Current Events > It seems like Nintendo does a successful system than a less successful system.

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Switch 2 in line for being a dud. I feel like it will be due to Nintendo not innovating the product enough with so many Windows/Android Switch clones available on the market, and Nintendo doing an entirely specs upgrade similar to the WiiU.

Not always. NES and SNES were back to back successes.

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

Salewise?

A switch with better specs is literally all id want out of a switch successor

If it's just a more powerful tablet and fully backwards compatible with Switch, that's all it needs to be another smashing success

Switch 2 will have online GameCube.

NES SNES N64 GB GBC GBA DS WII SWITCH all successes

GC 3DSover all sold well and had plenty of great games on them

wii u a dud

virtual boy a flop

seems there is no pattern and most nintendo hard ware is a success

ssb_yunglink2 posted...

A switch with better specs is literally all id want out of a switch successor

This... backwards compatibility would be nice too

AceMos posted...

wii u a dud

I blame marketing for that one. My brother had it and I still thought it was just like a tablet add-on to the Wii, not a different system.

I'm hoping the Switch 2 flops so in a few years their stock price is low enough to get a good return when the next successful console launches.

loafy013 posted...

I blame marketing for that one. My brother had it and I still thought it was just like a tablet add-on to the Wii, not a different system.

There were some great games for the system but it wasn't just the piss poor marketing, it just wasn't that great of a system. Clunky with the limited tablet distance, worst right stick placement ever, expensive to replace the tablet. I think the Switch is what they wanted Wii U to be but the tech just wasn't there yet, so they pooped out that abomination.

this only holds true for their home consoles, and only since wii

nes->snes->n64->gamecube were two successes into two fails (n64 less so)

and their handhelds have always been successful

I just saw a guy call the N64 and GameCube duds, and in that same sentence call the Wii U "amazing".

The world is terrible.

GB-GBA-DS-3DS-Switch.

voldothegr8 posted...

worst right stick placement ever

no

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

no

I somehow knew you would show up.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I just saw a guy call the N64 and GameCube duds, and in that same sentence call the Wii U "amazing".

The world is terrible.

The Wii U games were fantastic. A lot of the Switch success is because of ported Wii U games. The Wii U was a marketing failure and bad gimmick.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The Wii U games were fantastic. A lot of the Switch success is because of ported Wii U games. The Wii U was a marketing failure and bad gimmick.

it isn't just the marketing, the Wii U just didn't have much exciting to offer. the games were very good, but Wind Waker HD and Mario 3D World aren't the massive titles that Odyssey and BOTW are

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

The Wii U was Nintendo's least successful system. Even if you personally liked it, it was a dud.

Jerry_Hellyeah posted...

I just saw a guy call the N64 and GameCube duds, and in that same sentence call the Wii U "amazing".

The world is terrible.

That dude has always been a Wii U homer and generally has takes supporting the contrary of any consensus, take it with salt and all that.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The Wii U games were fantastic. A lot of the Switch success is because of ported Wii U games. The Wii U was a marketing failure and bad gimmick.

N64 and Gamecube also had fantastic games, so yeah, in a topic talking about sales it's a bit of a silly statement.

The Wii U tablet only worked in like a 10 foot radius, it was bad

BakonBitz posted...

N64 and Gamecube also had fantastic games, so yeah, in a topic talking about sales it's a bit of a silly statement.

N64 still did well for it's time and GC was neck and neck for 2nd during its gen, they weren't flop systems.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

Wii U was a dud.

voldothegr8 posted...

N64 still did well for it's time and GC was neck and neck for 2nd during its gen, they weren't flop systems.

Which just makes it more baffling to call them duds instead of the WiiU, lol. That's basically what I'm getting at.

Darkfire12 posted...

this only holds true for their home consoles, and only since wii

nes->snes->n64->gamecube were two successes into two fails (n64 less so)

and their handhelds have always been successful

In what weird reality was the GameCube unsuccessful?

Revelation34 posted...

In what weird reality was the GameCube unsuccessful?

It was perfectly okay, but didn't especially stand out as great in the way Switch, Wii or SNES do/did. Kinda the Windows 98 of Nintendo consoles.

Revelation34 posted...

In what weird reality was the GameCube unsuccessful?

In the reality where the GameCube gets compared to the peak era of the PS2.

It was also much less successful than the N64 before, and that one was already less successful than the SNES/PS1.

The failure of the Wii U never made sense to me. The gamepad and name were both really dumb. But it was a fine system other than those, and it had some excellent games. Yeah it sucks having to actually pay additional money to get a real controller, but the Pro Controller is at least one of the best controllers ever made.

Karovorak posted...

In the reality where the GameCube gets compared to the peak era of the PS2.

It was also much less successful than the N64 before, and that one was already less successful than the SNES/PS1.

Oh right. I forgot it only sold 5 consoles.

