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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 9:25:35 AM
#51:


Obellisk posted...
can someone repost fds claims spreadsheet.

please and thank you.

I just want to rewrap my brain around a few things before I start pointing fingers in a tinfoil hat kind of way

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/forum/f/fc1a0391.jpg

All you had to do was ask. I'm on mobile though so my screenshots will look different atm

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wallmasterz
02/13/24 9:28:04 AM
#52:


changmas posted...
this is a strange post

No its not. I dont understand why Lea would choose to immediately vote someone shes given town credit to through the game, if she could just scan me.

the only explanation that makes sense is even if Im fat Tony, which I am, she still thinks Im not town. Instead when asked she said she thinks Im capable of lying about my
flavor. Okay so she thinks I lied about being fat Tony but would rather mislynch me than scan me. That doesnt add up to me at all.

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Enchantress
02/13/24 9:30:27 AM
#53:


It doesn't add up that you're so bothered by a vote. I'm trying to figure out who to scan instead of just tickling my fancy for 48 hours, and you're acting like it's certain death.
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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 9:32:21 AM
#54:


I still think Ben is the most likely vanilla to be lying >_>

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wallmasterz
02/13/24 9:33:50 AM
#55:


Obellisk posted...
what changed from last night to this moment

Did I say I no longer think youre town? I asked what you think of the game since youre not doing anything. I have seen you do this before as town, though I cant remember the exact game. I am asking for you to play more.

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Enchantress
02/13/24 9:33:53 AM
#56:


I wanted Wallz to respond better so I could post this and vote someone else

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htaeD
02/13/24 9:36:51 AM
#57:


changmas posted...
Death with valentines day coming very soon would you like to be a sweetheart for me and read back through FDs posts to find where he already wrote out his claim

<3


I would, but my job supervisor is visiting right now.

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wallmasterz
02/13/24 9:37:22 AM
#58:


Enchantress posted...
It doesn't add up that you're so bothered by a vote. I'm trying to figure out who to scan instead of just tickling my fancy for 48 hours, and you're acting like it's certain death.

I am not bothered by a vote. Im trying to understand what I see as inconsistency.

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Enchantress
02/13/24 9:42:18 AM
#59:


wallmasterz posted...
I am not bothered by a vote. Im trying to understand what I see as inconsistency.

It's hard to wrap my head around genuinely being confused by a day one opinion being different than a day four opinion, even if I wasn't the most mercurial player on the board.
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wallmasterz
02/13/24 9:46:20 AM
#60:


Its not a difference in opinion its the lack of reasons besides Kirby dying. I at least acknowledge and respect the fact you are forming opinions, voicing them and they are evolving, which is more than some people are doing. It was just a big leap from my POV and i dont feel bad for being curious about why.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:05:04 AM
#62:


That's still WIFOM because doing something in a way 'scum would never do' is a good way to try to prove your lasting innocence.

I also think the assumption going into day 2 was that we got lucky with the ctes train and that you and corrik were both probably town. Not sure a theoretical scum wallz can get you lynched there short of a full on lie/gambit.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:14:26 AM
#63:


tbh i've been wavering back and forth on which way this swings me on wallz. is his role legitimately too weak to be real? single night track when a huge majority of players can't move at night

can't move at night
lopen
isquen
mzero

lea
chang
death
ulti
sbell
ben

FD (claim vanilla already)

can move
ctes
corrik
Scum #3
Scum #4

red

JC (i presume? could be a day action though)

and red and JC might not even be moving night 1, (1 use vig/poisoner(??)),

as well as up to one scum probably doesn't move because it looks like kirby got killed with the EK (or that's wallz himself hehe)

Which means the role as he claimed (and almost anyone with that role is gonna send it night 1) can hit 3 or 4/16 players and all of them are scum? in many ways it's just another cop (with the downside of not knowing until now-ish that town more or less can't move at night).


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changmas
02/13/24 10:16:06 AM
#64:


but also like why is he not more annoyed as the vanilla and day action claims keep coming in and this info is revealed?

