Current Events > The "ideal" woman requirements goes VIRAL. Sparking backlash

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Turbam posted...

I'm sure that this isn't viral at all

It's okay, I've got a real viral one.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/3/350f9afc.jpg

Gladius_ posted...

People shit on men on CE who make sexist and generalized statements. If someone makes a comment saying "I have never had a girlfriend or sexual partner and the struggle is real :("

They receive advice and sympathy. If you say .

"I have never had a girlfriend because women are too picky and obsessed with money."

You are going to get ridiculed.

As for the bold? Women who generalize men DO get ridicule both in online social media and CE. So you're lying. Work on yourself.

The issue with the advice angle is assuming there's a problem with the target's behavior to begin with. It's entirely possible to be a perfectly fine person who just isn't desirable to the opposite sex due to gendered expectations.

SecretBase posted...

I just don't like that every time a guy posts something dumb about women people use it as an excuse to shit on men who can't get laid. Women don't have to deal with that.

I mean women are more likely to get called a "prostitute", "whore" and "slut" than guys...so there's the trade off there.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/9/998378bd.jpg
thats only one X. Id say thats viral

SecretBase posted...

The issue with the advice angle is assuming there's a problem with the target's behavior to begin with. It's entirely possible to be a perfectly fine person who just isn't desirable to the opposite sex due to gendered expectations.

Yeah, I'm not seeing this as your problem.

@SecretBase

I just don't like that every time a guy posts something dumb about women people use it as an excuse to shit on men who can't get laid. Women don't have to deal with that.

Because, people trying to insist that men can have their own hardships and such try to downplay that sexism towards women are either:

A. Non-existent today.
B. Who don't concern themselves with bigotry unless it's them on the receiving end.

Let's not forget victim blaming, the fake geek girl s**t or that double standard that a guy going around and having sex is a player. But those same guys will label a woman damaged goods or a slut.

> high morals

> not woke

Pick one

Prestoff posted...

I mean women are more likely to get called a "prostitute", "whore" and "slut" than guys...so there's the trade off there.

There is a massive feminist movement fighting those slurs.

Villain_S_Fiend posted...

> high morals

> not woke

Pick one

Nice. Yeah makes me think of a favorite line from Dragon Ball Z Abridged.

"I said I'm with the government. I never said anything about being a good person."

Why is she posing like alice margatroid from touhou project

@SecretBase

There is a massive feminist movement fighting those slurs.

That doesn't mean their problems are over though.

Get back to me when say abortion vetoes are outlawed 100%.

SecretBase posted...

There is a massive feminist movement fighting those slurs.

And there is a massive incel movement saying those words. It's a give and take: one fights for women's rights, the other pretends like the fact that they aren't able to get laid is on the fault of someone else.

Im a big piece of shit so I need a woman on that level

@ellis123

And there is a massive incel movement saying those words. It's a give and take: one fights for women's rights, the other pretends like the fact that they aren't able to get laid is on the fault of someone else.

Thank you.

@SecretBase
Plus people like SB who think apathy sexism towards women is a concern beneath them while still demanding a pat on the back for not being a direct part of the problem.

- conservative
- hates degenerates

I guess that would make her self loathing as well.

Antiyonder posted...

B. Who don't concern themselves with bigotry unless it's them on the receiving end.

I argued a lot more for other people's problems before I realized not only was there no reciprocation, but a lot of those people made themselves obstacles to for the groups I'm member to as well. It's extremely hard to maintain one-way sympathy.

"Has healthy relationship with her father..."

Wait, what? The rest I am familiar with seeing with posts like this but that is a new one.

@SecretBase

I argued a lot more for other people's problems before I realized not only was there no reciprocation,

In other words "I'm doing something considerate. Throw a damn parade in my honor!".

Yeah. Either strive to do right or keep out of it while accepting any shade thrown at you.

Ignoring the religious non-woke shit because that speaks for itself, I'm gonna need some clarification on only into marriage

Does that mean she's not into hookups or casual dating or whatever or she's ONLY into her marriage, like no hobbies or whatever. Because with people like this, both are valid answers and those are two different ballparks

There are a couple other points (like how I think that dress is ugly, at least on this little cartoon thingy) but this is not my ideal woman

SecretBase posted...

I argued a lot more for other people's problems before I realized not only was there no reciprocation, but a lot of those people made themselves obstacles to for the groups I'm member to as well. It's extremely hard to maintain one-way sympathy.

And that's how it goes. A normal person would recognize that they were the problem and improve themselves, an incel will demand that others stop being mean to them and let them have sex with whichever women they like with no regard to the woman.

