Current Events > What reason is there to not support the border bill?

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More agents, better security, more judges to decide cases, meaning a faster process so it doesn't back up, leaving millions sitting outside or inside, waiting their case.

I'm unsure how this is a bad thing for either side.

It's an election year and something that helps Biden and hurts your fearmongering bullshit designed to get poor Republicans to vote for you is not good.

"It would make Biden look good just like the tax bill."
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/gop-senator-doesnt-want-pass-tax-bill-make-biden-look-good-rcna136649

Spite from House Republicans taking orders from their Orange Overlord.

they wouldnt pass it ever even in a non election year cuz then they can hit dems with the wide open borders all the time

CADE_FOSTER posted...

they wouldnt pass it ever even in a non election year cuz then they can hit dems with the wide open borders all the time

Hard to make that case when there's a clear bipartisan bill sitting in the House right now, that would get passed if brought to the floor.

but trump said no so it isnt happening

ClayGuida posted...

Hard to make that case when there's a clear bipartisan bill sitting in the House right now, that would get passed if brought to the floor.

That's what GOP control of most of the mainstream media is for -- to bury that story and others like it.

Election Year and Repubs have basically done nothing but catch L's looking like a bunch of assholes getting mad about the Speaker and trying to make something out of Hunter Biden.

So they don't want to give Democrats a policy win because that's all they really care about.

Political grandstanding

Only reason is partisanship. Some in the GOP have openly admitted that the bill is bad for them to run on. They were apparently prepared to fearmonger on immigration right up to the election, and beyond.

if only dems ran on womans rights and the evil anti abortion states

Because using the border as an issue to attack Biden on is more beneficial to Republican politicians than actually doing anything about it, even when they come out and admit that's what they're doing.

CADE_FOSTER posted...

if only dems ran on womans rights and the evil anti abortion states

They do. VP Harris has been all around the country running on that. She was just in SC this weekend, NH the week prior, and so on.

it should be every where in every state 24/7

CADE_FOSTER posted...

it should be every where in every state 24/7

Impossible to do because the right wing propaganda machine has no issues with running the same tired stories 24/7, while more corporate media likes to focus on things more recent.

States overturning the will of the people and putting women through hell only gains traction for a few moments, while Hunter's Laptop and Burisma have been ran non stop for about a decade now.

There's no Fox for the left.

When you have an entire party that doesn't know how to govern, all they have left is fear-mongering.
Totally open borders with millions of murderers, drug dealers, and rapists flooding into our country daily makes for a great boogeyman.

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1754660764340637998

Imagine a propaganda machine like this for the left.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-threaten-block-border-security-immigration-bill-rcna137389

Look at that. Not wanting to be seen as deficient in their craven loyalty to Pigfucker Trump, Senate Republicans are killing their own deal before the House Republicans can do that.

ClayGuida posted...

Hard to make that case when there's a clear bipartisan bill sitting in the House right now, that would get passed if brought to the floor.

You aren't this naive. You know how the 'facts not feelings' party actually is.

EPR-radar posted...

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/senate-republicans-threaten-block-border-security-immigration-bill-rcna137389

Look at that. Not wanting to be seen as deficient in their craven loyalty to Pigfucker Trump, Senate Republicans are killing their own deal before the House Republicans can do that.

Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., the chief Democratic negotiator, called the Republicans skittishness about their own agreement embarrassing.

You told us you wanted a bipartisan border fix. You appointed the Republican negotiator. WE GOT A DEAL, he wrote on X. Stop the drama do you want to fix the border or do you want to keep the border chaotic to help Trump? Just decide pls.

Narrator: Chaos was their only strategy.

Not wanting my vegetables and fruit to cost $20/pound

Because Fuck! YOU!

Basically.

border bill looks to be dead

Schumer says Democrats are furious at collapse of border deal
From CNN's Clare Foran and Manu Raju
Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer and top Senate Democrats on Tuesday expressed intense anger at Republicans for abandoning the bipartisan border deal after demanding that border security be packaged together with Ukraine aid, accusing them of bowing to pressure from Donald Trump.
The New York Democrat accused GOP leader Mitch McConnell and the GOP conference of a 180-degree reversal and of quaking at the knees at the fear of Donald Trump.
In our caucus room today, there was a lot of anger, frustration, deep disappointment in our Republican colleagues, he added.
Sen. Chris Murphy of Connecticut, the top Democratic negotiator for the deal, blasted Republicans. I know that its easy to lose your sense of outrage about politics, he said, but what has happened here over the last four months is outrageous, adding that Republicans now oppose the very bill that they begged us to craft.
Sen. Jeanne Shaheen, a New Hampshire Democrat, spoke about deaths from fentanyl overdoses in her state, saying, anything that we can do to cut down on the amount of fentanyl thats coming into the United States we ought to be doing, by God. If theyre not willing to do that, then shame on them.
Asked whether the Senate would drop the border provisions and move to pass a package with only the foreign aid if Wednesday's vote on the package fails as is expected, Schumer said, "Stay tuned."
Asked if he has a plan for what will happen in the Senate if DHS Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas is impeached by the Republican-led House on Tuesday night, Schumer would not specify or say if he would move to dismiss.
Lets see what the House first does, he said.