Id be kind of annoyed if it turned out my role was very likely to accomplish absolutely nothing

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Enchantress
02/13/24 10:21:59 AM
#65:


It's tough to make Chang a confirmed town immortal king when he's just so gosh darn townie already
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changmas
02/13/24 10:24:54 AM
#66:


the flip side is that an unlimited tracker is probably too powerful so it would make sense for balance to be limited (or not included !)

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:30:47 AM
#67:


If the belief that godfather is immune to ALL ties of scanning is correct then a single use track serves as potential counterplay. But that's a real stab in the dark and godfather would never take action unless absolutely necessary anyways.

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Enchantress
02/13/24 10:36:26 AM
#68:


In that situation the godfather would probably, I dunno, claim a role that is useless to track and beg to be scanned
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changmas
02/13/24 10:38:12 AM
#69:


it's theoretically possible godfather moves night 1 in this setup, assuming that you can't use a role action and deliver the factional kill at the same time:

godfather
janitor + extra kill
vanillizer
role cop

(although from the looks of it, it seems the janitor person delivered the kill n1 because they didn't clean the kill until n2)

however, including a 1-use track as potential counterplay to godfather is not a suggestion that makes sense at all. even if you make a setup that forces godfather to move on night 1 that's still a 1/14 chance to track the right person lol

kind of swingy to have like 1.3ish hits out of 14 that massively benefit town, 1.7ish hits that do almost nothing and 11 hits that actually do nothing lol

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changmas
02/13/24 10:39:15 AM
#70:


ok that's a little excessive, maybe 1 hit does something mild and 0.7 do almost nothing

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wallmasterz
02/13/24 10:39:53 AM
#71:


I dont feel good about the direction this is taking everyone.

I wasnt straightforward about my role. This is exactly how it works. I neighbor someone, and from that point forward, I track them until one of us dies (or the game ends). If whoever I am tracking dies, I get to pick someone else to track discretely, with no mandatory neighbor. I really didnt want to reveal any of that info, but if theres this much speculation on my role, what it means for game balance etc. I dont want town to be working with wrong information.

Ulti has not moved a single night so far.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:40:03 AM
#72:


and that's contingent on the vanillizer moving night 1 which is not even a given!

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Obellisk
02/13/24 10:40:15 AM
#73:


wallmasterz posted...
Did I say I no longer think youre town? I asked what you think of the game since youre not doing anything. I have seen you do this before as town, though I cant remember the exact game. I am asking for you to play more.


cool your jets, wall boy. I didn't elude to your opinions on me whatsoever.

I mean what changed from last night to right now that my opinions or feelings would have changed?

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changmas
02/13/24 10:40:28 AM
#74:


wallmasterz posted...
I dont feel good about the direction this is taking everyone.

I wasnt straightforward about my role. This is exactly how it works. I neighbor someone, and from that point forward, I track them until one of us dies (or the game ends). If whoever I am tracking dies, I get to pick someone else to track discretely, with no mandatory neighbor. I really didnt want to reveal any of that info, but if theres this much speculation on my role, what it means for game balance etc. I dont want town to be working with wrong information.

Ulti has not moved a single night so far.

thank you

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Obellisk
02/13/24 10:41:05 AM
#75:


is Vabillizer just a renamed roleblocker?

if you vanilla them for the night then you block their power

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:42:30 AM
#76:


Right that's exactly my point. I'm agreeing with your take that tracker is an odd inclusion.

Throw in the fact that wallz declared he was not a Simpson prior to the split being known.

Or the fact that he made a point to say town actions would be wasted on Ulti... And then wasted his town action on Ulti.

But if he's begging to be scanned then that implies he will show up as Fat Tony, which is hard to reconcile with everything else.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:42:44 AM
#77:


i believe vanillizer is a one use power that turns one person into a vanilla for the rest of the game

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Enchantress
02/13/24 10:42:51 AM
#78:


Mmm, at least it's a real role claim now. Probably just too many vanillas. And Wallz cracks me so consistently, up.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:43:31 AM
#79:


i'll accept that explanation. it wasn't exactly what i had in mind when i said on day 2 when i agreed with corrik that wallz was likely withholding info but i wasn't bothered by it, but it works for me

im good with wallz i think that answers most of the questions i had

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:43:52 AM
#80:


Obellisk posted...
is Vabillizer just a renamed roleblocker?

if you vanilla them for the night then you block their power

as a Vanillaizer convincing 1 person throughout the game to no longer take any actions.

