Current Events > Warhammer 40K makes first female custodians causing elements to call woke

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Neither video are the antiwoke people unless Phil is such a person but don't think so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYPxtejlXEo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYuE1ViYzqM

So they updated the lore and made the first female custodian.
Certain youtubers (not those share above) of course upset about it and there is rumor that Amazon demanded this for the show but they may have made that up.
Why do they care? Supposedly lore said custodians all male or something.

Alt right dickheads in the 40k community like Arch Warhammer actually think that the Imperium is some sort of inspirational utopia and not some sort of fascistic hellhole parodying Thatcherite Britain. But adding female space marines somehow crosses the line.

Yeah the fucking 40k community is rife with fascists. Which is absurd when the Imperium is essentially cautionary tale/anti-fascist satire of a fascist state. No one ever accused Nazis of being smart though.

30 years and there's never been a female custodian until they're about to have a show made by Amazon? Hmmm .

Warhammer 40K has absolutely no problem with female representation, plenty of factions are mixed there's whole factions with exclusively females (ex: Sisters of Battle).

This change was not done for a creative purpose. If I were to make a guess, there's a female custodian playing a main character in upcoming new live-action show.

I wonder if the rumors of Henry Cavill threatening to leave over this are true.

I don't understand the issue; the Custodes are not the Astartes

deoxxys posted...

30 years and there's never been a female custodian until they're about to have a show made by Amazon? Hmmm .

Warhammer 40K has absolutely no problem with female representation, plenty of factions are mixed there's whole factions with exclusively females (ex: Sisters of Battle).

This change was not done for a creative purpose. If I were to make a guess, there's a female custodian playing a main character in upcoming new live-action show.

I wonder if the rumors of Henry Cavill threatening to leave over this are true.

Who fucking cares?

ScazarMeltex posted...

Who fucking cares?

Obviously someone cared enough that there weren't female custodes

deoxxys posted...

Obviously someone cared enough that there weren't female custodes

And that's a problem for you?

deoxxys posted...

I wonder if the rumors of Henry Cavill threatening to leave over this are true.

OMG are you people already starting that nonsense again? It was bad enough when you did it the first time.

ScazarMeltex posted...

And that's a problem for you?

It just seems like you're looking to argue I've said my piece and that's all that matters

ScazarMeltex posted...

Who fucking cares?

Supposedly the creators of the new show care. Or that's the rumor.

deoxxys posted...

It just seems like you're looking to argue I've said my piece and that's all that matters

Why is it a problem for you?

WH40K is nearly as lore rich as Lord of the Rings.

Want a successful show? Like just follow that lore.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Why is it a problem for you?

Because corporations love to run beloved IPs into the ground after they've milked them dry and forced their mandates.

deoxxys posted...

Because corporations love to run beloved IPs into the ground after they've milked them dry and forced their mandates.

How is it running it into the ground by having a female custodes?

Their mistake wasn't making female Custodes, their mistake was saying there's always been female Custodes when there's apparently lore that directly refutes that.

All they had to do was come up with some new bit of lore about how there's now female Custodes but they took the more lazy way out. Not that I particularly care, I play Orks and don't care too much about 40k lore in general.

deoxxys posted...

Because corporations love to run beloved IPs into the ground after they've milked them dry and forced their mandates.

such as?

Female custodians are a dumb thing that makes no sense that they shoved in because of Amazon. Fans have been clamoring for more attention to Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence, and then they do this.

@scazarmeltex do you actually care about 40k or is this reactionary arguing? People can be bothered by the same thing for entirely different reasons.

I like it only because I think female custodians would look sick. I also think it's a vocal minority that are angry about the retcon and is only amplified by social media. The retcon doesn't really change anything all that much. The groups I play with seem to either like the change or don't see it as a big deal.

ScazarMeltex posted...

How is it running it into the ground by having a female custodes?

