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02/24/24 3:01:28 PM
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Trumble
02/24/24 4:33:43 PM
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Shootings other than mass shootings (war, targeted attacks, self defence, accidents, etc) are unaffected. Fictional depictions are also unaffected.

Money is untaxed 'murica dollars.

Edit: Clarification given later on how it works:
Anyone who would otherwise have gone to a location with a gun and started shooting everyone (or a specific subset of everyone, like targeting a particular race), they will instead go with a knife and start stabbing the same general kind of targets. It could play out completely differently in terms of who is or isn't a victim, how many, etc. Given that it's a stabbing rather than shooting, it is very likely to have less victims and less severe injuries.

Basically, the timelines first diverge with the person taking a knife instead (but otherwise remain the same), then once the attack starts, it's a totally seperate timeline.

Further edit: It could also be another stabbing weapon rather than a knife (spear, sword, etc).

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BloodMoon7
02/24/24 4:34:31 PM
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Why'd you delete the first one

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Enclave
02/24/24 4:35:53 PM
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Does this last forever or just during my lifetime?

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02/24/24 4:36:10 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
Why'd you delete the first one
Because I put the wrong poll options (take it vs leave it, instead of money vs no money) out of habit. Usually my ones are "money but X", not "money or X".

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02/24/24 4:37:04 PM
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Enclave posted...
Does this last forever or just during my lifetime?
It's permanent.

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ablegator
02/24/24 4:37:49 PM
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Oh I get it. How clever.

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Enclave
02/24/24 4:38:11 PM
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Trumble posted...
It's permanent.

Shit, the greater good demands I take the stabbings instead of money.

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Kradek
02/24/24 4:38:30 PM
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I normally go with money, however "mass stabbings" objectively have a higher survival rate and this time I'll forego my selfishness if it prevents the devastation that comes from the deaths of mass shootings

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008Zulu
02/24/24 4:38:50 PM
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I'll take the cash. It's the governments job to protect it's constituents.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:39:49 PM
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Needs more details.

Is it a one for one... Mass shooting death victims just become stabbing death victims, instead? Do they only get stabbed once for every time they were shot? How does it translate?

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Sheiky-Baby
02/24/24 4:40:24 PM
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The fuck is this topic.

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Trumble
02/24/24 4:42:15 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Needs more details.

Is it a one for one... Mass shooting death victims just become stabbing death victims, instead? Do they only get stabbed once for every time they were shot? How does it translate?
Anyone who would otherwise have gone to a location with a gun and started shooting everyone (or a specific subset of everyone, like targeting a particular race), they will instead go with a knife and start stabbing the same general kind of targets. It could play out completely differently in terms of who is or isn't a victim, how many, etc. Given that it's a stabbing rather than shooting, it is very likely to have less victims and less severe injuries.

Basically, the timelines first diverge with the person taking a knife instead (but otherwise remain the same), then once the attack starts, it's a totally seperate timeline.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:43:45 PM
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Trumble posted...
Anyone who would otherwise have gone to a location with a gun and started shooting everyone (or a specific subset of everyone, like targeting a particular race), they will instead go with a knife and start stabbing the same general kind of targets. It could play out completely differently in terms of who is or isn't a victim, how many, etc. Given that it's a stabbing rather than shooting, it is very likely to have less victims and less severe injuries.

Basically, the timelines first diverge with the person taking a knife instead (but otherwise remain the same), then once the attack starts, it's a totally seperate timeline.

Thanks for the clarification.

As much as I'd love the money, I'd take the stabbing option. It's much tougher to do mass damage with a knife, and easier for people to take such a person down.

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2Pacavelli
02/24/24 4:43:49 PM
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Money because mass stabbings are just as horrific
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BoyOfBattle
02/24/24 4:44:14 PM
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i take the money and continue to point and laugh at lolmerica

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Kradek
02/24/24 4:44:28 PM
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Trumble posted...
Basically, the timelines first diverge with the person taking a knife instead (but otherwise remain the same), then once the attack starts, it's a totally separate timeline.

I'm glad you were logical with it. I hate when people think you can change one significant detail and an alternate reality would be exactly the same just minus that detail.

Like, the Las Vegas Shooter wouldn't have been able to get that body count if he was stabbing people and it would be completely nonsensical to say he would have because that's our current timeline's body count.

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Kradek
02/24/24 4:45:23 PM
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2Pacavelli posted...
Money because mass stabbings are just as horrific

Shut the fuck up, they have a way higher survival rate and an easier time of disarming/stopping the assailant.

People who seriously try to equate the 2 in severity can't fuck off hard enough.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:45:30 PM
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2Pacavelli posted...
Money because mass stabbings are just as horrific

Please post literally any mass stabbing that has been as horrific as the common mass shooting.

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creativerealms
02/24/24 4:45:36 PM
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No money. There would be far less deaths in our world and it would be a better place because of it.

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Enclave
02/24/24 4:45:54 PM
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2Pacavelli posted...
Money because mass stabbings are just as horrific

They really REALLY aren't.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:46:42 PM
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Kradek posted...
I'm glad you were logical with it. I hate when people think you can change one significant detail and an alternate reality would be exactly the same just mins that detail.