The failure of the Wii U can largely be put down to the marketing. The Wii had been a massive success, appealing to a wide range of demographics, even finding its way into nursing homes. It was all over the place. So, when the Wii U was introduced with its freaking tablet controller and a looking just like the Wii. Those people were confused. They tought it was an accessory. Then the hardcore gamers were disappointed by the lack of significant upgrades. So the Wii U missed both target its. If it was marketed better it would have had better sales. I don't know if it would have been a massive hit. Since those nursing homes were not going to pay another system . Since they have Nintendo at home. But it would have done better. So it was the marketing more then specs.

Revelation34 posted...

Oh right. I forgot it only sold 5 consoles.

The N64 only sold half as many as the SNES.
The Gamecube sold only a third of the SNES.

The GameCube was the worst selling console of it's generation (not only behind the PS2, but also behind the XBox).

Nintendo lost a huge chunk of the market during this gen.

The only home consoles that sold less than the gamecube are the ones from SEGA, the Wii U or from the 8-Bit-Era

Tech nerds so often don't seem to understand that the vast majority of the market does not give a crap about whether X spec is 4% better on one device over another.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

The Wii U was absolutely a dud.

NES and SNES were massive successes.

N64 should have been a dud, but Nintendo's amazing first party releases saved it. It wasn't a huge success like earlier systems but it did decently well.

GameCube's first party games were not at the same quality level and the competition was fiercer. It was definitely a dud.

Wii was Nintendo striking gold. They finally cracked the code of making motion capture games that worked enough to be fun to play.

Wii U was a series of bad decisions combined with weak first party titles. Nintendo's biggest dud ever.

Switch was Nintendo striking gold again. They took the ideas of the Wii U and made them work better, plus they had some of the most beloved first person titles ever.

We'll see what happens with the next console. I'll wait till release to pass judgment.

pinky0926 posted...

Tech nerds so often don't seem to understand that the vast majority of the market does not give a crap about whether X spec is 4% better on one device over another.

Karovorak posted...

The N64 only sold half as many as the SNES.
The Gamecube sold only a third of the SNES.

The GameCube was the worst selling console of it's generation (not only behind the PS2, but also behind the XBox).

Nintendo lost a huge chunk of the market during this gen.

The only home consoles that sold less than the gamecube are the ones from SEGA, the Wii U or from the 8-Bit-Era

GameCube was the most powerful console of its gen but sold the least, which is why Nintendo never released a straightforward powerful console again and started making weaker consoles with gimmicks attached

TheHoldSteady posted...

GameCube was the most powerful console of its gen but sold the least, which is why Nintendo never released a straightforward powerful console again and started making weaker consoles with gimmicks attached

GC has sligtly better GPU power but Xbox crushes everyone that gen with CPU power.

TheHoldSteady posted...

GameCube was the most powerful console of its gen but sold the least, which is why Nintendo never released a straightforward powerful console again and started making weaker consoles with gimmicks attached

Nah, the og xbox was a bit more capable than the gamecube. The rule of thumb when it came to 3rd party ports of the era was the xbox's version would be on top, with the gamecube's in the middle. The PS2's sometimes were flat out ass depending on the game. (Return to castle wolfenstein. This game supported full campaign co-op and had 16 player online multiplayer for the xbox version. The PS2 version could only support the campaign. No co-op, and no online). There was very few exceptions to that.

To be honest the only one I can remember off the top of my head being in the gamecube's favor was phantasy star online episode 1 and 2. That port was specifically designed for the cube', and so the gamecube version had it's own unique special effects that did not show up on the xbox port of the game, not even in the later PC port with PSO blue burst. (the wavy effect that you could see on telepipes, when you use high level fire spells, and on high level megid).

Wtf, did I wake up in a different universe? Since when was the N64 and GC considered duds.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Wtf, did I wake up in a different universe? Since when was the N64 and GC considered duds.

The nintendo 64 actually is a dud if we are going by sales. In japan it had it's ass kicked badly by the sega saturn (via all those saturn games that did not get to be localized. Thanks bernie stolar), which in turn got trashed by the PS1. With how huge nintendo was over there with the famicom and super famicom, it was seen as extremely humbling/pretty bad. In europe nintendo's sales for the NES and SNES never was that all that high, and the N64 either barely sold better or sold worse than those. (EU peeps were too busy playing the master system, mega drive, the commodore 64, and the PS1 lol). *It also did not help that the N64 launched pretty late in the UK, and at a way higher price than everything else. Sony already had a comfy foothold over there and at a way cheaper price by the 64's EU launch.*

https://www.resetera.com/threads/remember-how-badly-nintendo-used-to-handle-the-uk-europe.81740/

North america straight up carried the 64 with the bit of success it had.

As far as the gamecube goes, the og xbox despite being the new kid on the block managed to outsell the gamecube barely.

