Current Events > Those of you who sometimes get modded, do you always appeal?

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do you?

No, only when it's bullshit stuff like when Isreal started ethnically cleaning and I got modded for saying what type of boot they must wear and more recently when I said the government should make it illegal for two consenting adults to have a romantic relationship.

Kai_Laguna posted...

No, only when it's bullshit stuff like when Isreal started ethnically cleaning and I got modded for saying what type of boot they must wear and more recently when I said the government should make it illegal for two consenting adults to have a romantic relationship.

but it was upheld though? not sure what you were saying though, you wanna illegal for two consenting adults.....?

Smallville posted...

but it was upheld though? not sure what you were saying though, you wanna illegal for two consenting adults.....?

It was upheld, and sorry, phoneposting, it should be "shouldn't make it illegal".

Kai_Laguna posted...

It was upheld, and sorry, phoneposting, it should be "shouldn't make it illegal".

why was that modded though? makes no sense

Kai_Laguna posted...

it should be "shouldn't make it illegal".

Was this the whole you being down with incest thing?

ItsNotA2Mer posted...

Was this the whole you being down with incest thing?

It was.

i used to just b/c the only mods i ever interacted w/ for like 20 yrs were on lue, and the only active ones there i disliked on a personal level
but ce mods are pretty chill so i quit

Kai_Laguna posted...

It was.

oh.....but you never mentioned that in your previous post though

Smallville posted...

oh.....but you never mentioned that in your previous post though

Still fucked up because the argument against it is the same crap used to oppose gay marriage.

The only time I've appealed was when I genuinely believed that the mod, and whoever reported, misunderstood my post.

It did get overturned, so all good.

Kai_Laguna posted...

Still fucked up because the argument against it is the same crap used to oppose gay marriage.

you were not warned , or higher though?

Smallville posted...

you were not warned , or higher though?

I was warned.

wow
maybe i should start contesting
i copped a 60 day purg for quoting a GI Joe PSA and incest defender got a warn
sad times d'toast

Only when I get modded for defending LGBTQ issues since it's pretty obvious they'll never double down on it

Far as I remember haven't been modded before. But speaking to the future, if I'm modded there's little point to appealing it.

There's only 5% chance I'll bother appealing, as I know it'll be a fruitless effort.

Almost always for warnings (unless it's like, I was drunk or something and posted a clear violation); only if it's pretty clearly wrong for NKLs.

I've also had a very high overturn rate lately. I think I've had one moderation, an NKL, that got upheld in the last 6 months. Even that one, I've had others that were basically the same thing overturned, so must've just been bad luck with who was online at the time.

Trumble posted...

Almost always for warnings (unless it's like, I was drunk or something and posted a clear violation); only if it's pretty clearly wrong for NKLs.

I've also had a very high overturn rate lately. I think I've had one moderation, an NKL, that got upheld in the last 6 months. Even that one, I've had others that were basically the same thing overturned, so must've just been bad luck with who was online at the time.

Like what is your success rate though?

ArsGoetia posted...

wow
maybe i should start contesting
i copped a 60 day purg for quoting a GI Joe PSA and incest defender got a warn
sad times d'toast

What was in gi joe psa? Just you saying that it makes no sense it must be more to it., ...right?

I've rarely gotten the option to appeal.

Smallville posted...

What was in gi joe psa? Just you saying that it makes no sense it must be more to it., ...right?

someone said
"you sure bout that?"
and i said
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysbbNHccY04

LeoRavus posted...

I've rarely gotten the option to appeal.

Why can't you?

Smallville posted...

Why can't you?

I dunno. Last time I got the option was for a deleted thread about weed cultivation that was legalized in my state last year.

should always contest everything.

LeoRavus posted...

I dunno. Last time I got the option was for a deleted thread about weed cultivation that was legalized in my state last year.

So weed talk of all kind is now allowed? How about really hard drugs?

kingdrake2 posted...

should always contest everything.

Why though?

Kai_Laguna posted...

Still fucked up because the argument against [incest] is the same crap used to oppose gay marriage.

Only the arguments from the sorts who are liable to be (mentally or physically) waving around a tome or cross as they make it.

The actual logical argument against it is simply because it can result in a child, and children born from nuclear siblings are more likely to have negative effects from inbreeding.

