Board 8 > CYOF Mafia Day 2.1

(+) Yeah! (+)

Could be

The POE is still the same

Probably just 3p Kirby if so and its still those 3

Who else did you consider scanning Mzero?

I think you should just shoot Kirby honestly. Chris is more glorious but Kirby can't really be town with the current POE and he might be able to kill you if he's lying. Better to be sure you live.

Would that mean Ulti and Kirby faked that way too long conversation about "you said FD wasn't scum!" "I also said he wasn't town!" "Ha you see you said he wasn't scum", ad nauseum. Because that would be a war crime.

What's like, the endgame of a scum Kirby soft claiming D1 and medium claiming D2? It seems really easy to just not do that and then win easily. I really don't think it would be very easy to figure out that random people are getting sick from sharing a lynch with Kirby. I know Scare and Ulti killed themselves, but surely this scum team can't all be as martyr heavy as town last game

Hey, let's not forget the ultimate martyr from last game, Scum Peaf

Enchantress posted...

Who else did you consider scanning Mzero?

I considered Chris and FD but I was always leaning pretty heavily Ulti unless someone made a very convincing argument

It's pretty funny that we know Ulti's flip, before he died, which he allegedly has now. And none of that is because of the day vig shot. Just a big hamster like of crazy powers

I definitely have more Super Cool Powers left and scum should definitely kill me ASAP tee hee

Seeing Chris so assertive about I think Kirby is probably 3p and he needed to claim as he did to not be dead.

Like he can't go super aggro and have 5 people claim they're sick. He just get lynched.

If he tries to play in a "pro town" way he has a chance.

However there is a chance he is actually scum and his ability might also not be passive and he might have intentionally day poisoned you.

What we know

Kirby lied about wanting to poison me because he could have easily done so. The claim that he thought BCT was on the table as a lynch is complete bullocks.

Why are we trusting his word about anything. He is scheming something. Shoot him and prevent the schemes.

Like I'm sick of everyone saying scum plays perfectly

Scum gets away SO OFTEN because people assume scum always knows what they're doing.

Why not just kill the liar

Like here's a hypothetical

If Ulti knew what he was doing why would he not name some scum in his meteor and bus them, get town cred, and win at endgame.

Because scum doesn't know how to use complex abilities sometimes. Just like town doesn't.

Kirby's ability as described seems difficult to pilot. But it also doesn't seem townlike and we know he's lying about what his intentions have been with it. Why is he lying if he's town?

Lopen posted...

If Ulti knew what he was doing why would he not name some scum in his meteor and bus them, get town cred, and win at endgame.

technically cant rule this out

You put me on the hit list! Talk about rude

Lea you should shoot Kirby

Lopen posted...

##Unvote:

Are you stupid
Ulti is scanned scum. What is wrong with you

Kirby321 posted... 1.240

I'm still waiting for host confirmation that the Meteor thing was actually legit.

Obellisk posted... 1.241

why does that even matter?

UltimaterializerX posted... 1.242

Its not. You can save your time lmao

Kirby321 posted... 1.244

Oh.

Well, now I'm back to not having a damn clue how to even analyze this game beyond MZero very likely being town from locking down Lopen's vote.

Kirby321 posted... 1.250

LMAO
Well that's pretty damning. I guess Ulti must be scum by his own admittance.

##Vote: Ulti

Between 1.244 and 1.250 was sbell quoting ulti saying as town I dont lie about my role lol

And lastly

Kirby321 posted... 1.280

I think the last time was when I rolled Scum Prostitute in GameFAQs Mafia and got lynched D1.

I have yet to roll scum since I started playing here again.

UltimaterializerX posted... 1.281

FD said this last game !!

wallmasterz posted... 1.284

Kirby I need your take on ulti.

Looking town. I think youre trying to look town but I dont think it looks town.

Kirby321 posted... 1.295

My take on Ulti is that he is a player in this game and that he exists.

Gonna be mad if Lea is scum. I swear she's the only one who uses logic and reason to make conclusions >_>

Though I have to admit I still don't trust FD. He's highly unlikely to be scum (why focus on lynching me instead of someone on Ulti's list?), but I'm not so certain that FD's motives are town-aligned. What's up with these voting powers that came out of nowhere? Why is he being cryptic about it?

Not that it really matters since it seems we've fulfilled the conditions he requires anyway, unless Lopen's absurd unvote screwed it up.

In any case, do any of you guys wanting me dead seriously see my interactions with Ulti and Scare as scum? Honestly, I'm willing to bet someone trying to push my lynch is scum just because my role could spell trouble for them if I happen to infect someone and then they'd have to find any manner of excuse to avoid being on the same vote as me.

tl;dr lot of early interaction between Kirby and Ulti, Kirby suggests Ultis meteor being real would have helped him analyze the game (lmao), lazy bus by Ulti on 1.281. I was on the scent which is why I asked in 1.284 but figured to sit on this unless/until we got a scum flip on one of them.

