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luigi33
03/04/24 12:05:03 AM
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They gotta know its Joever, right? Like, Switch is nearing the end of its life and no SUPER major releases are left for its console. No more Zeldas or Marios. Yuzu pretty much can run all of Switch's major titles better than an actual Switch can. Even if they stop the main devs from doing updates, Yuzu already has a huge percentage of compatibility among Switch libraries.

Is this more to stop people from pursuing a Switch 2 emulator?

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Kim_Seong-a
03/04/24 12:07:08 AM
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I've seen some speculation that Switch 2 will be close enough to the Switch that developers could conceivably do a Dolphin-> Gamecube/Wii kind of thing.

But even then it's not like Yuzu is the only emulator so it's odd that they'd single them out if piracy was really their concern.

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ssjevot
03/04/24 12:07:55 AM
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They have pretty much ignored all the emulators because everyone seemed to be under the tacit agreement not to explicitly tell people how to pirate games or to ask for donations for better compatibility with newly pirated games. Yuzu did those things. They aren't going after other Switch emulators that don't do those things. This is sort of uncharted legal territory, because the previous case was an emulator that explicitly could not be used for piracy.

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JimmyFraska
03/04/24 1:09:04 AM
#4:


luigi33 posted...
Is this more to stop people from pursuing a Switch 2 emulator?
100%
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superbot400
03/04/24 10:09:21 AM
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luigi33 posted...
They gotta know its Joever, right? Like, Switch is nearing the end of its life and no SUPER major releases are left for its console. No more Zeldas or Marios. Yuzu pretty much can run all of Switch's major titles better than an actual Switch can. Even if they stop the main devs from doing updates, Yuzu already has a huge percentage of compatibility among Switch libraries.

Is this more to stop people from pursuing a Switch 2 emulator?

its because they are building a legal framework to attack Yuzu and other emulators. They would lawsuits against Soulja boy console and Rom Sites in the past. Their argument isnt that emulators are illegal. But rather that emulators are bypassing encryptions drm rights.

If Nintendo wins they can use this precedent to go afree all Android emulator boxes and get them out of business. Their only competitor would be Steamdeck and PC handheld.

their end game is more then just the switch.


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luigi33
03/04/24 1:07:28 PM
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superbot400 posted...
its because they are building a legal framework to attack Yuzu and other emulators. They would lawsuits against Soulja boy console and Rom Sites in the past. Their argument isnt that emulators are illegal. But rather that emulators are bypassing encryptions drm rights.

If Nintendo wins they can use this precedent to go afree all Android emulator boxes and get them out of business. Their only competitor would be Steamdeck and PC handheld.

their end game is more then just the switch.
And then emulators start getting developed in countries that care not for copyright.

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superbot400
03/04/24 1:26:35 PM
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Damn it looks like Yuzu folks are settling. That means Nintendo will start suing other emulators .

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Irony
03/04/24 1:27:28 PM
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Nintendo are Akuma in Tekken 7

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hereforemnant
03/04/24 1:30:34 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Damn it looks like Yuzu folks are settling. That means Nintendo will start suing other emulators .
Did you pull this source out of your anus? The trial hasn't even started yet it's only been a week or two since it was announced

Okay this happened ten fucking minutes ago lol
https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/4/24090357/nintendo-yuzu-emulator-lawsuit-settlement

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Ratchetrockon
03/04/24 1:33:02 PM
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Totk's sales got robbed

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Prestoff
03/04/24 1:36:33 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Damn it looks like Yuzu folks are settling. That means Nintendo will start suing other emulators .

Wait what? When did this happen?

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Trelve
03/04/24 1:37:41 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Damn it looks like Yuzu folks are settling. That means Nintendo will start suing other emulators .
It's the other way around really. Yuzu took a bullet so this doesn't have to go to court. If it went to court and Nintendo won, then emulation in general would be at risk.
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Prestoff
03/04/24 1:41:25 PM
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hereforemnant posted...
Okay this happened ten fucking minutes ago lol
https://www.theverge.com/2024/3/4/24090357/nintendo-yuzu-emulator-lawsuit-settlement

lol I just saw this. That has got to be one of the fastest settlements I've seen for this type of stuff. I'm guessing the lawyers for the Yuzu guys was basically telling them to do this for whatever reason.

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Foppe
03/04/24 1:42:09 PM
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superbot400 posted...
Damn it looks like Yuzu folks are settling. That means Nintendo will start suing other emulators .
They went after Yuzu because they did two things that other emulators didnt.
Promote piracy and hide updates that makes unreleased games run better behind paywalls.

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mario2000
03/04/24 1:46:40 PM
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Foppe posted...
They went after Yuzu because they did two things that other emulators didnt.
Promote piracy and hide updates that makes unreleased games run better behind paywalls.

why the fuck would they do that

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DarkChozoGhost
03/04/24 1:51:35 PM
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They let things go for awhile so the technology can advance. Then they take it to improve their own software.

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Foppe
03/04/24 1:53:58 PM
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mario2000 posted...
why the fuck would they do that
greed?

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2Pacavelli
03/04/24 1:56:20 PM
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Damn it they paid 2.4 million then I wonder how much they made off of building the emulator in total
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2Pacavelli
03/04/24 1:57:58 PM
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Foppe posted...
They went after Yuzu because they did two things that other emulators didnt.
Promote piracy and hide updates that makes unreleased games run better behind paywalls.