The concerns of a gay couple having children made from themselves is not an issue since the biology for that requires opposites and not alikes. And even if a gay couple were to undergo some kind of procedure or stem cell shenanigans to allow them to have their own kid, the worry of inbreeding defects would not be a problem for their kid.

Sephiroth_C_Ryu posted...

Only the arguments from the sorts who are liable to be (mentally or physically) waving around a tome or cross as they make it.

The actual logical argument against it is simply because it can result in a child, and children born from nuclear siblings are more likely to have negative effects from inbreeding.

The concerns of a gay couple having children made from themselves is not an issue since the biology for that requires opposites and not alikes. And even if a gay couple were to undergo some kind of procedure or stem cell shenanigans to allow them to have their own kid, the worry of inbreeding defects would not be a problem for their kid.

The main issue from inbreeding is an increase risk of autism, which is already an ever increasing risk for strangers. If the health of the child argument was valid, you would need to apply it to all people wishing to reproduce because the populace as a who are at ever increasing risk of carrying a disorder they could pass in to descendants.

Kai_Laguna posted...

The main issue from inbreeding is an increase risk of autism, which is already an ever increasing risk for strangers. If the health of the child argument was valid, you would need to apply it to all people wishing to reproduce because the populace as a who are at ever increasing risk of carrying a disorder they could pass in to descendants.

I have read a little in this as well. At least one scientific article which said most people overestimate the damaging effects inbreeding can cause. May be greatly overexaggerate it based on scientific tests that have been done on this

No because I know it will be modded before I even post it. Especially if it's about Trump

Bigpapaplut posted...

No because I know it will be modded before I even post it. Especially if it's about Trump

You are like very critical of trump usually?

Smallville posted...

I have read a little in this as well. At least one scientific article which said most people overestimate the damaging effects inbreeding can cause. May be greatly overexaggerate it based on scientific tests that have been done on this

Yea, most stuff concerning inbreeding either come from historic royalty like the pharoahs and various european royalty that did it for hundreds of years and from pop culture like The Hills Have Eyes.
Obviously if you have a hireditary condition you probably don't want to go around baby making with your immediate family, but otherwise the risk is relatively minor and by the time you reach cousins the issue is basically at the same level as a stranger.

Only once when I got warned which I won.
Lesser moderations I just roll my eyes and move on.

20 years ago I got a moderation overturned because I told the moderator I would give him/her a cookie.

Things were so much chiller back then.

Smallville posted...

You are like very critical of trump usually?

Tad worse than just very critical

Smallville posted...

Like what is your success rate though?

Every warning I've had in the last 6 months or so, and maybe about 50% of the NKLs I've appealed, have been overturned.

And yes, I wouldn't believe it either if someone else had said they had that kind of result.

I also had two overturns on this account prior to that (quite a low rate compared to total appeals for me back then), which was already more than the one entire overturn I'd had since 2004ish but prior to this account.

Trumble posted...

Every warning I've had in the last 6 months or so, and maybe about 50% of the NKLs I've appealed, have been overturned.

And yes, I wouldn't believe it either if someone else had said they had that kind of result.

I also had two overturns on this account prior to that (quite a low rate compared to total appeals for me back then), which was already more than the one entire overturn I'd had since 2004ish but prior to this account.

but you've had many you were sure were wrong but they would not overturn? you get modded often, like very few weeks or something?

Geiki_Ganger posted...

20 years ago I got a moderation overturned because I told the moderator I would give him/her a cookie.

Things were so much chiller back then.

you said give him a cookie? So it was like completely unwarranted at all right?

LeoRavus posted...

I've rarely gotten the option to appeal.

Same. I haven't had the ability to appeal for about 2 years.

The last time I got modded was a 6 month suspension for calling someone an "illiterate clown." I took it to dtoast and he overturned that bullshit. I also asked him why I couldn't appeal. He said he'd look into it. Two weeks later I followed up with him and he said he hadn't had time to investigate yet. Never did hear back so idk what the deal is.

Smallville posted...

but you've had many you were sure were wrong but they would not overturn? you get modded often, like very few weeks or something?

I don't get modded that often, but it does tend to come in waves rather than the odd isolated one. Usually get a wave every 2 months or so.

Of course I've had ones I thought were wrong; I wouldn't bother appealing otherwise. Problem is, some of the rules are so vague, and moderators so prone to injecting their own assumptions about anything you don't explicitly spell out, that it's still generally a bit of a crapshoot. Many are likely valid based on hidden details of what exactly the rules cover, if paired with the assumptions the mods have made; but they often won't tell you these details or assumptions and will almost never believe you if you try to correct the assumptions, even if you can point to other posts that show the assumptions are wrong.