And Kirbys neutral response on Ulti is not exactly great. You think his meteor role being real provides magical analytical value, but you have no opinion on the guy himself?

... I think it's Wallz. I dunno where his anti-Kirbyism came from, but those are some awfully weak arguments to present against me lol

In case it wasn't clear, my vote on Ulti was a meme. I presumed SBell was also poking fun at Ulti basically admitting he was scum by not lying about his role. But it was Day 1, so of course I didn't have a strong read on Ulti. I thought me barely having reads on Day 1 is the whole reason everyone keeps thinking I'm scum as soon as the day starts :P

wallmasterz posted...

And Kirbys neutral response on Ulti is not exactly great. You think his meteor role being real provides magical analytical value, but you have no opinion on the guy himself?

My guy he literally claimed the meteor wasn't real until Day 2. You quoted me from Day 1.

And I can assure you, if I had time traveling powers IRL, y'all wouldn't stand a goddamn chance in any Mafia game with me lol

Your vote on Ulti isnt the problem its your whole interaction.

Kirby321 posted...

My guy he literally claimed the meteor wasn't real until Day 2. You quoted me from Day 1.

Yes because saying well Ultis role is made up so I have no idea how to go about analyzing this game is a scum post if Ive ever seen one.

nothing but love for you Kirby but you are scum.

No but you see I said FD isn't scum but not town either, therefore I said that FD is definitively town and I'm scum for knowing that.

Am I going insane or is everyone just looking to strawman me to death lol

Editing this because I posted in the wrong thread.

This reminds me of the epic time someone (jc I think?) posted Mario tells Cappy to hit Pamela or else!!! in a mafia thread

Kirby321 posted...

Are you stupid
Ulti is scanned scum. What is wrong with you

Wait who scanned him

Corrik7 posted...

Wait who scanned him

MZero day scanned him
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/8-gamefaqs-contests/80729902/979565248

Well what a thing to wake up to. So Ulti is confirmed scum. Good scan Mzero.

Some key things I remember from Ulti

He didn't hesitate to think Wallz claim of being Miller if he gains his extra vote seemed legit. Not questioning it after his burial of Lea last game for not instantly claiming Miller is suspect

Also was the first to go oh cool BCT is confirmed town. Yes I kinda thought it seemed that way too. But Ulti was the first to do that. And you guys really pointed out why I was wrong.

Sultan what do you think of my thoughts on Kirby?

Also you didnt really say what you think Ultis actions mean about me or BCTs alignment, kind of another saying something but also nothing post tbh

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan what do you think of my thoughts on Kirby?

Also you didnt really say what you think Ultis actions mean about me or BCTs alignment, kind of another saying something but also nothing post tbh

Let me go look at the thought still kinda catching up.

Also it doesn't look Good for you or BCT but it's not exactly damning it is exactly one of those things you just kinda want to point out and look further into and make sure others know as well.

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Let me go look at the thought still kinda catching up.

Also it doesn't look Good for you or BCT but it's not exactly damning it is exactly one of those things you just kinda want to point out and look further into and make sure others know as well.

I dont think either of those things mean anything. I think Ulti would have bussed me if I was scum. Calling BCT confirmed town raises an eyebrow but its nai because Ulti could do it for a scummate or trying to pocket BCT.

BCT is definitely in the poe but it means nothing. Could absolutely see Ulti town siding there.

wallmasterz posted...

I dont think either of those things mean anything. I think Ulti would have bussed me if I was scum. Calling BCT confirmed town raises an eyebrow but its nai because Ulti could do it for a scummate or trying to pocket BCT.

BCT is definitely in the poe but it means nothing. Could absolutely see Ulti town siding there.

wallmasterz posted...

I dont think either of those things mean anything. I think Ulti would have bussed me if I was scum. Calling BCT confirmed town raises an eyebrow but its nai because Ulti could do it for a scummate or trying to pocket BCT.

BCT is definitely in the poe but it means nothing. Could absolutely see Ulti town siding there.

Eh I dont nessisarily agree with this. I mean got to figure out what Ulti this is. Ulti plays one of a few ways as scum just trying to figure out its Ulti is usually a big busser as scum. So you do have that in your favor tbh

Also the Kirby thoughts may be your best of the game. Kirby day 1 was a bit awkward but like je pointed out it was all day 1. I may want to look more at day 2.

I do remember Ulti's attack on Kirby from today saying someone can't think that someone is either town or 3rd party but not scum is scummy.

And basically pushed that no someone you think is 3rd party they must be scum or 3rd party town is no longer possible.

Could have been a poor bus attempt.