No but that's how it begins. That change isn't so bad, but how we do this now to this faction? You know, this bit of lore is problematic we might want to revise that...It won't be good for our advertisers/shareholders.

Enclave posted...

Their mistake wasn't making female Custodes, their mistake was saying there's always been female Custodes when there's apparently lore that directly refutes that.

Oh yeah and then there's that. They forgot their fandom is the one that pointed out the power armor didn't have the same amount of ridges

deoxxys posted...

Oh yeah and then there's that. They forgot their fandom is the one that pointed out the power armor didn't have the same amount of ridges

The 40k nerds care SO much about every little detail.

Sure you're going to have some who even with lore will rage at something like this but there's also a good chunk who would be "The lore supports this, it's fine."

Games Workshop knows what kinds of fans they have, they should have known they needed some kind of new lore to justify this.

Enclave posted...

All they had to do was come up with some new bit of lore about how there's now female Custodes

That might be even worse. The whole point of Custodes is that they were directly crafted by Emps with a limited allotment of resources, the labor of love (so much as Emps can love) artisan craft brew to the mass-produced light lager that is the Marines. There can't be more Custodes. Emps has to make them directly, and not only does he lack incentive to do so currently, he's also a bit preoccupied.

deoxxys posted...

No but that's how it begins.

Sorry. WH40k has been retcon'd PLENTY of times. This is no "beginning" just becuase this doesn't fit your chud world view.

Guide posted...

That might be even worse. The whole point of Custodes is that they were directly crafted by Emps with a limited allotment of resources, the labor of love (so much as Emps can love) artisan craft brew to the mass-produced light lager that is the Marines. There can't be more Custodes. Emps has to make them directly, and not only does he lack incentive to do so currently, he's also a bit preoccupied.

Fun thing about fiction is that you can come up with reasons to overcome all those things. It's all make believe after all, they aren't beholden to reality.

Indeed the Adepta Sororitas are really cool v

https://youtu.be/c4L02R1AXdY?si=WmEgbgE6N48GApUL

Lokarin posted...

I don't understand the issue; the Custodes are not the Astartes

Agreed. The lore specifies that the Astartes are all male. It isn't really stated anywhere for the Custodes.

For anyone who cares, Luetin has a really good video discussing this very subject. Makes some excellent points. How it's kind of silly that it comes. But also talks about the lore actually kind of supporting the idea of female Custodes. My first reaction was "WTF? That's dumb." But his discussion changed my opinion. I no longer have any issues with it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fy1TQbDVgJg&pp=ygUGbHVldGlu

Enclave posted...

Fun thing about fiction is that you can come up with reasons to overcome all those things. It's all make believe after all, they aren't beholden to reality.

ya, Belisarius Cawl added 10 inches to Robot Gillman

luigi33 posted...

Sorry. WH40k has been retcon'd PLENTY of times. This is no "beginning" just becuase this doesn't fit your chud world view.

This is like saying any fighting is fine because fighting has happened plenty of times. Why retcons are happening is what matters.

Guide posted...

This is like saying any fighting is fine because fighting has happened plenty of times. Why retcons are happening is what matters.

You have no confirmed proof. Going on unconfirmed rumors. Such rumors which go against everything we know about how GW operates.

Enclave posted...

Fun thing about fiction is that you can come up with reasons to overcome all those things. It's all make believe after all, they aren't beholden to reality.

Have you not ever taken issue with a dumb addition/retcon to franchise lore that you cared about?

Guide posted...

Female custodians are a dumb thing that makes no sense that they shoved in because of Amazon. Fans have been clamoring for more attention to Sisters of Battle and Sisters of Silence, and then they do this.

@scazarmeltex do you actually care about 40k or is this reactionary arguing? People can be bothered by the same thing for entirely different reasons.

Oh I don't disagree. It seems silly. I'm familiar enough with the lore that I think enclave is right. They should have just been like "they can be custodes now" not "they've been custodes all along". Or done what the fans wanted and done more with the existing female orders like you said.

