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Good rule of thumb to go by when dining out to eat
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Xatrion
04/02/24 6:28:41 PM
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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to look up what those are and why it matters.

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04/02/24 6:29:13 PM
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Cool thanks for the info

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04/02/24 6:35:42 PM
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That statement is mostly true.

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04/05/24 2:30:20 AM
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Xatrion posted...
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to look up what those are and why it matters.
Well when you're in new York city and want to get hot dogs, you should look for the ones marked kosher dogs as you'll know you can eat them because they'll be halal so you won't have to worry about that
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Guide
04/07/24 2:29:32 AM
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Well when you're in new York city and want to get hot dogs, you should look for the ones marked kosher dogs as you'll know you can eat them because they'll be halal so you won't have to worry about that

Knowing what's in your dog just means it's not a real dog tbh

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Zakawer3
04/07/24 2:35:14 AM
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hitokoriX posted...
That statement is mostly true.
Alcoholic beverages are pretty much never halal, but they can be kosher.

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04/07/24 2:39:39 AM
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halal and kosher are ridiculous, it's like saying a food is safe for santa claus.

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Rika_Furude
04/07/24 2:47:59 AM
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Doesnt halal just mean animals are killed more cruelly? Like cows have throats cut and are left to bleed out in pain
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Guide
04/07/24 2:57:56 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Doesnt halal just mean animals are killed more cruelly? Like cows have throats cut and are left to bleed out in pain

I've heard the argument that being hung upside down makes them die "instantly" when they cut the artery, but those bodies keep wriggling for a good while. Could argue the brain is already out cold and it's just muscle spasms, but no matter how you slice it, the knockout looks a lot more peaceful.

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RndmNmber1
04/07/24 3:00:35 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Doesnt halal just mean animals are killed more cruelly? Like cows have throats cut and are left to bleed out in pain

Imagine being this racist.
People has been killing animals and bleed the blood out to preserve meat quality even before Islam created.

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Rika_Furude
04/07/24 3:07:01 AM
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Guide posted...
I've heard the argument that being hung upside down makes them die "instantly" when they cut the artery, but those bodies keep wriggling for a good while. Could argue the brain is already out cold and it's just muscle spasms, but no matter how you slice it, the knockout looks a lot more peaceful.
im not an expert on cow biology but id think that if you cut their throat theyd suffocate. not sure sure if hanging them upside down changes much unless it makes them pass out or something. id assume the hanging upside down bit is to make it so the blood flows out easier more than anything
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Guide
04/07/24 3:15:31 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
im not an expert on cow biology but id think that if you cut their throat theyd suffocate. not sure sure if hanging them upside down changes much unless it makes them pass out or something. id assume the hanging upside down bit is to make it so the blood flows out easier more than anything

Being upside down directs all the blood pressure. Imagine cutting a blocked water hose. It is by far the fastest way to get blood out of a body.


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Tyranthraxus
04/07/24 4:06:18 AM
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I don't particularly see Halal slaughtering as more cruel than slaughtering in general. The "suffers more" is just nit picking. So a cow bleeds to death over 30 seconds instead getting killed first by a kinetic rod and then drained of blood. Big deal. If you have that much of a problem with it you probably shouldn't be eating meat.

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04/07/24 4:34:26 AM
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I'm not superstitious but thanks for the tip.

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Zakawer3
04/07/24 5:25:48 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't particularly see Halal slaughtering as more cruel than slaughtering in general. The "suffers more" is just nit picking. So a cow bleeds to death over 30 seconds instead getting killed first by a kinetic rod and then drained of blood. Big deal. If you have that much of a problem with it you probably shouldn't be eating meat.


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Guide
04/07/24 6:38:18 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
The "suffers more" is just nit picking.

How is that nitpicking? If it is actually suffering for those much of those 30 seconds (which is contestable), then obviously knocking it out first is the more ethical choice and less cruel. I don't think anyone said they had a big problem either way.

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Frolex
04/07/24 7:14:39 AM
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There's a sitcom bit in there somewhere about taking a muslim out to dinner at a jewish deli, but that might be too close to the palestinian chicken episode of curb your enthusiasm

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Foppe
04/07/24 7:21:51 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't particularly see Halal slaughtering as more cruel than slaughtering in general. The "suffers more" is just nit picking. So a cow bleeds to death over 30 seconds instead getting killed first by a kinetic rod and then drained of blood. Big deal. If you have that much of a problem with it you probably shouldn't be eating meat.
If bleeding to death is no big deal, then you got no problems with IDF preventing medics from trying to save kids bleeding to death, right?

