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RetuenOfDevsman
04/08/24 11:18:28 AM
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And shapeshifter stories should be kept on a very short leash.

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God_of_6strings
04/08/24 11:19:55 AM
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Anything that has never happened in real life should absolutely NOT be allowed in fiction.
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Daremo
04/08/24 11:20:17 AM
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But we can still time travel to reset things back to status quo, right?

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UnsteadyOwl
04/08/24 11:23:57 AM
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These are like any other narrative elements. They can be part of a good story but they're not a replacement for a good story.

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CARRRNE_ASADA
04/08/24 11:25:07 AM
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I HATE multiverse and time traveling plot lines. Its a license to do whatever the fuck you want with the story instead of being creative.

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Accolon
04/08/24 11:28:24 AM
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I feel like someone needs to do something really creative to shake up the multiverse idea.

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/08/24 11:30:02 AM
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God_of_6strings posted...
Anything that has never happened in real life should absolutely NOT be allowed in fiction.
It's not that.

Let me give you an example.

The Clayface intro episode in The Batman ends when he disguises himself as a normal civilian and disappears into a crowd, with the other characters remarking "He could be anywhere. He could be anyone." Which is kinda cool. Until the next episode, where now for all we know Batman is Clayface in disguise. Or Alfred. Or Yin. Maybe Robin, who is introduced two whole seasons later, is Clayface. Maybe there is no Robin. Because we now have a shapeshifter, we don't know anything for sure anymore, which does not appear to be the point of the work.

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GiftedACIII
04/08/24 11:52:31 AM
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I dislike AUs/multiverses that are very similar to the original universe because they imply that the main characters are always the most important people in every universe and very rarely do other ancient history change, it's just things in the present.
Similarly, not too fond of time travel either although I'm a little more lenient on that.
I love shapeshifters though. Just give them some weaknesses.

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Zikten
04/08/24 11:54:14 AM
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CARRRNE_ASADA posted...
I HATE multiverse and time traveling plot lines. Its a license to do whatever the fuck you want with the story instead of being creative.
What about

Everything, Everywhere, All At Once?
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CARRRNE_ASADA
04/08/24 12:07:48 PM
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Zikten posted...
What about

Everything, Everywhere, All At Once?

Huh, the movie uses it almost in a satiric way. Its not so much concerned on the how and why of the multiverse, but how it serves to delve on philosophical themes.

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DuuuDe14
04/08/24 12:21:39 PM
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The Thing. We still don't know what happens.

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ai123
04/08/24 12:26:49 PM
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They are the current version of ' . . . and it was all a dream'.

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radical_rhino
04/08/24 12:33:01 PM
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I have no problem with Marvel making the multiverse a core part of their current film arc, but everyone else copying them is whats annoying.

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Strider102
04/08/24 12:37:09 PM
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What if alternate universe versions of you feel the same way though?

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Prestoff
04/08/24 12:47:45 PM
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Zikten posted...
What about

Everything, Everywhere, All At Once?

That's a great movie that uses the multiverse as a tool to tell a compelling story. The lazy way to use the Multiverse is the new Dr. Strange movie where it's just cameo trailer bait where there only purpose is to speak in exposition gotta give it to Raimi for killing them off in creative and gruesome ways though.

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GuerrillaSoldier
04/08/24 1:09:02 PM
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i think the opposite. we should get rid of canon and continuity. talk about stifling creativity.


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VampireCoyote
04/08/24 1:10:34 PM
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No the opposite its already too late

the die is cast

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/08/24 1:18:08 PM
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GuerrillaSoldier posted...
i think the opposite. we should get rid of canon and continuity. talk about stifling creativity.
I agree with this also. We should honestly get back to oneshots.

