claiming, it was objectively the correct play.

Why do I get the feeling me making such an irrational action fucked up some crazy tactic scum was cooking to frame Ulti lmao

Just because you do something stupid and it works out doesn't mean it wasn't still stupid to do it in the first place.

Meow1000 posted...

Please stop wasting your brain cells on Kirby.

Yea you're probably right, wasted fucking time and energy.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Just because you do something stupid and it works out doesn't mean it wasn't still stupid to do it in the first place.

Just like how Corrik vigging scum within the first hour of a game was stupid, right?

Just saying... people don't generally complain or poke fun at actions that, on paper, are stupid but end up being a net benefit for town

IfGodCouldDie posted...

Yea you're probably right, wasted fucking time and energy.

If only we didn't choose to effectively no kill on 4 consecutive nights how could it have been anything but the perfect strategy wtf.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Ill play devils advocate just one time.

I am town and I have a guilty scan. These are red truths. Why did you scan guilty if youre town?

I didn't and I'll play devils advocate here too, if you're actually town and we're given a guilty scan on me that means Lea fucked up. Because I am fucking town. And no I am not a Miller there is nothing that I am hiding here.

200 posts in 2 hours, is it day 1 again already?

I was at a family birthday party earlier and trying to keep up on mobile, but it turned into a clusterf*** of chaos so I decided to wait until I got home.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but this is what i've picked up so far:

-Ulti is claiming a guilty scan on IGCD
-IGCD is claiming thats not true
-Blade is claiming Ulti/Ctes scum team who will win with a mislynch thanks to vote suppression
-Blade and IGCD are voting Ctes, everyone else is voting IGCD

Gonna go back through the topic more slowly now and collect the nightly actions and try to simply the chaos.

UltimaterializerX posted...

If you and God are town, you need 3 scum (maybe 2) outside of me/you/him.

You don't need three scum. You need two.

5+1 won't exist in 19 with an EK.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I didn't and I'll play devils advocate here too, if you're actually town and we're given a guilty scan on me that means Lea fucked up. Because I am fucking town. And no I am not a Miller there is nothing that I am hiding here.

I'd sooner believe that scum had a second framer role than believe our archchancellor who has been working very hard and is probably beating herself up over something small like forgetting a comma somewhere (and is also backed by a co-host) made as devastating of a mistake as this.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

200 posts in 2 hours, is it day 1 again already?

I was at a family birthday party earlier and trying to keep up on mobile, but it turned into a clusterf*** of chaos so I decided to wait until I got home.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but this is what i've picked up so far:

-Ulti is claiming a guilty scan on IGCD
-IGCD is claiming thats not true
-Blade is claiming Ulti/Ctes scum team who will win with a mislynch thanks to vote suppression
-Blade and IGCD are voting Ctes, everyone else is voting IGCD

Gonna go back through the topic more slowly now and collect the nightly actions and try to simply the chaos.

Ulti is claiming IGCD and I have effectively spent 4 consecutive nights no killing and patiently waiting for Ulti to scan him as scum

The argument breaks down on sight.

UltimaterializerX posted...

Im going by Bens flip not being a red herring and assuming 4/1/1.

4/1/1 with two scum EKs is absolutely ridiculous. The only thing IGCD could be is Indy. Even with that, 4/1/1 with two EKs in the game is bonkers and town would be horribly underpowered.

And if he's Indy, scum is still you and Ctes and lynching IGCD here still wins scum the game.

IGCD being scum gives scum two EKs. Scum is never supposed to have multiple EKs.

Kirby321 posted...

Just like how Corrik vigging scum within the first hour of a game was stupid, right?

Just saying... people don't generally complain or poke fun at actions that, on paper, are stupid but end up being a net benefit for town

But it's not that action that has me in a tizzy and I already admitted I was getting caught up in Blade's behaviour because being put on the mislynch block is really pissing me off.

Like Ben claimed to be town siding in a situation where he just gave up in a loss, trying to claim a post I made while pulled over was some damning evidence of me.

I'm complaining about you blindly following scum ulti to lose against a player that is mortally confirmed town through a no kill and you're just assuming that I continued to no kill multiple nights for what reason(something nobody has been able to answer) it is very infuriating.

So while you have made your decision to lose I am going to keep fighting to win. I refuse to let scum win this and I won't be responding to you after this because I know I am about to say something I shouldn't and I don't want to do that.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4a102abc.png

This is correct, right?

Blade: If your main theory is scum/ulti why are you protecting him?

Ulti: Do you think Blade is wrong scum or wrong town? Could Blade even win from this spot if the scum team is exactly IGCD + Blade? There would had to have been a kill last night for 2 scum to win with a mylo today.

Meow1000 posted...

You don't need three scum. You need two.

5+1 won't exist in 19 with an EK.

Two EKs with me on the team.

UltimaterializerX posted...

