Current Events > Crumbley parents sentenced to 10-15 years in prison.

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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/mother-father-of-michigan-school-shooter-sentenced-to-up-to-15-years-in-prison/ar-BB1llfZa

On the morning of the rampage, both of Ethan's parents were summoned to their son's school after teachers discovered violent messages and drawings on his schoolwork, prosecutors said during the trials.

The Crumbleys were told Ethan needed immediate counseling. But prosecutors said the couple resisted, taking the teen home that day, and didn't search his backpack or ask him about the gun they knew he could access.

Ethan Crumbley was returned to class. He later walked out of a bathroom with the gun and began firing, according to prosecutors.

I presume this is why they got charged? That and easy access to a gun. Usually parents aren't charged this way if their child becomes a school shooter.

Hmm

and thats how the cookie crumbleys

or something idk i didnt read the article

Fuck em. In some ways I think they are kinda more to blame than their son. He tried to get someone to stop him. But nobody was paying attention

They bought him the gun. They refused to get him mental health treatment. They didn't spend much time with him. They didn't keep an eye on how he was doing. They didn't care

Charged151 posted...

I presume this is why they got charged? That and easy access to a gun. Usually parents aren't charged this way if their child becomes a school shooter.

Yeah, it's not unheard of for an adult to essentially buy a gun for their child. The key difference being it's for teaching them how to safely handle, use, and respect it. It's also usually locked away to some degree.

I recall they did something 'similiar', but without the whole safety aspect, by essentially buying a gun for him, knowing he had issues/concerns, and still didn't do anything to prevent/mitigate it. They actually took extra steps in being reckless/stupid, compared to someone having their kid defeat their security methods.

Fair.

Also the people at the school need to be punished too. They should have opened his backpack

At first I thought this was kinda bullshit but after learning about the multiple blatant opportunities they had to stop this from happening that they ignored or downplayed it's extremely fair, next.

Yeah, their wilful negligence resulted in a lot of people dying. It's fair to lay a significant part of the blame on them for what happened.

These parents acted so inappropriately and obtuse to what their son was up too even after being given warnings they deserve a punishment. I mean they were more concerned with getting back to work and didn't even bother to put two and two together that hey, we just purchased our son a gun and he was drawing and writing about violent stuff..

With that said, I'm pretty sure like most other things this will lead to other people being punished even if they didn't have any warnings, or the chance to stop things from happening.. which will lead to people being punished for others actions, which really shouldn't happen at all, as one person can't really control another persons actions..

Good.

Zikten posted...

Also the people at the school need to be punished too. They should have opened his backpack

could the school have legally searched his backpack? How could they have known he had a gun, IIRC the parents didn't even inform the school they purchased him a gun and he would have had access to it..

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If you can't see how this could start seeing people held accountable for others crimes then I don't know what to tell you.. I could go and explain a hundred different situations where something like this could be used as precedent to hold people accountable for another persons' crime but what's the point it would be completely hypothetical until it actually happens..

These parents deserved it,

Honestly the dad deserves it for being stupid enough to threaten the DA/county attorney over his recorded jailhouse calls.

Crumbley? More like crummy.

OrgeLambart posted...

could the school have legally searched his backpack? How could they have known he had a gun, IIRC the parents didn't even inform the school they purchased him a gun and he would have had access to it..

They wouldn't legally be able to search him unless they had suspicion that he was carrying out/about to carry out an illegal act. And that's beside the fact the kid was sent home with the parents and the parents sent him back (from what I understand the kid didn't have the gun the first time).

OrgeLambart posted...

If you can't see how this could start seeing people held accountable for others crimes then I don't know what to tell you.. I could go and explain a hundred different situations where something like this could be used as precedent to hold people accountable for another persons' crime but what's the point it would be completely hypothetical until it actually happens..

These parents deserved it,

Prosecutors do this now getaway drivers get murder charges.

That text from the mom told us everything we needed to know about that household

Fair. Parents should be held accountable for their nutcase kids. I hope they go after the parents of all the gang banger teens in Chicago shooting innocent people.

Good.

chitown82 posted...

Oh cool some unprompted whataboutism to troll

name_unknown posted...

Prosecutors do this now getaway drivers get murder charges.

Different theories (felony murder and aiding/abetting) that aren't apposite here. This case is essentially one of criminal negligence, which is more appropriately described as recklessness/reckless indifference.

Edit: And yeah, post 22 completely missed the mark on the rationale of the indictments and verdicts.

I don't this will be some new trend. The facts of this case are so blatant and out there they are clearly guilty.

I LOVE to see it. Love it. Regardless if you can/can't hold the kid accountable (because they are dead), hold the parents accountable. I know this cannot be the common place every time, but I love that it happened this time.

Not long enough. They could have prevented all the death and destruction their brood brought.

ThePieReborn posted...

Different theories (felony murder and aiding/abetting) that aren't apposite here. This case is essentially one of criminal negligence, which is more appropriately described as recklessness/reckless indifference.

Edit: And yeah, post 22 completely missed the mark on the rationale of the indictments and verdicts.

He does this for every thread I see him post in. Always goes off topic bringing up Chicago crime.

ThePieReborn posted...

Edit: And yeah, post 22 completely missed the mark on the rationale of the indictments and verdicts.

Yeah, they miss the mark on plenty of things, not just this.