Antiyonder posted...

In other words "I'm doing something considerate. Throw a damn parade in my honor!".

Common decency should be mutual. Don't exaggerate the point.

ellis123 posted...

And there is a massive incel movement saying those words. It's a give and take: one fights for women's rights, the other pretends like the fact that they aren't able to get laid is on the fault of someone else.

The incel "movement" is not big, has no power, and has existed for a fraction of the time as feminists.

ellis123 posted...

And that's how it goes. A normal person would recognize that they were the problem and improve themselves,

This is an example of the nonsense I'm refering to. When an inequality effects a woman it's a society problem, when an inequality effects a man it's his problem.

@SecretBase

Common decency should be mutual. Don't exaggerate the point.

Even so, if kindness is a trait you rescind cause you don't get what you want, them you weren't really kind to begin with.

This is an example of the nonsense I'm refering to. When an inequality effects a woman it's a society problem, when an inequality effects a man it's his problem.

Just answer my question with a yes or no. Are you saying that improvements made mean that sexism towards women are minimal?

The incel "movement" is not big, has no power, and has existed for a fraction of the time as feminists.

Then why are bans (or attempts) on abortion and birth control not being shutdown?

Antiyonder posted...

Even so, if kindness is a trait you rescind cause you don't get what you want, them you weren't really kind to begin with.

Well I'm not gonna be kind to people screwing me over.

Examples can be seen in politics. Some progressives were fully onboard with Democrats but when they saw party leaders would do anything to keep their guys away from the leaderships they backed off. Some Palestine sympathizers were fully onboard with Dems but when they saw the president doing anything his power to arm their occupiers they backed off.

It doesn't matter that the Dems are still supporting a lot of groups that need it, they fucked over that individual's specific group so of course the individual no longer helps.

Antiyonder posted...

Just answer my question with a yes or no. Are you saying that improvements made mean that sexism towards women are minimal?

That is beyond the scope of the discussion. I'm referring to a specific set of issues completely detached from the broader total of issues. So to be clear, I didn't say anything about that.

Antiyonder posted...

Then why are bans (or attempts) on abortion and birth control not being shutdown?

That has literally nothing to do with incels. This is part of why I opppse calling everyone you don't like an incel.

Charged151 posted...

"Has healthy relationship with her father..."

Wait, what? The rest I am familiar with seeing with posts like this but that is a new one.

It's basically a chud talking point that if a daughter has a bad relationship with her father that she'll become a slut or some stupid shit.

@SecretBase

That is beyond the scope of the discussion. I'm referring to a specific set of issues completely detached from the broader total of issues. So to be clear, I didn't say anything about that.

That has literally nothing to do with incels. This is part of why I opppse calling everyone you don't like an incel.

Kind of does. You asked why girls/women don't get a similar label like incel and it's cause many of us debate on whether girls/women really are on equal ground with us in terms of rights.

And yeah, I think attempts to ban abortion and birth control proves they don't have full rights, thus why it's hard to blame girls/women not being so charitable.

Well I'm not gonna be kinda to people screwing me over.

By screwing you over, do you mean they bully/insult you or they just don't go out of the way to perform a grand gesture for you?

Because a woman denying you sex for opening the door or such does not count.

Antiyonder posted...

You asked why girls/women don't get a similar label like incel

Femcel.

Hopefully we're done with that particular line of reasoning.

Antiyonder posted...

By screwing you over, do you mean they bully/insult you

For pointing out inequalities, yes.

SecretBase posted...

For pointing out inequalities, yes.

If you would stop evading certain questions/comments you'd see why people doubt that they have equal respect.

Heck take victim blaming. It's basically taking scorn off a sexual predator by telling women to be more on guard, but then later complaining that they don't give "nice guys" a shot.

Gladius_ posted...

Even here the only thing you are being attacked on is lying

I've lied about nothing.

Gladius_ posted...

You went to compare incels to feminists

No, someone else brought up incels in response to me bringing up feminists. I contrasted the groups.

Gladius_ posted...

Yes you have. You have directly stated that women who generalize men or have unrealistic standards aren't called out for it.

Nowhere was that stated. You're misremembering the posts. I haven't deleted any, so anyone can go back and check if confused.

Gladius_ posted...

Regardless, doesn't matter. Incels, as in by the modern definition as those that belong to the incel community, as hateful misogynists that do not seek to help themselves but to bring women down and deserve absolutely no sympathy.