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McMarbles
04/07/24 8:55:18 AM
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Revisited posted...
Well when you're in new York city and want to get hot dogs, you should look for the ones marked kosher dogs as you'll know you can eat them because they'll be halal so you won't have to worry about that
Theres like a billion Halal trucks and maybe three Kosher ones though


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TimeForAction
04/07/24 8:55:50 AM
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Good to know, because I was about to convert
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Tyranthraxus
04/07/24 9:02:24 AM
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Foppe posted...
If bleeding to death is no big deal, then you got no problems with IDF preventing medics from trying to save kids bleeding to death, right?

What the fuck does slaughtering an animal for meat have to do with war medics.

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Villain_S_Fiend
04/07/24 9:15:34 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Imagine being this racist.
People has been killing animals and bleed the blood out to preserve meat quality even before Islam created.
I'm curious how you think objections to halal and/or kosher slaughter practices are so racist that it's hard to imagine. I also have objections to tossing live animals into a cooking vessel, or flaying a live frog to serve its still-beating heart. Would you accuse me of being racist for that?

Tyranthraxus posted...
I don't particularly see Halal slaughtering as more cruel than slaughtering in general. The "suffers more" is just nit picking. So a cow bleeds to death over 30 seconds instead getting killed first by a kinetic rod and then drained of blood. Big deal. If you have that much of a problem with it you probably shouldn't be eating meat.
The gap between instant blackout and 30 seconds of suffering before death is enormous, if you give a shit about suffering. If you see the difference between an animal basically being "turned off" and an animal being strung up and bled out in a panic as nitpicking... I dunno, that seems wrong-headed to me.

Obviously there are endless facets of animal farming and slaughter that can be discussed, and imo they're worth being discussed. Dismissing such concerns as "death is death is death and the details don't matter" is disconcerting.

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Tyranthraxus
04/07/24 9:29:53 AM
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Villain_S_Fiend posted...
The gap between instant blackout and 30 seconds of suffering before death is enormous, if you give a shit about suffering. If you see the difference between an animal basically being "turned off" and an animal being strung up and bled out in a panic as nitpicking... I dunno, that seems wrong-headed to me.

Obviously there are endless facets of animal farming and slaughter that can be discussed, and imo they're worth being discussed. Dismissing such concerns as "death is death is death and the details don't matter" is disconcerting.

There are definitely ways to kill animals that are not okay, I just don't think a few seconds of suffering alters the ethical problems of consuming meat in the first place. It's far more concerning how animals are treated when they're being cared for and not the very last seconds of their life.

It's kind of like the death penalty. My problem with the death penalty isn't whether it's done by injection, hanging, firing squad, has, electric chair, or something else. My problem is that it's being done at all.

So as long as livestock is slaughtered efficiently the specific method used doesn't change anything for me. Quick and painless deaths are not suddenly ok if the animal lived a life of suffering beforehand, either.

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Foppe
04/07/24 9:45:43 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...
What the fuck does slaughtering an animal for meat have to do with war medics.
War?
IDF did these things long before Oct 7.

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RndmNmber1
04/07/24 9:46:14 AM
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Villain_S_Fiend posted...
I'm curious how you think objections to halal and/or kosher slaughter practices are so racist that it's hard to imagine. I also have objections to tossing live animals into a cooking vessel, or flaying a live frog to serve its still-beating heart. Would you accuse me of being racist for that?

Rika is specifically singling out Halal, when Kosher did the same method.
Surely you've been here long enough to see how problematic poster he is

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Revelation34
04/07/24 9:47:21 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...


Imagine being this racist.
People has been killing animals and bleed the blood out to preserve meat quality even before Islam created.


Animal slaughtering is a race now?

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teep_
04/07/24 10:07:07 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
Doesnt halal just mean animals are killed more cruelly? Like cows have throats cut and are left to bleed out in pain
Nope, less cruelly. Animals are killed away from the general population (so others don't see it and get scared), and in a single cut to the throat instead of beating them to death

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Villain_S_Fiend
04/07/24 10:14:25 AM
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Tyranthraxus posted...

I'll come back to this later today when I have time to reply more thoughtfully, but I figured I'd just say that I completely agree with a lot of what you said.

RndmNmber1 posted...
Rika
I'm honestly not familiar.

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Rika_Furude
04/07/24 11:30:04 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Rika is specifically singling out Halal, when Kosher did the same method.
Surely you've been here long enough to see how problematic poster he is
This is the stupidest post Ive read today and Ive seen 3 of those topics where enlightened centrists try to justify why trump is good for Palestine
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LonelyStoner
04/07/24 11:32:28 AM
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Xatrion posted...
Thanks, I'll keep that in mind if I ever decide to look up what those are and why it matters.
Halal is a religious word that basically means not enjoyable. Kosher is just a complicated hair splitting way to determine which food the Torah says you can eat. Like only animals with split hooves who chew cud. So pork is out.