The scan does exist tho, so if youre town then we lost to a stupid role.

Heres the thing. Even if we play a second framer game, scum never would have expected me to scan you.

They very well could have had a back up and the fact that this doesn't even cross your mind really disappoints me.

I hold that the only way IGCD should flip scum and not Indy is if the game is 3-1-1 which is ridiculous for completely different reasons.

This game is already clearly imbalanced as hell in favor of anti-town and him flipping scum on a 4 man scumteam would make it so much worse.

IGCD being not town makes the balance of this game an absolute joke.

Forceful_Dragon posted...

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/4/4a102abc.png

This is correct, right?

Blade: If your main theory is scum/ulti why are you protecting him?

Ulti: Do you think Blade is wrong scum or wrong town? Could Blade even win from this spot if the scum team is exactly IGCD + Blade? There would had to have been a kill last night for 2 scum to win with a mylo today.

Because it is objectively the correct play.

Kirby321 posted...

I'd sooner believe that scum had a second framer role than believe our archchancellor who has been working very hard and is probably beating herself up over something small like forgetting a comma somewhere (and is also backed by a co-host) made as devastating of a mistake as this.

I've literally mentioned the possibility of a back up role for scum a couple times.

Actually I've also said it before because back on day 6 I already brought up my night 4 action was specifically.

"I hate it but saving Ulti is the +EV play".

UltimaterializerX posted...

scum gets more than one EK all the time. This is also a 19 player game and we were told its high power.

What in the world are you smoking.

Unless the role that killed Lopen was forced to act on day 1 absolutely not.

You can't allow a scumteam to kill 3 town in a single night. You could enter a night at 2/7 or 3/9 and the game just ends.

IfGodCouldDie posted...

I'm complaining about you blindly following scum ulti to lose against a player that is mortally confirmed town through a no kill and you're just assuming that I continued to no kill multiple nights for what reason(something nobody has been able to answer) it is very infuriating.

I mean, you as scum could've shot at Death the night you were protected. Why would you do that? I don't know, but why would scum anyone shoot Isquen and SBell?

And Blade already mentioned that scum could've been shooting at Ulti this entire time hoping that Blade decides to get pissy and choose not to protect him.

UltimaterializerX posted...

I honestly do think Blade is town, which Ben covered pretty wonderfully. Him and God arent linked. I do enjoy trolling him when he pulls the angry little man routine, though, Ill admit that much. It isnt 100% that hes town though, which Ill learn tonight. If Chang is scum, he literally factually cannot ever avoid me scanning him.

The biggest point in Blades favor is the night kills. Isquen, SBell, and (presumably) God? I cant see him signing off on those.

My #1 fear in all this is a godfather of some kind. Ctes scanned both ways. Ben scanned both ways. Wall could have framed people. A godfather (or a perfect godfather with Lopens role) on top of all that would be effing cruel, but not impossible. So the tldr is I scan Chang innocent, oops hes godfather, and we lose -_-

Uh.

"Presumably IGCD."

You've already locked yourself into saying we no killed that night. This completely contradicts your stance.

Here's the mental roadblock I'm stuck on currently.

1) I find it hard to believe IGCD is scum who claimed his dayvig shot not even halfway into day 1 before anyone claimed. There are actual town vigis in nearly every game who would have ended him on sight.

2) I find it hard to believe that Ulti just magically figured out Ben wasn't town. So either it was a gambit and Ben just rolled over or he actually has a way to detect if someone is town or not.

Those to thoughts are very difficult to hold simultaneously.

Another consideration now that votes are down is that if IGCD is town then that means the scum votes are already on him, or a hammer would have occurred. OR if there are only 2 scum they can't even win with 1 mislynch so they aren't too keen on hammering. And if IGCD is one of two remaining scum then would his scummate want to get a vote down on him early or want to be the one to hammer? And if IGCD is 3rd party (which Ben's flip seems to imply exists) then lynching him only brings us to lylo tomorrow anyways.

I'm sure the game state is more simple than it seems right now, but it feels really damn complex.

Kirby321 posted...

I mean, you as scum could've shot at Death the night you were protected. Why would you do that? I don't know, but why would scum anyone shoot Isquen and SBell?

And Blade already mentioned that scum could've been shooting at Ulti this entire time hoping that Blade decides to get pissy and choose not to protect him.

You mean Blade and I pretended to shoot Ulti.

Actually the contradiction is even worse than at first glance.

IGCD flipping scum proves that scum did not kill night 5.

There's absolutely no reason you should've brought up my save of him in your argument.

UltimaterializerX posted...

A backup to Walls role would be beyond cruel. Like thats just bad hosting at that point, and I dont think Lea is a bad host. Its why this 3/1/1 Blade keeps talking about is not possible.

More importantly, okay lets play the backup game. I dont see a world where scum guesses that I scan you.

4+1+1 with two scum EKs is even worse than 3+1+1.