As described the ability would have been permanent on whoever it was used on.

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Obellisk
02/13/24 10:46:21 AM
#81:


thank you for clarifying.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:46:33 AM
#82:


now i think both remaining scum are likely claiming vanilla

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Enchantress
02/13/24 10:48:12 AM
#83:


It really would be delightful if FD and JC would claim, but in the meantime I'm most suspicious of Ben and Sbell
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changmas
02/13/24 10:48:12 AM
#84:


PoE: Death, FD, SBell, Ben

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htaeD
02/13/24 10:48:29 AM
#85:


Corrik did have that odd insistence that wallz was lying for some reason

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:48:46 AM
#86:


I would also love it if JC would claim with me or agree to claim after me. Especially if he can ACTUALLY self confirm

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Chaeix
02/13/24 10:49:37 AM
#87:


fd youre so silly

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Chaeix
02/13/24 10:50:07 AM
#88:


oh wait sorry

fd claim

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changmas
02/13/24 10:50:36 AM
#89:


htaeD posted...
Corrik did have that odd insistence that wallz was lying for some reason

i agreed with him! it felt too weak, even at the time. i thought he would be able to neighborize + track more than once (or every night) but was pretending he was out of power so he doesn't get targeted. in retrospect with knowledge about setup that version is too strong, so the real one is somewhere in the middle.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:51:18 AM
#90:


Chaeix posted...
oh wait sorry

fd claim

You promise to follow suit?

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wallmasterz
02/13/24 10:51:33 AM
#91:


Im sorry for the time that got wasted around my partial claim. I didnt really trust ulti yet. I thought if he was scum with a night action, there was a chance he was trying to bait motion detector, track etc. early in the game in hopes of people going usual ulti and letting him use his ability on a following night.

After he claimed vanilla, rather than power, I didnt want him to have a second thought about moving. And I figured if I claimed one time track in a seemingly low power game, if ulti was scum he might figure that was the only tracking town got.

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changmas
02/13/24 10:52:54 AM
#92:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
You promise to follow suit?

Chaeix posted...
fd youre so silly


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Chaeix
02/13/24 10:53:12 AM
#93:


I like wallz claimed role a bit better now and I am currently evaluating whether it makes more or less sense for him to target Ulti as his only choice to track for the rest of the game?

itd be a pretty easy thing for scum to append to his claim in a way that makes it more believable though

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Chaeix
02/13/24 10:53:37 AM
#94:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
You promise to follow suit?
fd claim

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:56:13 AM
#95:


I pressed wallz at the beginning of day 3 and got this response btw. The role as described didn't feel right. Even still I'm not 100% convinced by the clarification, and feel like he could have given it to us yesterday when I pressed:

Forceful_Dragon posted...
Wallz: Was your neighbor+track from n1 actually your ONLY action available?

wallmasterz posted...
Ah sorry FD. Yes my role is one-time neighbor and track, thats all there is to it.

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:56:34 AM
#96:


Chaeix posted...
fd claim

YOU have the power to end this stalemate and you are choosing not to.

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Chaeix
02/13/24 10:57:28 AM
#97:


fd claim

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changmas
02/13/24 10:58:01 AM
#98:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
I pressed wallz at the beginning of day 3 and got this response btw. The role as described didn't feel right. Even still I'm not 100% convinced by the clarification, and feel like he could have given it to us yesterday when I pressed:

Forceful_Dragon posted...

wallmasterz posted...

100% within his town game to do this tho

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Forceful_Dragon
02/13/24 10:58:17 AM
#99:


Forceful_Dragon posted...
You promise to follow suit?


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changmas
02/13/24 10:58:43 AM
#100:


also as we are seeing play out now it doesn't seem like you're carrying a lot of weight in extracting claims from folks

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