I've only ever said that the production of incels to begin with is something avoidable in an environment of perfect equality. Peoples' commitment to equalizing some things but the shunning of anyone who wishes for the equalization of other things sets the stage for the chaos.

SecretBase posted...

Why do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?

bsp77 posted...

Why do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?

Promoting equality is not embarrassing.

SecretBase posted...

Promoting equality is not embarrassing.

Agreed. Why I like Gladius

SecretBase posted...

Promoting equality is not embarrassing.

Dang, you're right.

I mean, it's a complete non-sequitur, but you are right that promoting equality isn't embarrassing.

bsp77 posted...

Why do you enjoy embarrassing yourself?

Dunno about that guy but personally it distracts me from my pain for a moment. I may want to die (not literally mods) after my posts but at least I don't feel like death (again not literally mods) and I can push through the day again. Every day fam.

"Talks to men till it's work related."

I don't think whoever wrote this understood what they were writing.

Asherlee10 posted...

In what way?

I was simply making a literal comment referring to how if men and women were treated exactly the same in life I doubt there would be a significant portion of one gender bitter about the blessings of the other.

On a more realistic level, people being more receptive of complaints regarding social inequalities facing men, and less enthusiastic about punching down towards men (ex. calling literally every misogynist an incel, so as to associate a lack of dating success with misogyny, when many intimately unsuccessful men are good people and many men who actively date are terrible), would lessen the chances of the impacted men becoming disgruntled and radicalized.

@SecretBase

Peoples' commitment to equalizing some things but the shunning of anyone who wishes for the equalization of other things sets the stage for the chaos.

No. The concern is that hardships that guys may face are arguably being brought up to dismiss the fact that women don't have a full 1 to 1 equal rights.

Antiyonder posted...

No. The concern is that hardships that guys may face are arguably being brought up to dismiss the fact that women don't have a full 1 to 1 equal rights.

If someone called an issue you face a distraction not worth addressing obviously you'd be reluctant to cooperate with them.

@SecretBase

If someone called an issue you face a distraction not worth addressing obviously you'd be reluctant to cooperate with them.

So you're not bringing your concerns up then to dismiss women? Yes or no.

Heck, do men have legal restrictions similar to veto of abortions, or the fake geek girl label?

the growing "fetaal personhood" movement has the potential to impair the freedom of both men and women, but it specifically disempowers women to an extreme, physically and with government enforcement

Gladius_ posted...

Really?

This is also untrue

In that excerpt I'm complaining about the women making the posts not being mocked specifically for being unable to get laid. I didn't say they weren't criticized at all.

Gladius_ posted...

I can find other instances of you saying incorrect stuff that isn't true but I think two examples suffice.

There's not a single topic I've seen about the subject here where someone didn't assume the guy was the problem instead of the lopsided environment.

Gladius_ posted...

You also claim you don't lie but you have been lying continuously on the grounds that "no one is doing anything about inequality towards men and that's why these incels went the route they did."

I was referring specifically to how men are rarely allowed to speak out about social inequalities without someone making it a referendum about his own perceived personal failings.

Gladius_ posted...

The only one's who are going to help them are ironically the feminists they attack.

That's not going to be the common understanding by them when by your own admission social progress promoted by feminists contributed to a rise of women's standards (which these men feel have climbed beyond the average woman's own offerings), AND that feminist messaging have contributed to their own developing of passive tendencies that aren't sexually attractive to women (ex. "I was told to be nice but in actually women are attracted to even jerks over me if they're assertive and stuff").

SecretBase posted...

that feminist messaging have contributed to their own developing of passive tendencies that aren't sexually attractive to women (ex. "I was told to be nice but in actually women are attracted to even jerks over me if they're assertive and stuff").

Jesus fucking Christ.

SecretBase posted...

There's not a single topic I've seen about the subject here where someone didn't assume the guy was the problem instead of the lopsided environment.

Even in your strongman-ing of your own argument it's still a complaint about not being able to have sex.

Decide whether I should be laughing or groaning.

@Gladius_

Agreed on your post.

In fact that's why I think victim blaming is something that should be especially receiving a scorn.

Like I said, it feels like a way to discourage women from being free and able to enjoy themselves without feeling scared.

But that talk can lead to them unwilling to trust any guy afterwards, and to insist that a sexual predator can't control themselves, it's a dismissal of guys who have such control. So victim blaming is basically throwing the respectable guys under the bus to defend the scummy man.

ellis123 posted...

Even in your strongman-ing of your own argument it's still a complaint about not being able to have sex.

Decide whether I should be laughing or groaning.

Sexless relationships are a thing. It's about social isolation in general.