Thing is, 40k has always played fast and lose with retconning their lore so when people act like they've never done it in this case I tend to think it's just chuds screeching into the void. Like no one threatened to leave the game when The Squats just disappeared from the lore, then were brought back as the Leagues of Votann with everything about them retconned. Or like, the entirety of The Horus Heresy, multiple times.

The largest contingent that I've found that are openly opposed to this are the fascists that exist in the community. Who openly don't even want women playing the game. The ones currently saying shit like "we should have done more gatekeeping".

Deoxxys is a well known chud and I just want to get him to admit that he hates it because it's "woke".

luigi33 posted...

You have no confirmed proof. Going on unconfirmed rumors. Such rumors which go against everything we know about how GW operates.

lol, tell me how GW operates.

And the thing is, it can be for any dumb real world reason. The thing is that the in-universe stuff, the stuff I care about, has had a stupid change. It's not actually a huge deal, yes, but it's a valid thing to complain about. You wouldn't be coming up with poor blanket arguments if you, yourself, weren't invested in perceiving every single person taking an issue with this as some trumpriding chudmarine.

ScazarMeltex posted...

The Squats just disappeared from the lore, then were brought back as the Leagues of Votann with everything about them retconned.

Everyone fights me on this, but while Votann has a cool thing going in a vacuum, they simply don't belong in 40k. Should've been their own thing.

luigi33 posted...

Sorry. WH40k has been retcon'd PLENTY of times. This is no "beginning" just becuase this doesn't fit your chud world view.

"Chud world view".

"I need even more female representation in my oppressive xenophobic totalitarian military regime!"

Raise your vexilla high!

Guide posted...

Everyone fights me on this, but while Votann has a cool thing going in a vacuum, they simply don't belong in 40k. Should've been their own thing.

Oh again, agreed. But 40k's lore is so goddamn bonkers that you just sort of shrug and go "sure...I guess".

Guide posted...

Have you not ever taken issue with a dumb addition/retcon to franchise lore that you cared about?

Depends on how they do it (I maintain the problem isn't the female custodes but rather saying there have always been them). I saw some 40k nerds saying this would have been cool and would have worked (though I don't know near enough about 40k lore to understand this comic at all).

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/5/55e74888.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/f23e18fe.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/1/19437f02.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/2/2e1f3f43.jpg

Now like I said, I don't know enough about 40k to know what this comic even means but it kinda goes along with my point that this is a work of fiction, if they put the slightest effort in they could come up with an explanation that would satisfy anybody who isn't being completely irrational.

deoxxys posted...

Because corporations love to run beloved IPs into the ground after they've milked them dry and forced their mandates.

Just like you love whining about nonsense and making this board worse place. I will again point you to the system boards so you can be angry about this together with the rest of your ilk.

Enclave posted...

Now like I said, I don't know enough about 40k to know what this comic even means but it kinda goes along with my point that this is a work of fiction, if they put the slightest effort in they could come up with an explanation that would satisfy anybody who isn't being completely irrational.

I know it wasn't the intention, but you got me a good laugh, which I think was needed in this topic. This comic is a clever twist as a story prompt, but also entirely impossible unless you want to fuck with a lot of far more important lore.

I fundamentally disagree with your assertion, not just for 40k but for lore in general. There's no inherent property of fiction that can make any given retcon make sense every time.

Yeah, I'm not much of a 40K fan, but my general understanding of it is that the Imperium is generally sorted along gender lines, with groups primarily referring to each other as "brother" or "sister". Now if you want to retcon or take adaptational liberties with your lore, or even introduce an anomaly to it, that's fine, but hard contradicting what you've established & trying to basically gaslight people into believing it was always that way is a BS way to handle your world building & fanbase.

