Current Events > Michigan Republican congressman suggests nuking gaza.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Trumble posted...

I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.

Well, as long as you wring your hands over it, I'm sure the people dying will be thankful.

Or whatever disingenuous horseshit you've been parading around to call people genocide enablers.

DrizztLink posted...

Well, as long as you wring your hands over it, I'm sure the people dying will be thankful.

Or whatever disingenuous horseshit you've been parading around to call people genocide enablers.

Well don't forget he's also a genocide enabler because he's a tax payer.

Trumble posted...

I'm very curious to know what part of "and even that's not okay" or "hence my lack of support for either candidate" suggests me being on board with it.

Or "I'm not advocating for that either".

Or especially "I'm against that".

Trump will enact the oppressive regime, so in your crusade against voting for Biden, that is the plan you're attempting to enable.

I can bloviate about how murder is bad, but if I preach that message while actively stabbing someone in the chest, I'm sure you can understand the dichotomy there.

Same reason your empty chest beating about Palestine falls flat, it is incongruent with your views about other aspiring fascists.

DrizztLink posted...

Well, as long as you wring your hands over it, I'm sure the people dying will be thankful.

Or whatever disingenuous horseshit you've been parading around to call people genocide enablers.

Take that up with the people actually fucking supporting it, rather than the people who just won't be blackmailed by it into supporting someone they see as awful (less awful, yes, but still awful).

Trumble posted...

Take that up with the people actually fucking supporting it, rather than the people who just won't be blackmailed by it into supporting someone they see as awful (less awful, yes, but still awful).

Hypocrite.

Cemith posted...

Trump will enact the oppressive regime, so in your crusade against voting for Biden, that is the plan you're attempting to enable.

I can bloviate about how murder is bad, but if I preach that message while actively stabbing someone in the chest, I'm sure you can understand the dichotomy there.

No, this would be more akin to saying "you can't talk about murder being bad unless you've actively protected one murderer in order to pin an even worse one".

refmon posted...

I mean it's not too different from what Biden is doing

Holy fuck.

And you guys are wondering why normies aren't listening to pro Palestine protestors? Maybe stop saying unhinged shit.

Trumble posted...

No

Yes.

Trumble posted...

this would be more akin to saying "you can't talk about murder being bad unless you've actively protected one murderer in order to pin an even worse one".

If this is what you think is happening, I have a bridge in the desert to sell you.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/c/ca635474.png

Shadow_Don posted...

Holy fuck.

And you guys are wondering why normies aren't listening to pro Palestine protestors? Maybe stop saying unhinged shit.

Hint: The person you quoted doesn't actually care about Palestinians or anyone else.

Umbreon posted...

Hint: The person you quoted doesn't actually care about Palestinians or anyone else.

I'm not the one getting outraged at people who are unwilling to support a candidate who is supplying weapons knowing they will be used for genocide, then justifying it with "well there isn't enough token statements about the other side that everyone already knows is shit, being shit, so obviously they don't care".

Trumble posted...

I'm not the one getting outraged at people who are unwilling to support a candidate who is supplying weapons knowing they will be used for genocide.

You're just the one insulting COVID victims and downplaying the very real effects that will happen to LGBT people in America, again because you don't know the first thing about America.

DrizztLink posted...

You're just the one insulting COVID victims and downplaying the very real effects that will happen to LGBT people in America, again because you don't know the first thing about America.

Now come up with a claim that you can justify with what I've actually said, rather than only with a strawman of what I've said.

Trumble posted...

I'm not the one getting outraged at people who are unwilling to support a candidate who is supplying weapons knowing they will be used for genocide, then justifying it with "well there isn't enough token statements about the other side that everyone already knows is shit, being shit, so obviously they don't care".

You... weren't even the person that was quoted.

Are you claiming to be refmon? Or do you perhaps protest too much?

Edit: refmon, not Shadow_Don. The latter quoted the former.

Trumble posted...

Now come up with a claim that you can justify with what I've actually said, rather than only with a strawman of what I've said.

I'm telling you exactly what you said.

If it's fucked up, maybe you shouldn't have said it.

Trumble posted...

Now come up with a claim that you can justify with what I've actually said, rather than only with a strawman of what I've said.

It isn't a strawman. I don't think you understand what that word means.

Your views with voting against Biden do not align with your views of helping Palestinians.

You aren't believable in being against genocide because you're complicit in the persecution of minority peoples stateside if Trump wins.

