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I feel like they're self-defeating their own chances by their proclivity to extensively use the term "zionist," given that many take the disparaging use of that word as code for antisemitic rhetoric.

what happens if the demands are met?

Truth be told, I'm not sure how the fourth demand directly helps people in Gaza.

Whiterun_Guard_ posted...

what happens if the demands are met?

The protests might end, perhaps?

K181 posted...

I feel like they're self-defeating their own chances by their proclivity to extensively use the term "zionist," given that many take the disparaging use of that word as code for antisemitic rhetoric.

yeah these demands seem to be reasonable, if unlikely, but I dont think that generalization will help them

I heard many of the leaders of this protest are Jewish. But the media portrays this as an anti Jewish protest. It's very misleading

Zikten posted...

I heard many of the leaders of this protest are Jewish. But the media portrays this as an anti Jewish protest. It's very misleading

yeah same thing Netenyahu is doing. Just calling any and every criticism of the genocide antisemitism

That's enough usage of the word zionist to raise my eyebrow

I must ask, what is it about Palestine in particular which makes it such a consistent issue for the Left? I have been to trade union marches, with nothing whatsoever to do with Middle Eastern politics, and people were flying that flag. Why the obsession?

Zionism refers to a right wing settler colonial political movement, not Jewish people in general. A lot of the people involved in these protests are themselves Jewish and have family in Israel, so they're saying this specifically TO indicate that they're not talking about all Israelis or all Jewish people. And yet you're taking it as the opposite.

What term would you prefer they use? Jewish? Israeli? What they're criticizing is Zionism specifically.

DarthCommodus posted...

I must ask, what is it about Palestine in particular which makes it such a consistent issue for the Left? I have been to trade union marches, with nothing whatsoever to do with Middle Eastern politics, and people were flying that flag. Why the obsession?

Idk maybe the active genocide?

DarthCommodus posted...

I must ask, what is it about Palestine in particular which makes it such a consistent issue for the Left? I have been to trade union marches, with nothing whatsoever to do with Middle Eastern politics, and people were flying that flag. Why the obsession?

It touches on settler colonialism, militarism, racism, islamophobia, anti-left sentiment, it's an international struggle, and these are people that believe in international solidarity with all oppressed people in opposition to militarized capitalist and state power. Methods of oppression used by colonial powers and corporations to enforce colonization are almost always brought back home and the first people they're used on are the leftists and unionists.

TLDR: they believe in solidarity, oppose oppression of vulnerable groups, and believe these tactics of control will eventually be used on them if not defeated.

legendary_zell posted...

Zionism refers to a right wing settler colonial political movement, not Jewish people in general. A lot of the people involved in these protests are themselves Jewish and have family in Israel, so they're saying this specifically TO indicate that they're not talking about all Israelis or all Jewish people. And yet you're taking it as the opposite.

What term would you prefer they use? Jewish? Israeli? What they're criticizing is Zionism specifically.

A lot of people take Zionism to just mean the right to a Jewish majority State.

legendary_zell posted...

It touches on settler colonialism, militarism, racism, islamophobia, anti-left sentiment, it's an international struggle, and these are people that believe in international solidarity with all oppressed people in opposition to militarized capitalist and state power. Methods of oppression used by colonial powers and corporations to enforce colonization are almost always brought back home and the first people they're used on are the leftists and unionists.

TLDR: they believe in solidarity, oppose oppression of vulnerable groups, and believe these tactics of control will eventually be used on them if not defeated.

Has it succeeded yet?

emblem-man posted...

A lot of people take Zionism to just mean the right to a Jewish majority State.

First, let's assume that you're right and that definition is unproblematic. What would be a better term? What other language gets across that they're taking issue with a specific right wing political movement, not Jewish people or even the concept of a Jewish homeland in general?

Second, how are you going to have a Jewish majority state in that specific location without using all those tactics I mentioned in my prior post? There was already a population there that is not Jewish. The students are using the word Zionist in the context of that reality and the history of what has in fact happened with the Zionist movement. Zionism used to have a lot of meanings, some spiritual, some cultural, some leftist, other meanings that didn't mean ethnic cleansing and apartheid, but that's what it means now.

Humble_Novice posted...

Has it succeeded yet?

Has what succeeded yet?

legendary_zell posted...

First, let's assume that you're right and that definition is unproblematic. What would be a better term? What other language gets across that they're taking issue with a specific right wing political movement, not Jewish people or even the concept of a Jewish homeland in general?

I have no idea to be honest. I don't particularly disagree with using that term, I'm just saying that I think many do define it simply as a Jewish majority State. I didn't mean for it to look like I'm just pointing fingers. Just that there probably are well meaning people who don't initially take it as a negative term.

legendary_zell posted...

Second, how are you going to have a Jewish majority state in that specific location without using all those tactics I mentioned in my prior post?

To be clear, I don't agree with there being a defacto ethnic majority State for anyone. Jewish, Muslim, Arab, whatever. Especially when it comes to the question of how you enforce that and what it means in regards to immigration.

I get why some people believe there should be a Jewish one, but in principle I think I'm against the idea of it.

Imagine goes balls deep into debt for college and now youre blocked from going to these classes by protesters.

No and not just no but hilariously no.

Stopped reading after them using Zionism

How unreasonable....

"End all collaborations with zionist individuals"

I'd like to see what that list of individuals looks like

The government didn't care about the Vietnam protests and that involved American lives.

Once we vote for our nation's puppets that ends our say in how tax dollars are spent for the most part.

It's worth noticing that the two noteworthy schools who have come to an agreement with the protestors (Brown and Northwestern) were dealing with protestors who had much more achievable demands.

Shadow_Don posted...

"End all collaborations with zionist individuals"

I'd like to see what that list of individuals looks like

Probably names like (((this))).