Current Events > Trump Trials General Part 12: The path to either Justice or Anarchy.

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Alucard188 posted...

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1770472764152877168?t=thupi-5KI8Fm76pk882L-A&s=19

Not sure what deposition this is for, but here we have actual testimony that Rudy was working with Russian propagandists.

CableZL posted...

https://twitter.com/Sky_Lee_1/status/1770491817617695031

Amazing how we can have these depositions out in public but, for whatever reason, republicans think the stuff Hunter Biden says is sooooo super duper top secret stuff that they can only do his in private... after saying they would do them publicly and Hunter accepting those terms.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1770536527883391434

Habba refuses to say if foreign interests were contacted about helping fund Trump's judgement's.

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1770536527883391434

Habba refuses to say if foreign interests were contacted about helping fund Trump's judgement's.

so they obviously were

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1770536527883391434

Habba refuses to say if foreign interests were contacted about helping fund Trump's judgement's.

Translation: "I can't admit that there is."

Can't wait for Alina Habba to face disbarment

https://twitter.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/1770549907142668514

The Sedition Hunters still doing great work.

I'm convinced the only reason Trump hired Habba is because she vaguely looks like his daughter.

Mearcstapa posted...

I'm convinced the only reason Trump hired Habba is because she vaguely looks like his daughter.

He hired Habba because she fucked over that one woman that was sexually harassed.

CableZL posted...

Can't wait for Alina Habba to face disbarment

In jail aswell

Mearcstapa posted...

I'm convinced the only reason Trump hired Habba is because she vaguely looks like his daughter.

Right down to the giraffe neck. But yeah, no, he like attractive lawyers, regardless of their abilities. I'll post the pics later. Don't get me wrong, he still will hire real talent, but the ones he wants on camera and closest to him, he makes sure they are attractive to him.

Is it true Trump may not have enough assets to cover the bond/judgement?

CSCA33 posted...

Is it true Trump may not have enough assets to cover the bond/judgement?

If the properties he is trying to sell have been leveraged to more than they are worth, than selling them would net him negative money, on top of having to pay taxes on the sale of them.

I think that selling any of them would result in negative money.

mystic_belmont posted...

If the properties he is trying to sell have been leveraged to more than they are worth, than selling them would net him negative money, on top of having to pay taxes on the sale of them.

I think that selling any of them would result in negative money.

So basically the problem he runs into is what got him into this mess in the first place, more or less.

CSCA33 posted...

So basically the problem he runs into is what got him into this mess in the first place, more or less.

"i financially mismanaged my way into this mess and ill financially mismanage my way out"

DrizztLink posted...

"i financially mismanaged my way into this mess and ill financially mismanage my way out"

"Just keep digging."

mystic_belmont posted...

"Just keep digging."

"Dig up, stupid!"

TomClark posted...

"Dig up, stupid!"

"But if I keep going, I might end up somewhere that doesn't have an extradition treaty."

This is apparently the full list of properties they're looking to seize, according to Newsweek:

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/7/776b93a2.jpg

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/8/8a3a9e48.jpg

Jesus thats a lot of golf clubs.

I'm still curious as to why his tax valuation is low but his credit valuation is high.

You pay taxes on what something is worth, not what you say it's worth. You can't tell the state or city that your home is worth $10,000 and expected to get taxed on that then turn around and leverage it as worth tens of millions. That's not how property taxes work.

If MAL is worth 18 billion, then his property tax in WPB should be astronomical, not lower than what I pay for a 1800 square foot house.

ClayGuida posted...

I'm still curious as to why his tax valuation is low but his credit valuation is high.

You pay taxes on what something is worth, not what you say it's worth. You can't tell the state or city that your home is worth $10,000 and expected to get taxed on that then turn around and leverage it as worth tens of millions. That's not how property taxes work.

If MAL is worth 18 billion, then his property tax in WPB should be astronomical, not lower than what I pay for a 1800 square foot house.

You don't tell the State what your property is worth for purposes of property tax, they tell you, and then you can argue with them if you think the assessor was too high. Trump's numbers though are business valuations, so the value of the property plus whatever income it can generate. So the State likely values all of his properties much lower than what he is using in his business valuations ( in of itself not unusual, local assessors generally undervalue properties against what it would really get on the market) and he has an outlandish sense of self worth and penchant for outright lying that drive his figure for income generated to astronomical proportions.

Those other business owners hand-wringing about they could be next is because it is pretty much standard to lie on all these things because they are derived from assessments and not facts, but Trump took it to a whole new level of bullshit. Hopefully not all of them are as crooked as him, but well...

I was under the impression that you couldn't run for president if you have a huge debt. Is this true? Because if it is, then that would disqualify him from running.

Bishop9800 posted...

I was under the impression that you couldn't run for president if you have a huge debt. Is this true? Because if it is, then that would disqualify him from running.

The only requirements for being president is being a natural born citizen, 35 years, and a resident for 14 years.

That is it.

realnifty1 posted...

You don't tell the State what your property is worth for purposes of property tax, they tell you

He was telling them though, in NYC and in Florida. Cohen testified to this. It's also why the judge ruled that MAL was worth like 18 million instead of 18 billion, because that's the number that Trump's people told whatever 'yes man' that did the tax valuation of it.

CSCA33 posted...

Jesus thats a lot of golf clubs.