The only reason you think his words don't track is because he's quoting your words, which on their own are completely asinine.

Trumble has made me see the light.

Why should I vote for Biden when I can sit home, watch Trump win, and then get genocided while Israel continues to genocide Palestine.

Joe Biden, who will never run for office again, will feel so owned by millions of Americans killing themselves in solidarity with the dead Palestinians.

hockeybabe89 posted...

Trumble has made me see the light.

Why should I vote for Biden when I can sit home, watch Trump win, and then get genocided while Israel continues to genocide Palestine.

Joe Biden, who will never run for office again, will feel so owned by millions of Americans killing themselves in solidarity with the dead Palestinians.

Truly unrivaled logic.

Cemith posted...

Your views with voting against Biden do not align with your views of helping Palestinians.

I'm pretty sure that "don't vote for a person who is enabling it" tracks perfectly fine with helping them. Doubly so when the ideal scenario is that Biden gets the message and changes course before the election.

There's three possibilities. No pressure is put on him, he continues the current course, Gaza gets genocided. Trump wins somehow, Gaza gets genocided. Those two are the possibilities under your idea of how to approach the situation. The third is that the threat of losing causes Biden to change course, with enough time for the change of course to win him back those votes. Excluding third party, which I now understand is basically impossible outside of the odd candidate like RFK who is an improvement over Trump but worse than Biden, this course of action is the only one that might get a better result. Telling Biden that he will not get votes unless he changes his approach to Israel.

So why the fuck would I advocate for a different one?

refmon posted...

I mean it's not too different from what Biden is doing

Its worse than what Biden is doing.

These "Christians" better hope Jesus doesn't come back because I don't think it would end well for them.

Vyrulisse posted...

These "Christians" better hope Jesus doesn't come back because I don't think it would end well for them.

""Christians"": Yeehaw, let's force the rapture!

Jesus: Okay.

""C"": Sweet, I can't wait to go to heaven and look down on the people I hate an-

Jesus: It is done.

""C"": But I'm still here!

Jesus: Byeeeeeee...

Trumble posted...

I'm pretty sure that "don't vote for a person who is enabling it"

This has already been debunked and you've said as much. You didn't or aren't aware of the Electoral College framework of presidential elections. On their face both candidates support Israel. The difference is one of isn't an aspiring fascist so it's not a wash in thinking he can have his mind changed. The fascist will glass the place.

Trumble posted...

Doubly so when the ideal scenario is that Biden gets the message and changes course before the election.

Again. Trump is not a risk we can't take again as a nation. If you don't understand this, I don't know what to tell you. I believe however bleakly, that Biden may one day see reason. I am 100% sure that will never be the case for Mr. Mangofascist (thank you CEman for that name)

Trumble posted...

There's three possibilities. No pressure is put on him, he continues the current course, Gaza gets genocided

He is facing daily criticism for this, just look at how Americans feel about it. If you think he's getting no pressure, that is wrong.

Trumble posted...

Trump wins somehow, Gaza gets genocided.

Correct.

Trumble posted...

Those two are the possibilities under your idea of how to approach the situation.

It isn't "my idea" it's the binary of the EC system. This isn't up for debate. It is Trump, or Biden. It is one, or the other. Voting Third party is a wash and low vote turnouts overwhelmingly support Republicans. Who, as established, have no qualms erasing Gaza off the map. Meanwhile, and pay close attention, it is still possible to make Biden change course.

Trumble posted...

The third is that the threat of losing causes Biden to change course, with enough time for the change of course to win him back those votes.

If Biden loses, everyone that isn't a rich white male loses. This is another unassailable truth. It isn't a risk that we (not you) as Americans can feasibly take.

Trumble posted...

So why the fuck would I advocate for a different one?

You aren't just advocating for a "different solution" you have and continue to advocate for withholding vote, which, if you've been paying attention, is way too dangerous.

Meanwhile you've been screaming "Genocide Enjoyer!" to anyone who's tried to tell you why withholding votes against a fascist is bad, actually. What you're advocating for in essence, is that Americans chance fascism so that Dems "learn a lesson." It is absurdly selfish and short sighted.
Trumble posted...

In the end, changing your name from DarkTransient to Trumble hasn't changed any of your views. And you are still going to be called out for ultimately advocating for the right-wing party.