Yeah that legally sounds like they crossed a fine line. Other emulator developers don't do things like that

This may embolden Nintendo though to go after other emulators
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luigi33
03/04/24 2:01:38 PM
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2Pacavelli posted...
Yeah that legally sounds like they crossed a fine line. Other emulator developers don't do things like that

This may embolden Nintendo though to go after other emulators
They would have far weaker argument to go after.PS3 or lower devs especially considering they don't really profit from it unlike Yuzu.

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superbot400
03/04/24 4:20:40 PM
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Foppe posted...
They went after Yuzu because they did two things that other emulators didnt.
Promote piracy and hide updates that makes unreleased games run better behind paywalls.
Yuzu ****ed up, but the issue is that they gave Nintendo legal precedent to sue other emulators if they do similar things.

The good new Ryujinx is Brazil. The bad new is that Yuzu also worked on Citra.

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Crimsoness
03/04/24 4:22:02 PM
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Both Yuzu and Citra were open source and their files have already been made available online if you know where to look
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03/04/24 9:01:30 PM
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2Pacavelli
03/04/24 9:55:43 PM
#23:


Yuzu devs sold out 100%

They used to get payed from supporting new released and unreleased games via paid exclusive access

But now in their statement they put all the blame on the fans line they weren't the ones that took advantage and actually incentivized the behavior based on their payment set up and practices
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WingsOfGood
03/04/24 9:56:58 PM
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palworld devs sweating

just kidding ofc
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pnut027
03/04/24 9:59:21 PM
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Prestoff posted...
lol I just saw this. That has got to be one of the fastest settlements I've seen for this type of stuff. I'm guessing the lawyers for the Yuzu guys was basically telling them to do this for whatever reason.
Well its either settle or lose for a billion dollars.

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FZeroMaster
03/04/24 10:03:24 PM
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lol, pathetic losers use software to steal, brag about it, think they are big brain sticking it to Nintendo, then Nintendo come around and make bank suing the software makers.
Smart move pirates!

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WingsOfGood
03/04/24 10:12:21 PM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
In Japan they put you in prison for just making Let's Play Videos

really?
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ssjevot
03/04/24 10:12:47 PM
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WingsOfGood posted...
really?

No.

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ExtremeLuchador
03/04/24 10:27:04 PM
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Anyone who puts those Emulator files back up will just get DMCA'd now.

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luigi33
03/04/24 10:31:52 PM
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ExtremeLuchador posted...
Anyone who puts those Emulator files back up will just get DMCA'd now.
Nah, doesn't work like that. They can be torrented just like anything else. Switch emulation community will be live and well in spite of this. You already can download the latest patch and there already has been a anon group who announced that they will support future updates for Yuzu.

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Zwijn
03/04/24 10:39:27 PM
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Good riddance. Emulation is great but I prefer it as a scene, the company behind Yuzu was scummy and greedy. We dont need their ilk.
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luigi33
03/04/24 10:43:44 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Good riddance. Emulation is great but I prefer it as a scene, the company behind Yuzu was scummy and greedy. We dont need their ilk.
In spite of that Yuzu can and will continue with updates, just from different people. Everybody wins, right?

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Zwijn
03/04/24 10:48:58 PM
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luigi33 posted...
In spite of that Yuzu can and will continue with updates, just from different people. Everybody wins, right?
Yep, but if someone starts making a profit from it I hope they get taken down as well.
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VeggetaX
03/04/24 10:49:52 PM
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So where do we stand on the logic behind "Its about preservation but we made millions off it"?

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luigi33
03/04/24 10:50:51 PM
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Zwijn posted...
Yep, but if someone starts making a profit from it I hope they get taken down as well.
Fair.

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legendarylemur
03/04/24 11:01:00 PM
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First off, it's like with the Palworld thing, these lawsuits always take an eternity to happen. They're gathering impeccable evidence before doing anything. That's just gonna be the same for any corp, but there were a lot of people who were like how come they're not doing anything about it?

They knew most of the facts behind the case as well as the Yuzu crew did, and they let Yuzu off easy because Nintendo also acknowledged that most of the main team specifically put patches in place that prevents piracy. But as a company (they are an LLC), they knowingly profited off piracy via Patreon and were basically given an effective C&D.

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Killmonger
03/04/24 11:59:05 PM
#38:


luigi33 posted...
In spite of that Yuzu can and will continue with updates, just from different people. Everybody wins, right?
Not even 24 hours and theres a fork, lol.

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Trelve
03/05/24 3:17:13 AM
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tremain07
03/05/24 4:36:55 AM
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The only thing yuzu did wrong as leave enough evidence on discord

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Crimsoness
03/05/24 4:39:03 AM
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FZeroMaster posted...
lol, pathetic losers use software to steal, brag about it, think they are big brain sticking it to Nintendo, then Nintendo come around and make bank suing the software makers.
Smart move pirates!
I'm sure Nintendo will acknowledge and reward you soon for your defense

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VeggetaX
03/05/24 7:55:54 AM
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Crimsoness posted...
I'm sure Nintendo will acknowledge and reward you soon for your defense
And yuzu will also reward you for coming to their defense

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Ragtag28
03/05/24 7:58:53 AM
#43:


mario2000 posted...
why the fuck would they do that
They really really stupid

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Foppe
03/07/24 10:58:25 AM
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Yuzu settled to avoid discovery. It would have come out that Yuzu devs were dumping roms and distributing them amongst themselves to ensure pre-release date compatibility of major releases. Also they were collecting user info. Sorta makes Yuzu look a whole lot less heroic, don't it?

https://twitter.com/HikikomoriMedia/status/1764894963194597458?s=20


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