McConnell says border deal won't become law due to GOP disagreement
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told reporters that the immigration and foreign aid package will not become law, due to the Speaker Mike Johnsons opposition and concerns within the Senate GOP conference.
We had a very robust discussion about whether or not this product could ever become law, and its been made pretty clear to us by the speaker that it will not become law, he said.
So I want to congratulate Sen. (James) Lankford on a remarkable job of negotiating with the other side, getting the support of the border council, but it looks to me and to most of our members is that we have no real chance here to make a law, McConnell continued.
McConnell argued that the Senate needs to change course on the national security package and focus on providing foreign aid to Ukraine, Israel and Taiwan.
There are other parts of this supplemental that are extremely important as well: Ukraine, Israel, Taiwan. We still, in my view, ought to tackle the rest of it, because its important. Not that the border isnt important, but we cant get an outcome, McConnell told CNNs Manu Raju. So thats where I think we ought to head, and its up to Sen. Schumer to decide how to repackage this if in fact we dont go on to it.
The Republican leader also defended his handling of the negotiations, saying that he accomplished what members of his conference wanted by proposing serious changes to immigration law, tied to foreign aid.
I followed the instructions of my conference who were insisting that we tackle this in October. I mean, its actually our side that wanted to tackle the border issue. We started it, he said. Obviously, with a Democratic President and a Democratic Senate, our negotiators had to deal with them, and James Lankford, under those situations, did a remarkable job.
Pressed on whether Trumps opposition is to blame for killing the package, McConnell refused to engage.
Ive said repeatedly every month, Im not going to get into comments about the race for the presidency among Republicans, he said.

name_unknown posted...

We had a very robust discussion about whether or not this product could ever become law

Horseshit, Mitch.

The reason is that Trump wants to run on the border. That is all.

American voters have the memory of a goldfish, and will blame Biden for it. Republicans seem to to preying on Americans ignorance and the magic pen waving powers of the president for why they won't support it.

It just might work given a portion of voters do have the memory of a goldfish, and some Democrats and Independents will happily chant the same thing Republicans chant for different reasons.

Schumer needs to bring it to vote anyway.

White House says Biden doesn't need to work with Speaker Johnson to get border deal passed
From CNN's Michelle Shen
White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said Tuesday that President Joe Biden and House Speaker Mike Johnson aren't going to be getting together to talk about the border deal any time soon.
When Jean-Pierre was questioned about Johnson's role in the border bill negotiations, she said there was no need to engage in further negotiation with the speaker.
When asked whether Biden would invite Johnson over to the White House to hash out a deal, Jean-Pierre said, "Hash out what? The agreement is in front of them."
Johnson came out in open opposition to the bill, essentially dooming the bipartisan border deal reached among senators that would have ramped up border security while also sending funding to Ukraine and Israel.
"They're putting politics ahead of getting things done for the American people," Jean-Pierre said.

Because Trump can't bitch about the economy and he wants to make this "his issue" for the election, so he's told Republicans not to negotiate on the issue or give Biden a win, even though they recognize that they'll never get a similar deal if it was inverse (Republicans owning 2/3rds and Dems 1/3).

It's truly disturbing how this party is taking orders from a dude who's not even currently in government and has no real power for anything.

name_unknown posted...

border issue

That was a lie
name_unknown posted...

We started it

More like ended it

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1754995445334487337

It seems that the media is not putting up with Republican bullshit on this one.

Bipartisan border deal and foreign aid package fails to advance in the Senate
From CNNs Clare Foran, Sam Fossum, Ted Barrett and Morgan Rimmer
A procedural vote to advance the bipartisan border security deal and foreign aid package with aid for Ukraine and Israel has failed.
The vote was 49 to 50. At least 60 votes were needed for it to move forward.
Senate Republicans were expected to block it amid opposition from former President Donald Trump and top House Republicans.
Here are some of the notable votes:

• GOP yes votes from Sens. James Lankford, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Mitt Romney
• Democratic no votes from Sens. Bob Menendez, Alex Padilla, Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey
• Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders voted no"
• Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell also voted no"
• Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer voted "no" which allows him to make a procedural maneuver in the future to bring it back up.

ClayGuida posted...

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1754995445334487337

It seems that the media is not putting up with Republican bullshit on this one.

Bout fucking time.

I've even heard clips of Faux News anchors being critical towards House Repubs they're interviewing.

I think the other day Scarborough cut Hawley's mic after calling him out on a lie and Lawley began a bs retort you can see him continuing while muted.

Cause shit bag Republicans dont want anything good to happen while Biden is in office

name_unknown posted...

Bipartisan border deal and foreign aid package fails to advance in the Senate
From CNNs Clare Foran, Sam Fossum, Ted Barrett and Morgan Rimmer
A procedural vote to advance the bipartisan border security deal and foreign aid package with aid for Ukraine and Israel has failed.
The vote was 49 to 50. At least 60 votes were needed for it to move forward.
Senate Republicans were expected to block it amid opposition from former President Donald Trump and top House Republicans.
Here are some of the notable votes:
* GOP yes votes from Sens. James Lankford, Lisa Murkowski, Susan Collins and Mitt Romney
* Democratic no votes from Sens. Bob Menendez, Alex Padilla, Elizabeth Warren and Ed Markey
* Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders voted no"
* Senate GOP leader Mitch McConnell also voted no"
* Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer voted "no" which allows him to make a procedural maneuver in the future to bring it back up.

Can't believe all but 4 Republican Senators voted against a bipartisan border bill.

ClayGuida posted...

Can't believe all but 4 Republican Senators voted against a bipartisan border bill.

It was bipartisan until their king told them to kill it. And oh, so, funny that the guy bitching about them doing that also fell in line.

PeteyParker posted...

It's an election year and something that helps Biden and hurts your fearmongering bullshit designed to get poor Republicans to vote for you is not good.

This.

Republicans specifically said this is exactly it. We need to make sure Republicans know that it's their elected Republican officials responsible for this.