The whole "I'm not a righty, I'm fairly left! I just so happen throw the majority of my criticism at the left" schtick just doesn't work, despite how often they try this stuff. It is so transparent.

Saying the quiet part out loud.
Thing is, this is also how Democrats feel. It would be almost merciful, since they know it'll happen regardless, but doing it ourselves would obviously not reflect well on the US.

Trumble posted...

Why waste time on an impossible goal?

You are choosing to take no action to oppose fascism.

if Trump had been president in October Gaza would have already been wiped off the map so he could build a Trump Tower right near the beach.

Bandit_Keith posted...

In the end, changing your name from DarkTransient to Trumble hasn't changed any of your views. And you are still going to be called out for ultimately advocating for the right-wing party.

The whole "I'm not a righty, I'm fairly left! I just so happen throw the majority of my criticism at the left" schtick just doesn't work, despite how often they try this stuff. It is so transparent.

can you confirm this? because it would explain...everything.

thronedfire2 posted...

can you confirm this? because it would explain...everything.

A sockpuppet account wouldn't surprise me.
I've had to atone myself. I tried to use an alt to confuse people about my dumb comments on abortion.

thronedfire2 posted...

can you confirm this? because it would explain...everything.

Circumstantial, but both conveniently have "DarkTransient/Trumble's Guide to X" topics all over the FFX boards.

I feel like comments like this should get you expelled from congress

Dudebusters posted...

Circumstantial, but both conveniently have "DarkTransient/Trumble's Guide to X" topics all over the FFX boards.

search is failing and I'm not gonna go through 400+ pages of topics..but I saw a few Trumble topics in the first few pages

-What if Yojimbo had a Super Zanmato to defeat teh dingo?
-Can Anima fart?
-What's the best way to defeat *spoilers*?[*spoilers* in the OP is 'teh dingo' in his first post] if he's actually from NZ this just seems...racist, lmao.
-Friendly reminder that teh dingo has a butthole.[..or maybe he's just really attached to that meme?]
-Feel my balls! Come, Anima!
-Do fiends poop? (Minor spoilers, I guess?)[his emphasis]
-keep getting game over from stupid fucking enemy[OP says the enemy is a dingo..which isn't a thing in FFX]

I'm not going to waste more time going through the other 400 pages, but this guy has obviously been unhinged for years and is somehow a person from NZ that's racist against Australians.

Who needs FFX?
FF5 is where the cool kids play.

How does that work, it's like nuking Tijuana and not expecting San Diego to get irradiated.

Trumble posted...

Care to name the white supremacist party I supposedly support (might be a hard task given that we barely even have any of those who are relevant)? Or are you just talking out your ass again?

The closest we do have to that, National, are one of the two relevant parties I've never voted for (along with Te Pti Mori).

You support ACT which literally wants to repeal the Treaty of Waitangi, erase the Maori language, and pretend decades and decades of colonialist genocide never happened. That's pretty white supremacist. You'll split hairs about this now just because kiwis are too polite to call a spade a spade

Bro disappeared from the topic.

Ignore Trumble.

Dude can't even participate in US politics.

thronedfire2 posted...

search is failing and I'm not gonna go through 400+ pages of topics..but I saw a few Trumble topics in the first few pages

-What if Yojimbo had a Super Zanmato to defeat teh dingo?
-Can Anima fart?
-What's the best way to defeat *spoilers*?[*spoilers* in the OP is 'teh dingo' in his first post] if he's actually from NZ this just seems...racist, lmao.
-Friendly reminder that teh dingo has a butthole.[..or maybe he's just really attached to that meme?]
-Feel my balls! Come, Anima!
-Do fiends poop? (Minor spoilers, I guess?)[his emphasis]
-keep getting game over from stupid fucking enemy[OP says the enemy is a dingo..which isn't a thing in FFX]

I'm not going to waste more time going through the other 400 pages, but this guy has obviously been unhinged for years and is somehow a person from NZ that's racist against Australians.

Oh, sorry, I guess I could've linked them, yeah?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197344-final-fantasy-x/76852974
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/197344-final-fantasy-x-hd-remaster/79548969

Notice the blatant obsession with Zanmato.

Cemith posted...

Bro disappeared from the topic.

Maybe they're writing that resignation letter

mystic_belmont posted...

Ignore Trumble.

Dude can't even participate in US politics.

Makes it all the stranger. He wants a foreign country overthrown by the far right, what does he gain from it?