Like, the Las Vegas Shooter wouldn't have been able to get that body count if he was stabbing people and it would be completely nonsensical to say he would have because that's our current timeline's body count.

Yeah, this is honestly why I asked, in case it was a bit of an illogical trick.

Respect to the TC for actually being logical with it, honestly.

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Trumble
02/24/24 4:47:08 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
Please post literally any mass stabbing that has been as horrific as the common mass shooting.
I get where he's coming from in the sense that for someone actually present at one (let alone surviving victims), or afraid of encountering one, it would be comparably traumatic. However, there would still be a huge difference in loss of life / number and severity of physical injuries, just not as much difference in mental health impact.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:48:28 PM
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Trumble posted...
I get where he's coming from in the sense that for someone actually present at one (let alone surviving victims), or afraid of encountering one, it would be comparably traumatic. However, there would still be a huge difference in loss of life / number and severity of physical injuries, just not as much difference in mental health impact.

To be fair, I do think there would be a potential difference in mental health impact, since a mass stabber would be taken down by people much more quickly than a mass shooter would, and thus the range of people impacted, even if only mentally and not physically, would be lower. In a mass shooting, anybody within the radius is going to be mentally impacted, since they can hear the shooting. With a stabbing, only people right there, visually witnessing it, would be impacted as much.

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Trumble
02/24/24 4:48:55 PM
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StealThisSheen posted...
To be fair, I do think there would be a potential difference in mental health impact, since a mass stabber would be taken down by people much more quickly than a mass shooter would, and thus the range of people impacted, even if only mentally and not physically, would be lower.
That's a good point tbh.

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CosmicShadows
02/24/24 4:49:28 PM
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Surprised mods haven't gotten this topic yet. Lol

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02/24/24 4:50:23 PM
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CosmicShadows posted...
Surprised mods haven't gotten this topic yet. Lol
For what? It's a typical "big money or improve the world greatly" poll, just with the catch that the improvement is just an improvement, not outright perfection.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:51:46 PM
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CosmicShadows posted...
Surprised mods haven't gotten this topic yet. Lol

Nah, I think it's a fair topic. I was suspicious, but when I asked for details, TC's response was above board. They didn't try to equate shootings to stabbings, they legit said "The person has a knife instead of a gun, and thus the result changes accordingly."

I get it's a grim topic, but I don't think it's trolling or anything.

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Imit8m3
02/24/24 4:54:27 PM
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Enclave posted...
They really REALLY aren't.
Actually, it depends on the knife. A pocket knife would be much less horrible, yes. But how about a machete or a sword? If you get limbs / heads amputated its no longer less horrific.

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ai123
02/24/24 4:57:04 PM
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I know the scenario is to exchange shootings for stabbings, but that isn't how it would play out in real life.

Every mass shooter would not have just picked up a knife instead. Guns allow for distance mass killing with very little effort. Knives require getting up close, and a lot of physical effort.

A knife just doesn't fuel the deranged power fantasies of the weak in the way that a gun does. You can't stalk around like a character in an action movie, picking off your targets and terrorizing. You're basically in a physical fight the whole time.

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02/24/24 4:57:28 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
Actually, it depends on the knife. A pocket knife would be much less horrible, yes. But how about a machete or a sword? If you get limbs / heads amputated its no longer less horrific.
It would still likely have fewer victims, at least. It would certianly be just as horrific - maybe even more so in some cases - for the individual survivors (including witnesses who weren't personally injured) in cases like what you describe.

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DrizztLink
02/24/24 4:57:30 PM
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ai123 posted...
I know the scenario is to exchange shootings for stabbings, but that isn't how it would play out in real life.
ya don't fuckin' say

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02/24/24 4:58:32 PM
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ai123 posted...
I know the scenario is to exchange shootings for stabbings, but that isn't how it would play out in real life.

Every mass shooter would not have just picked up a knife instead. Guns allow for distance mass killing with very little effort. Knives require getting up close, and a lot of physical effort.

A knife just doesn't fuel the deranged power fantasies of the weak in the way that a gun does. You can't stalk around like a character in an action movie, picking off your targets and terrorizing. You're basically in a physical fight the whole time.
For the purpose of this hypothetical, anyone who would have carried out a shooting does indeed carry out a stabbing instead. There's no change to their willingness to conduct the attack; only to their weapon and thus the outcomes.

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StealThisSheen
02/24/24 4:58:52 PM
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Imit8m3 posted...
Actually, it depends on the knife. A pocket knife would be much less horrible, yes. But how about a machete or a sword? If you get limbs / heads amputated its no longer less horrific.

A smaller knife would actually be easier to do damage with, since it takes less effort to cause damage. A machete or sword, for example, require you to swing, not stab, and thus it's much easier to avoid and/or stop, due to the increased arm movement. Yes, the machete/sword would do more damage if they hit, but you're also going to be stopped much sooner. A knife does less damage, but is easier to use. A machete/sword do more damage, but they're easier to avoid and/or stop. So, in essence, I don't think it'd make a huge difference.

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Sephiroth_C_Ryu
02/24/24 5:00:11 PM
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How does the magic change apply to what happens when civilization collapses? Would gun violence after government ceases to function cease being "mass shootings" or would people just continue to use knives for violence regardless of it being more survival than statement.

Edit: had said the same thing twice at first.

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