Above all though, my condolences to the 40K fans who have to play host to the next battle of the stupid culture war BS, as people -left & right leaning- who probably never cared about Warhammer before now, show up to push their ideology onto the people who have actually dedicated their time & money to the hobby.

Asking as a WH40K noob here, unlike Spartans, astartes augmentations are not compatible with female biology, right?

And iirc, custodians undergo the same augmentations as astartes?

I know there are people talking in those videos, but all I hear is "Wah! Wah! Wah!"

008Zulu posted...

I know there are people talking in those videos, but all I hear is "Wah! Wah! Wah!"

Are you referring to the videos in my first post?

Cause if so you didn't watch as the second video the guy is positive and just goes over the change.

100% of the people that use "woke" un-ironically are idiots.

I almost think 40k needs an actual good humans faction with democracy and egalitarianism. Because currently Games Workshop keeps sending mixed signals about the horrible fascist dictatorship called the Imperium. They put out a great post a while ago saying the Imperium aren't the good guys and outlining how bad they are, but then people interpret stuff like this as the Imperium being woke or egalitarian or some nonsense. It's a shit situation. You have to balance being the most ruthless corporate force in the miniatures business and extracting maximum profit from customers with hopefully not appearing to downplay the horrors of fascism.

tl;dr: Games Workshop is a really bad company, but it's not because of female Custodes, it's because they're anti-consumer profit maximizers. Female Custodes aren't problematic because women exist, but because the Imperium is a horrible fascist system and we shouldn't think positively of it.

St0rmFury posted...

Asking as a WH40K noob here, unlike Spartans, astartes augmentations are not compatible with female biology, right?

And iirc, custodians undergo the same augmentations as astartes?

They do not. Custodians have no official way that they come about (beyond that it is not the same way as the astartes), but it is highly hinted at that it is a vastly more elaborate process from the ground up and with absolutely no actual lore posing otherwise at to there not being any female custodians. In that vein, it is very much chud "BuT tHeY aRe So MaNlY" BS that says otherwise as they cannot handle women having bulky enough armor that you cannot tell that they have breasts. Because of this there are technically plenty of characters that could have been women the whole time, it's just that coomers expect booba to always be shoved in everyone's faces at all times if they exist at all.

St0rmFury posted...

Asking as a WH40K noob here, unlike Spartans, astartes augmentations are not compatible with female biology, right?

And iirc, custodians undergo the same augmentations as astartes?

Custodes undergo a very different process and the end result is stronger. I don't think there was ever any mention of it being incompatible with women. The lore is always changing, so there isn't some consistent lore, but Custodes we're usually the sons of former nobility. So not recruited from the common people like Space Marines.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/7eeaa07d.jpg

St0rmFury posted...

Asking as a WH40K noob here, unlike Spartans, astartes augmentations are not compatible with female biology, right?

And iirc, custodians undergo the same augmentations as astartes?

Close, but no. Astartes are normal(ish) humans that, if successful in becoming candidates, get mass produced organ n' stuff shoved into them to become Astartes proper. These organs are the ak47 of augmentation: Generic, not perfect, but easy to mass produce and fairly reliable. All this stuff is heavily modified organ clones of clones of clones of Big Daddy E himself. There's the geneseed organ that is harvested from dead marines, which contains the genetic information necessary to keep production steady and stable. Chapters get fucked pretty hard if they lose a lot of geneseed, like losing your password and needing to reformat your drive just to have a drive to work with again.

Custodes were custom-crafted, chosen at first from Thunder Warriors (long story) and then from the infants of good bloodlines. They don't get that prepackaged organ junk. They are heavily modified down to the cell from birth, using rarefied superscience, and (only presumably) dna from Emps himself. They are individualistic, have custom abilities and gear, and serve the Emperor directly. The Astartes do their damnedest to fit in with each other all time and are constantly on the battlefield, taking orders from a chain of command.

Sheesh I meant this to be short. tl;dr Astartes are generic army jeeps, Custodes are souped up, overtuned supercars.