And it's been reported in the past that almost all of them are massive money losers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2022/01/05/trump-has-now-lost-more-than-100-million-at-his-european-golf-resorts/?sh=5640eda3463f

This was two years ago on the ones in Scotland.

This idiot is the only guy to bankrupt a casino they are usually money makers

Bishop9800 posted...

I was under the impression that you couldn't run for president if you have a huge debt. Is this true? Because if it is, then that would disqualify him from running.

it just usually cant be done if you arent already rich because of how expensive campaigning is. But theres no actual wealth requirement

Tyranthraxus posted...

No he's got another golf course in ireland.

He's also got one in Scotland, and you'll never guess what's going on there. Suffice to say, Letitia James and the Deep State have an international division and they're bringing charges of fraud against Trump there too.

TheGoldenEel posted...

f*** that guy, its long past time to send him to prison

Amen!

The next couple days will pretty much tell it all. Trump likes to wait until the last day to do things, so we'll see if he really can't pay the bond.

mystic_belmont posted...

The only requirements for being president is being a natural born citizen, 35 years, and a resident for 14 years.

That is it.

Yeah, you could literally be a convicted cannibalistic serial killing pedophile and still be eligible for POTUS as long as you meet those requirements.

Very unlikely you'd win, obviously, however doesn't stop you from running.

Kradek posted...

Yeah, you could literally be a convicted cannibalistic serial killing pedophile and still be eligible for POTUS as long as you meet those requirements.

Very unlikely you'd win, obviously, however doesn't' stop you from running.

Id argue the very unlikely part. Remember Matt Damons famous speech in Good Will Hunting that Trump went on to stress test and prove?

Kevin O'Leary does not want to be asked to cover Trump's debts.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2hELPr2JVg

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1770536527883391434

Habba refuses to say if foreign interests were contacted about helping fund Trump's judgement's.

Given how many Russians are under sanctions right now, imagine if Trump accepted money from them. The half billion dollar fine would be the last of his worries.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

This idiot is the only guy to bankrupt a casino they are usually money makers

That reminds me of this lincoln project ad

https://youtu.be/yWf0u-ivyoY?si=ZOrEQ4yGN3CdaUJP

darkace77450 posted...

He's also got one in Scotland, and you'll never guess what's going on there. Suffice to say, Letitia James and the Deep State have an international division and they're bringing charges of fraud against Trump there too.

Looks like I misremembered and they're both in Scotland. Regardless Scotland isn't going to be any more friend to trump than Ireland.

Kradek posted...

Yeah, you could literally be a convicted cannibalistic serial killing pedophile and still be eligible for POTUS as long as you meet those requirements.

Very unlikely you'd win, obviously, however doesn't stop you from running.

Well hold on now, let's not jump to conclusions. Is he running as a republican?

Were_Wyrm posted...

I always love the "if I get in trouble for breaking the law then others will too" excuse.

It's like they don't realize that "getting in trouble for repeatedly and flagrantly breaking the law" should be a thing for anyone.

mybbqrules posted...

It's like they don't realize that "getting in trouble for repeatedly and flagrantly breaking the law" should be a thing for anyone.

"If this can happen to Trump it can happen to anyone!"

Yes that's exactly the point. Anyone who flagrantly lies on property valuations should face severe consequences.

What are the chances that Trump is fraudulently overvaluing his properties in attempt to get a bond to pay the fine for fraudulently overvaluing his properties

CableZL posted...

What are the chances that Trump is fraudulently overvaluing his properties in attempt to get a bond to pay the fine for fraudulently overvaluing his properties

I don't think he's doing that because no one is going to accept his property as collateral after that case.

Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, not a whiff of Parna implicating high level Republicans in lies on r/conservative.

Instead they're talking about how Bublinski (or whatever that dumbfuck's name is) was allegedly "running circles" around AOC so bad she had a breakdown.

I guess smugly backtalking as you get told how ridiculous and bullshit your made up lies and accusations are is "running circles" around someone.

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Please do! Being in a different time zone to the US means I generally have to get caught up by reading threads like this, otherwise I miss all the juicy stuff.

So, if the Supreme Court rules against trump on presidential immunity, what be the consequences to past presidents?

I know it be based on the scope, but I do think it will splash and hit a few others (Bush jr. And maybe Clinton would be affected).

They'll probably narrowly define duties within the scope of the office and extracurricular duties outside of the scope. Anything Bush Jr. and Clinton did were within the narrow confines of the presidential office. Everything Trump is being tried for is outside of that focus because trying to overthrow an election and running away with thousands of documents is outside of the scope of his presidential duties.

Alucard188 posted...

They'll probably narrowly define duties within the scope of the office and extracurricular duties outside of the scope. Anything Bush Jr. and Clinton did were within the narrow confines of the presidential office. Everything Trump is being tried for is outside of that focus because trying to overthrow an election and running away with thousands of documents is outside of the scope of his presidential duties.

that makes sense

texanfan27 posted...

that makes sense

Clinton having sex with a subordinate would be out of the scope of his duties as President. Bush golfing would be in the scope.

Alucard188 posted...

They'll probably narrowly define duties within the scope of the office and extracurricular duties outside of the scope. Anything Bush Jr. and Clinton did were within the narrow confines of the presidential office. Everything Trump is being tried for is outside of that focus because trying to overthrow an election and running away with thousands of documents is outside of the scope of his presidential duties.

They can also just not interpret anything and say the president only has civil immunity and not criminal immunity.