The only moderation I've ever had that was upheld all the way yet I can objectively, 100% say for sure was wrong, was a moderation for censor bypass when I didn't have any banned words (incorrectly censored or otherwise) in the post but was replying to a topic with a bypass in the title. The original mod's response suggested they thought I made the topic (and thus wrote the title) but no fucking clue how it got upheld by admin. This was way back in the CJayC days.

An "appeal" system with any sort of forum (not just this one) is always a complete waste of time. You're just yelling into a void.

TheOtherMike posted...

Same. I haven't had the ability to appeal for about 2 years.

The last time I got modded was a 6 month suspension for calling someone an "illiterate clown." I took it to dtoast and he overturned that bullshit. I also asked him why I couldn't appeal. He said he'd look into it. Two weeks later I followed up with him and he said he hadn't had time to investigate yet. Never did hear back so idk what the deal is.

why did they take away your appeal ability? send the admin another pm maybe?

Trumble posted...

I don't get modded that often, but it does tend to come in waves rather than the odd isolated one. Usually get a wave every 2 months or so.

Of course I've had ones I thought were wrong; I wouldn't bother appealing otherwise. Problem is, some of the rules are so vague, and moderators so prone to injecting their own assumptions about anything you don't explicitly spell out, that it's still generally a bit of a crapshoot. Many are likely valid based on hidden details of what exactly the rules cover, if paired with the assumptions the mods have made; but they often won't tell you these details or assumptions and will almost never believe you if you try to correct the assumptions, even if you can point to other posts that show the assumptions are wrong.

The only moderation I've ever had that was upheld all the way yet I can objectively, 100% say for sure was wrong, was a moderation for censor bypass when I didn't have any banned words (incorrectly censored or otherwise) in the post but was replying to a topic with a bypass in the title. The original mod's response suggested they thought I made the topic (and thus wrote the title) but no fucking clue how it got upheld by admin. This was way back in the CJayC days.

yeah like your first paragraph or the 2nd , i think that stuff easily most frequently happens under the offensive category though

Never. Waste of time. I don't even look at them. I see the notice, hit the mark as read and move on. What the fuck do I care what they think.

GenXer posted...

Never. Waste of time. I don't even look at them. I see the notice, hit the mark as read and move on. What the fuck do I care what they think.

i've heard many users do what you do. Do you at least try to greatly avoid getting modded though, even if you don't read them

Smallville posted...

yeah like your first paragraph or the 2nd , i think that stuff easily most frequently happens under the offensive category though

Offensive or Trolling. It's pretty much 50/50 what you'll get when you have a clear history, but once you have one on your history they'll almost always hit you with the same one going forward. To the point that I've had one labelled as Trolling but with a mod comment explaining why it's "offensive" with no reference at all to trolling. (That one got overturned, by the way.) And another that was moderated as "offensive" but the mod note claimed it was because the post was misinformation (which it would have been if it weren't blatantly obvious satire).

I suspect "abusive" likely gets used in a similar way now that it's replaced the more concrete "flaming", but I haven't seen that myself. The only moderation I've had under that one got overturned, so I never got to see if all further ones would get labelled under it or not.

Yes. I usually provide sources for what's being moderated. For the most part there was a rogue mod(s) that'd get pissed when I'd call Republicans on their bullshit.

Trumble posted...

Offensive or Trolling. It's pretty much 50/50 what you'll get when you have a clear history, but once you have one on your history they'll almost always hit you with the same one going forward. To the point that I've had one labelled as Trolling but with a mod comment explaining why it's "offensive" with no reference at all to trolling. (That one got overturned, by the way.) And another that was moderated as "offensive" but the mod note claimed it was because the post was misinformation (which it would have been if it weren't blatantly obvious satire).

do you think they are much tougher on offensive though? So you got like one or two more before the other one had fallen off, in a month? you have an alt?

ClayGuida posted...

Yes. I usually provide sources for what's being moderated. For the most part there was a rogue mod(s) that'd get pissed when I'd call Republicans on their bullshit.

were most of those usually overturned though?

Smallville posted...

were most of those usually overturned though?

Only a handful and that was after a long appeal, like where the topic I was modded in was 1 day from being purged.