I would go so far as to say every sequel is an unnecessary sequel, or else you wrote the original wrong.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/08/24 1:22:13 PM
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radical_rhino posted...
I have no problem with Marvel making the multiverse a core part of their current film arc, but everyone else copying them is whats annoying

Comics have been doing this for a long time

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Sufferedphoenix
04/08/24 1:24:55 PM
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Yeah time traveling opens up too many questions.

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thronedfire2
04/08/24 1:25:35 PM
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Why are you attacking Fringe like that?

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Frosted_Midna
04/08/24 1:26:16 PM
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Even Mortal Kombat makes me hate it so much!

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action52
04/08/24 1:27:48 PM
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Great in the Spider-Verse movies

Okay in Marvel movies but getting old

Bad pretty much everywhere else I've seen it recently

I'm not necessarily opposed to it going forward but I want it to be a really novel idea or a REALLY funny premise.

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Zanzenburger
04/08/24 1:29:55 PM
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GuerrillaSoldier posted...
i think the opposite. we should get rid of canon and continuity. talk about stifling creativity.
Ehh, I like at least some semblance of continuity in my stories.

A pet peeve of mine growing up was watching Courage the Cowardly Dog and seeing Eustis constantly getting killed or disfigured in gruesome ways and then coming back next episode like nothing happened.

And then I was introduced to South Park... lol

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/08/24 1:35:38 PM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Comics have been doing this for a long time
And it's been stupid for a long time. This is how Spider-Man ends up giving birth to himself and Superboy Prime ends up punching reality in an attempt to make all the plot holes go away.

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Cheater87
04/08/24 1:36:24 PM
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I love alternative history.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/08/24 1:45:20 PM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
And it's been stupid for a long time. This is how Spider-Man ends up giving birth to himself and Superboy Prime ends up punching reality in an attempt to make all the plot holes go away.

You can feel however you want about it. I was just pointing out this has been going on a lot longer than recent Marvel movies and TV shows

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radical_rhino
04/08/24 3:58:05 PM
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Frosted_Midna posted...
Even Mortal Kombat makes me hate it so much!
I had almost forgot how fucking stupid the multiverse story is in new Mortal Kombat.

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Kradek
04/08/24 4:03:03 PM
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Nah, I love the concept when done well. Doing it well, in addition to time travel, just seems challenging for some.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/08/24 10:45:57 PM
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radical_rhino posted...
I had almost forgot how fucking stupid the multiverse story is in new Mortal Kombat.

Damn really?

I prefer multiverse to be used sparingly in main continuity I like it more to be used as a way to tell stories that couldn't be told without it causing plotholes contradictions or just a all around different take on characters like red son superman.

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Kafkaf
04/09/24 12:00:59 AM
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rip Dr. Who, Star Trek, Twilight Zone, etc

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/09/24 12:58:21 AM
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Kafkaf posted...
rip Dr. Who, Star Trek, Twilight Zone, etc
The anthology series is actually the ideal series format, so TZ can stay.

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Very_Snappy
04/09/24 1:03:35 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Comics have been doing this for a long time
And DC did it first, so Marvel is copying them.

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GiftedACIII
04/09/24 7:47:55 AM
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GuerrillaSoldier posted...
i think the opposite. we should get rid of canon and continuity. talk about stifling creativity.

Joke post?

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creativerealms
04/09/24 7:50:40 AM
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There should be no limits to creativity. Yeah I get it it sucks when the same idea is used so much in a short period of time. When that happens people get sick of it. But to make that off limits is the wrong course of action.

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PurpleOutsider
04/09/24 8:01:03 AM
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Prestoff posted...
That's a great movie that uses the multiverse as a tool to tell a compelling story. The lazy way to use the Multiverse is the new Dr. Strange movie where it's just cameo trailer bait where there only purpose is to speak in exposition gotta give it to Raimi for killing them off in creative and gruesome ways though.
No, the main thing that that movie (along with What If...?) shows is how close Dr Strange is to being evil. We've seen two different variants of him literally destroy the entire world. All it took was one change in his past that spiraled out of control. You can't really tell that story with just premonitions, especially with a character as arrogant as Strange. He'd 100% disregard it. He needs to see it for himself.