Confirmed scum: Ulti
Unconfirmed scum: Kirby
Scum lean: Sultan
???: Chris, Corrik, Lopen, FD, bct
Looking town: Lea, sbell, mzero

Assuming four scum left, Ulti is one, Kirby is one, leaving two in Sultan/Chris/Corrik/Lopen/FD/BCT

Ill admit Im liking Lopen more now. If Im right about Sultan being one my guess now is BCT or FD. Take away the n1 game and BCT has nothing in his favor. FD is being weird/coy as hell. Unfortunately Corrik has given us nothing and Chris is slightly better but only just. I wonder though if scum, if Corrik or Chris would be more involved? And Ulti holds Chris in such high regard, perhaps Ulti plays with more confidence if scum with Chris? Thats a matter of opinion but yeah I think Ulti was a little shy this game.

is six non-town players too many considering town only has one vanilla?

Man I want to say if Wallz is Scum we kill Sbell.

Has had sbell locked town since day 1 for a very weak reason.

Sultan does your butt hurt from all this fence sitting

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan does your butt hurt from all this fence sitting

What fence sitting? I've been pushing you all day. While giving thoughts on others. You seem a bit panicked

TheSultanOfSlam posted...

Eh I dont nessisarily agree with this. I mean got to figure out what Ulti this is.

I may want to look more at day 2.

Could have been a poor bus attempt.

^^^

Your post is all it could have been this and I may want to look at this and I got to figure this out

Luckily for you Lea is too kind to shoot you with a bullet forged from your own hand lol

wallmasterz posted...

Sultan does your butt hurt from all this fence sitting

Also this seems like a well oh i have a scum read on you let me make some more excuses to keep it rather than a true scum read but I digress

wallmasterz posted...

^^^

Your post is all it could have been this and I may want to look at this and I got to figure this out

Luckily for you Lea is too kind to shoot you with a bullet forged from your own hand lol

Humoring you is fence sitting now?? K

I apologize if that was too harsh or rude. I appreciate you responding to me. But I have noticed some players use a lot of weak/non-committal phrases as scum so seeing all that in one post stood out to me.

wallmasterz posted...

I apologize if that was too harsh or rude. I appreciate you responding to me. But I have noticed some players use a lot of weak/non-committal phrases as scum so seeing all that in one post stood out to me.

I mean the post before I did say it was your best thoughts so far in the game soo anyways I WILL go look at day 2 Kirby

I look forward to it, Sultan. Hopefully, you can present some actually compelling arguments for being scum, rather than the weaksauce that's been brought up so far

Mettaing here but Um Kirby's role sounds oddly like my rule I had on the cyberid overhaul game in FOL.

Where I was 3rd party ultimate plauge Vendor.

Igcd replaced out of the game but I beleived followed it

Terrible Metta but the way he described it seems very similar

This was my role

You are a [Neutral] Ultimate Plague Vendor
[Passive: Poison Immunity]
[You are completely unaffected by the Mafia Factional Anti-Claim. You cannot be roleblocked. You survive the first time you are attacked at night phase.]
Passive: Plaguebearer
You start the game bearing the plague. As long as you are alive, any player bearing the plague can spread the infection by visiting or getting visited by other players. The plague is not a modifier; it cannot be removed. The plague cannot be cured and will not show up on flip. You will not learn who has been infected by the plague at the start of each night. If all living players are infected by the plague, then [Active: An Early Death] would no longer be 1-Shot.
Active: Free Infections!
Each night, you may target another player and give them one [Item: Green Potion] without infecting them with the plague. Players who consume [Item: Green Potion] will be immediately infected by the plague. You may not target the same player more than once.

Item: Green Potion
Once per game at night phase, you may heal yourself from any attacks on this night. You may not perform another action while consuming this item. This item will decay within two nights. (E.g. if you receive a Potion at N1, then it will disappear at the end of N3 if not drunk by that time.)

Active: An Early Death
Once per game at night phase, you may target two other players. If they are infected by the plague, then they will die at the beginning of the night, negating any actions they planned to perform. You will not be seen visiting those players, and this attack cannot be stopped. However, this ability will do nothing to targets uninfected by the plague. If all living players are infected, then you may use this ability each night.
You win by living until you are part of the final four players. Upon reaching this win condition, everyone else will lose and you will achieve Solo Victory. However, if the other three living players are all Mafia members, then you will lose instead.

Finally, some good fucking food

... Yeah I don't have a solid argument against that. My role isn't quite the same (it's quite different, actually), but I can see the resemblance and why that'd make you wary.

I can assure you that my role is town-aligned, though.

Kirby321 posted...

Finally, some good fucking food

... Yeah I don't have a solid argument against that. My role isn't quite the same (it's quite different, actually), but I can see the resemblance and why that'd make you wary.

I can assure you that my role is town-aligned, though.

It definitely took me rereading it to good uh uhh this does sound familiar.