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Rika_Furude
04/07/24 11:39:28 AM
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teep_ posted...
Nope, less cruelly. Animals are killed away from the general population (so others don't see it and get scared), and in a single cut to the throat instead of beating them to death
Thanks. I know that its not as if other forms of farming are far more humane, Ive just always known about the throat cutting and was put off a little by it. It doesnt bother me that much though
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RndmNmber1
04/07/24 1:07:38 PM
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Rika_Furude posted...
This is the stupidest post Ive read today and Ive seen 3 of those topics where enlightened centrists try to justify why trump is good for Palestine

You should read your own posts

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Revelation34
04/08/24 6:00:08 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...


You should read your own posts


I'd say calling animal slaughtering a race to be a really stupid post.

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RndmNmber1
04/08/24 8:13:02 AM
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Revelation34 posted...
I'd say calling animal slaughtering a race to be a really stupid post.

Racists always never realized being a racist.
It's obvious he's singling out Halal, which directly means Islam.

What, you gonna use the tired excuse of "Islam is not a race?"

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Foppe
04/08/24 8:34:50 AM
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What is it with turning everything into a race question?


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Hospy
04/08/24 8:55:23 AM
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teep_ posted...
Nope, less cruelly. Animals are killed away from the general population (so others don't see it and get scared), and in a single cut to the throat instead of beating them to death
With regards to meat being slaughtered in the western world, the only difference is that the animal must be conscious at the time of slaughter, ie without the use of electrical or mechanical stunning.

Exsanguination is the method of killing the animal in both cases and separating animals by the use of blinds is an industry norm.
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Serious_Cat
04/08/24 9:04:01 AM
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Are kosher foods inherently halal as well or are we just talking general types of food?

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Beany
04/08/24 9:06:36 AM
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Zakawer3 posted...
Alcoholic beverages are pretty much never halal, but they can be kosher.

Pretty much? When would they ever be halal? (Not meaning to sound rude; genuinely asking.)

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Tyranthraxus
04/08/24 9:19:07 AM
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Beany posted...
Pretty much? When would they ever be halal? (Not meaning to sound rude; genuinely asking.)

Iirc alcohol is ok if there's so little of it you can't possibly get drunk. I think it's also ok if it's not drank for amusement. Like medicine with alcohol in it should be ok.

This isn't the case for pork.

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Revelation34
04/08/24 10:13:22 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...


Racists always never realized being a racist.
It's obvious he's singling out Halal, which directly means Islam.

What, you gonna use the tired excuse of "Islam is not a race?"


Facts are excuses now?

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C_Pain
04/08/24 10:16:25 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...
Racists always never realized being a racist.
It's obvious he's singling out Halal, which directly means Islam.

What, you gonna use the tired excuse of "Islam is not a race?"
So if an objectionable practice is limited to a race, you can't critique it or you're racist?

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RndmNmber1
04/08/24 11:47:44 AM
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C_Pain posted...
So if an objectionable practice is limited to a race, you can't critique it or you're racist?

Except it doesn't.
Halal slaughter is almost exactly the same with kosher slaughter, with small difference that Halal requires praying for the the animal.
And even then, the practice of bleeding the animal is already practiced by the hunters for millenium.

Revelation34 posted...
Facts are excuses now?
Say it you coward, i dare you to use the excuse that's been used by racists for ages.
Say "Islam is not a race, so I'm not racist"

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Revelation34
04/08/24 11:53:09 AM
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RndmNmber1 posted...


Except it doesn't.
Halal slaughter is almost exactly the same with kosher slaughter, with small difference that Halal requires praying for the the animal.
And even then, the practice of bleeding the animal is already practiced by the hunters for millenium.

Say it you coward, i dare you to use the excuse that's been used by racists for ages.
Say "Islam is not a race, so I'm not racist"


Why would anybody say those exact words?

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Rika_Furude
04/08/24 4:42:07 PM
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Hes a troll, stop feeding him
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Trumble
04/08/24 4:50:35 PM
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The mask is slipping a bit there, Rika...

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lilORANG
04/08/24 4:51:37 PM
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Remember that eating certain foods isn't a sin because we poop it out.

Praise Jesus for ridding us of those silly food restrictions.

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Rika_Furude
04/08/24 4:52:01 PM
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Trumble posted...
The mask is slipping a bit there, Rika...

Its absurd to think you expect me to genuinely consider his post and offer a rebuttal
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Revelation34
04/08/24 5:18:53 PM
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lilORANG posted...
Remember that eating certain foods isn't a sin because we poop it out.

Praise Jesus for ridding us of those silly food restrictions.


It was really just a food safety issue back then which doesn't apply today. People only get sick now from improper handling.

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04/10/24 12:00:55 PM
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Revelation34 posted...
It was really just a food safety issue back then which doesn't apply today. People only get sick now from improper handling.
... *squints at literal global pandemic caused by improper handling*
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