Current Events > If existential fear won't get you to vote against Trump, then nothing will.

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Okay so youre just willing to hope youre right instead of do literally anything to try and stop it

So you refuse to put in any effort to save lives?

Be mad at Biden.

No one can make you guilty for the blood of others. No one can drag you to Hell. You walk there of your own volition or you don't go there. I wouldn't kill one innocent to save a thousand innocents. That's the way that it is.

No, you're exactly the same as the guy in this topic proudly doing it because he'll be safe, you've just found a way to be self-righteous about it.

So we're going to get Trump again, fan-fucking-tastic.

Good fucking job, Biden. Your incompetent ass has basically doomed the country. Everyone fucking hates you, you can't fucking do anything right, and you can go join Hillary in the corner of shame for being the only fucking people in existence who can actually throw an election to Donald Trump.

What candidate would you prefer to Biden

So we're going to get Trump again, fan-fucking-tastic.

Good fucking job, Biden. Your incompetent ass has basically doomed the country. Everyone fucking hates you, you can't fucking do anything right, and you can go join Hillary in the corner of shame for being the only fucking people in existence who can actually throw an election to Donald Trump.

What candidate would you prefer to Biden

If your life is imperiled by the outcome of the election, blame Biden. Not me. All he had to do to guarantee reelection was to stop funding genocide and he refused.

"tell Biden to take responsibility for his actions, but I don't have to"

If your life is imperiled by the outcome of the election, blame Biden. Not me. All he had to do to guarantee reelection was to stop funding genocide and he refused.

In response to DrizztLink,

Yes, he's the one who ran for president. He accepted that responsibility. He chose to run for office.

He ran for office. I did not.
He has power and authority. I do not.

You cannot tell me that I have a president's responsibility when it is not within my power to withhold funding from Israel.

If your life is imperiled by the outcome of the election, blame Biden. Not me. All he had to do to guarantee reelection was to stop funding genocide and he refused.

Ill always vote, but Im not sure thatll do more than buy us four more years. Project 2025 wont go away if Trump loses, it just becomes Project 2029. Eventually the pendulum will swing and well get a Republican President and Congress again. And the mask is off at this point, I dont think GOP voters will accept any attempt to go back to a semi-functional republic.

Voting is great and all, its the best option available at this moment. But lets not pretend that voting harder is going to solve all our woes either, or that a not-insignificant population of this country has already decided political violence to overthrow a legitimately elected president is a better alternative than democracy. Once the GOP made the choice to side with the Jan 6th terrorists, they made it clear they will support more violence to get their way.

You all ready for that possibility? That no matter how you vote this year, or next year, or four years from now, that all of that could be tossed away because the right-wing finally decides to do away with the pretense democracy?

Because in the same way we should all vote so that were not complicit in Trump winning the presidency this election, we should also decide whether were going to be complicit in Trump or another right-wing scumbag seizing power by not fighting back beyond the ballot box.

I'll blame everyone who could have done a small thing to help prevent it, but chose not to.

Well, as long as you're okay.

Sure, millions of other people will lose their rights, women will die in droves, but you personally should be able to skate so that's perfectly acceptable.

Hope you don't consider yourself a good person.

All of those things will happen if I personally dont vote? I dont hold that much power my guy. Im on your side and Im rooting/want Biden to take it. I have no incentive to vote. I wish voting had something like go vote and well give you a $10 prepaid card or free dozen donuts at DD or something. I am a good person.

I wouldn't kill one innocent to save a thousand innocents. That's the way that it is.

Until there's a paradigm shift within the GOP, every election from here on out will be the most important of our lives, with far-reaching REAL repercussions (and loss of current freedoms) every single time the GOP wins. It's nice to want a better situation, but for now we have to deal with the problem in our face.

Do you think the average voter sees it that way? Do you think well be able to convince them that they should be eternally afraid of the GOP, while the GOP is also trying to convince voters they should be eternally afraid of the Dems? Most people do not pay nearly that much attention, and eventually theyre just going to go numb from it all and not vote, or vote for the GOP. We cant keep making every election one where our democracy is at stake no matter how true it is, because eventually the average voter is going to think were crying wolf.

The best thing we can do is vote, but eventually dealing with the problem is very likely going to require a more violent solution. Faith that the system will eventually get us back on the rails is fine; blind faith to that making us ignore that the system may also fail is not.

You gotta stop creating enemies with anyone who doesnt do exactly as you do.

That's just being bad at math.

I'll take being called lazy or apathetic or whatever, but to act like we are somehow actively contributing negatively is just wrong and silly

I mean, Im not lying. Trump was elected and life went on normal for me for the most part besides all of COVID. Bidens president now and life is going at the usual norm for me. You gotta stop creating enemies with anyone who doesnt do exactly as you do.

It is silly, because you're describing my own fucking county not that long ago.

It's now blue.

Guess how that happened?

I'm in fucking South Carolina and I'll still be voting blue. What's your excuse nek?