Tyranthraxus posted...

The Wii U games were fantastic. A lot of the Switch success is because of ported Wii U games. The Wii U was a marketing failure and bad gimmick.

I think the Wii U might have faired a lot better if it had launched with a game like Mario Maker. If anything showed off what you could do with the Wii U that you couldn't do (as easily) on the other consoles, it was Mario Maker.

MagiMarthKoopa posted...

NES, SNES, amazing
N64, GC, duds
Wii, Wii U, Switch, amazing

Not seeing the pattern

Excuse me whilst I laugh at this garbage.

NES, Snes amazing? Er nope! Oh are you refering to the two console that got slaughtered for sales, graphics, games the lot here in Europe by The Master System and Mega Drive?

N64 and GameCube duds?! Er nope especially The GameCube. Never ever diss the best console Nintendo has ever done in The GameCube. I loved and adored that little purple box and I miss it deeply. It had better graphics and gameplay than the PS2.

Wii, Wii U and Switch amazing???!!! Sorry but I can't contain my laughter. The Wii may have been alright but it's motion controlls were terrible. Thank goodness lots of games gave you the option to play with the GameCube controll pad or Classic Controller as IMO even Nintendo's own gaming department could see that the motion controlls were bad.

The Wii U is Nintendo's second biggest failure only beaten by The Virtua Boy. Tell me how the hell does a company go from selling 120,000,000+ consoles to only 18,000,000 with The Wii U. If it hadn't of been for the 3DS Nintendo could very well have gone under. Stupid confusing name, bad console design and no third party support cost it.

Nintendo seems to have recovered with the Switch. Can't really comment as I know virtually nothing about it.

Watch them release a Wind Waker HD/Twilight Princess HD package to try and sell this thing. Ill be fucking pissed.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Wtf, did I wake up in a different universe? Since when was the N64 and GC considered duds.

Both consoles sold well below expectations and we're solidly trounced by the competition (Playstation, and then the PS2 and Xbox).

The GameCube actually performed worse than the N64 did.

Handheld is where Nintendo virtually always hit it out of the park, and with the Switch I think they finally found their "niche", although I'm sure they'll still try some new innovations rather than straight upgrades.

But yes, for consoles, feels... More or less correct. I would put the switch along the lines of Gameboy-GBC-GBA-DS-3DS though.

Crimson_Corsair posted...

Wtf, did I wake up in a different universe? Since when was the N64 and GC considered duds.

The N64 did decently well, but it sold less than the NES and SNES.

Gamecube is their third least-selling platform. It didn't flop, but they were dead last that console gen.

"The Wii U had amazing games"

yeah, like... ten of them, if even, and two commonly cited ones were remasters of Gamecube games. People seem to also forget the Wii U had massive gaps in releases.

"Switch is propped up by Wii U ports"
Switch has more exclusive games than the Wii U, so no, it's not just the ports.

The N64 wasn't actually that bad on a sales front, though still a pretty big drop from the SNES, but it was the point where third parties largely abandoned Nintendo and also runs into a similar issue as the Wii U where there weren't actually that many games. Though, as far as sheer impact goes, the N64 had a bigger impact. It's like half-failure.

The Gamecube was a further 10 million drop from N64, it was definitely a bigger failure. However, it had more great games both in first party and third party terms, but sometimes had release gaps and still was often skipped by third parties. It was a weird situation, but it was undeniably did not have much success, which contributed to Nintendo's shift that resulted in the Wii.

I mention those release gaps because the Switch gets a new first party release almost on a monthly basis, and insane third party support. Nintendo learned from their mistakes, and chances are, they are making sure they keep that up for the successor. So, it'll probably have a decent shot at success if all the cards are played right. Just a consistent stream of games alone makes a good deal of difference.

Nintendo technically is almost always a success. Might be behind the others at times but since the company focuses mostly on games and they have multiple first party games that are almost always hits they do just fine.

Read once they draw in the most profit. It's a skewed number if I recall but it boils down to they make their stuff cheaper than other companies but they also ain't bleeding money in other departments like Sony.

Sufferedphoenix posted...

Nintendo technically is almost always a success. Might be behind the others at times but since the company focuses mostly on games and they have multiple first party games that are almost always hits they do just fine.

Read once they draw in the most profit. It's a skewed number if I recall but it boils down to they make their stuff cheaper than other companies but they also ain't bleeding money in other departments like Sony.

IIRC, the Wii U was one of the only times Nintendo was selling at a lost, at least initially. Otherwise they always price things to be relatively affordable for the masses while also not producing at a lost.

They are also famously reserved in their budgets, so nearly every game profits. Breath of the Wild was one of their most expensive games and they mentioned they had to sell 2 million to break even. That's it. Compare that to how many studios think 5 million is disappointing and that paints a stark picture about budget management.