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MangaBroski
04/09/24 8:02:55 AM
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Multiverses can be really cool and fun ideas when executed right, like in Editing Everywhere All at Once, the Spider-Verse films, and Loki.

Shapeshifter stories dont seem super common. They come up in horror every now and then, and the recent shapeshifter story I can think of was Nimona.
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LonelyStoner
04/09/24 8:08:09 AM
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I wouldnt say never, because Everything, Everywhere, All at Once was a great flick, but Marvel has been incredibly lazy with their multiverse use and they need to knock it off.

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orangefire25
04/09/24 8:10:42 AM
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Rick and morty really started the trend back in 13'

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Sufferedphoenix
04/09/24 8:22:00 AM
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orangefire25 posted...
Rick and morty really started the trend back in 13'

Pretty sure it was common in DC media for a lot longer. One of their best animated movies imo is about the multiverse. It's called crisis on infinite earth's.

The concept is foe every decision made a alternate universe is created where the opposite happens resulting in infinite universes. The villain feels this makes any decision utterly meaningless as the opposite is gonna happenelsewhere. So hebfeels the only decision that can actually carry weight is to destroy the entire multiverse. He gets so close that batman breaks his no kill tule

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/09/24 8:26:17 AM
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orangefire25 posted...
Rick and morty really started the trend back in 13'
If you ignore Mostly Harmless and the prior couple decades in comic books, sure.

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/09/24 8:29:28 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Pretty sure it was common in DC media for a lot longer. One of their best animated movies imo is about the multiverse. It's called crisis on infinite earth's.

The concept is foe every decision made a alternate universe is created where the opposite happens resulting in infinite universes. The villain feels this makes any decision utterly meaningless as the opposite is gonna happenelsewhere. So hebfeels the only decision that can actually carry weight is to destroy the entire multiverse. He gets so close that batman breaks his no kill tule
That was actually the rare exception where it worked. Mostly because they kept it at two and made them different in clearly defined ways.

But no, he doesn't break the rule. He gives Owlman the choice to live or die, and Owlman decides it doesn't matter. Or at least, that Owlman decides it doesn't matter. It's kind of a plot hole, but it makes for a cool ending anyway.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/09/24 8:31:37 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
That was actually the rare exception where it worked. Mostly because they kept it at two and made them different in clearly defined ways.

But no, he doesn't break the rule. He gives Owlman the choice to live or die, and Owlman decides it doesn't matter. Or at least, that Owlman decides it doesn't matter. It's kind of a plot hole, but it makes for a cool ending anyway.

He literally strapped him to a bomb. Also deceived the alt flash into killing himself.

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/09/24 8:37:56 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
He literally strapped him to a bomb. Also deceived the alt flash into killing himself.
Now, the evil Flash is more debatable, but Owlman he absolutely gave the choice

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Sufferedphoenix
04/09/24 8:39:30 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Now, the evil Flash is more debatable, but Owlman he absolutely gave the choice
Sure maybe but he still did it. Something batman normally would not do. Has ever given joker such a option? Normally batsy would just apprehend a person and have em locked up

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RetuenOfDevsman
04/09/24 8:43:21 AM
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Sufferedphoenix posted...
Sure maybe but he still did it. Something batman normally would not do. Has ever given joker such a option? Normally batsy would just apprehend a person and have em locked up
Well, there was the ending of Batman Begins. He didn't even give Ra's a choice. Of course, that was an open and shut case; despite what he says, he absolutely killed Ra's.

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Sufferedphoenix
04/09/24 8:50:44 AM
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RetuenOfDevsman posted...
Well, there was the ending of Batman Begins. He didn't even give Ra's a choice. Of course, that was an open and shut case; despite what he says, he absolutely killed Ra's.

Eh as batman said he just chose not to save him. Which is still out of character

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